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Waderade
Canada29 Posts
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eggs
1011 Posts
On May 03 2011 02:40 floor exercise wrote: It reminds me of when Artosis and Gentho made a video site to learn BW where you bought the lessons. It's basically the model for this SPG thing from what I can tell. The difference was people pretty much just laughed that thing off entirely. The community balked at the idea of paying $2.99 to learn how to use lurker ling vs T or whatever their lessons were. BW was by far the more difficult to learn game, but everyone who wanted to learn it used the freely available resources. Whereas in SC2 the whole coaching thing is just ridiculously large for what they offer. On the one hand I am glad people can make money from the game, but on the other I am really wondering where all these suckers came from yea, this kind of product worked well with WoW arena because the skill cap was incredibly low, and you can basically just copy team comps and target orders and do about 90% as well as the people making the videos. also the WoW playerbase is accustomed to getting milked out of monthly money so a few extra bucks didn't mean anything to them. SC2 still has a pretty high skill cap, and the things that determine a win or loss aren't really teachable without a direct coach. WoW Arena requires about as much coaching as teaching someone a good build order for each of the match-ups. the video tutorial sites did so well because WoW constantly got balance patched and new arena comps came out every few weeks, so people continued subscribing. with SC2, there are way too many easily accessible, free resources to get a Bronze player to Platinum, and a Diamond player to Masters. even for people who want to improve very quickly via direct coaching, once they're at a skill level they're happy with the game doesn't change drastically to require them to continually pay for coaching. | ||
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Thesidu
Sweden290 Posts
On May 07 2011 17:30 eggs wrote: yea, this kind of product worked well with WoW arena because the skill cap was incredibly low, and you can basically just copy team comps and target orders and do about 90% as well as the people making the videos. . lol | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On May 07 2011 17:30 eggs wrote: yea, this kind of product worked well with WoW arena because the skill cap was incredibly low, and you can basically just copy team comps and target orders and do about 90% as well as the people making the videos. also the WoW playerbase is accustomed to getting milked out of monthly money so a few extra bucks didn't mean anything to them. SC2 still has a pretty high skill cap, and the things that determine a win or loss aren't really teachable without a direct coach. WoW Arena requires about as much coaching as teaching someone a good build order for each of the match-ups. the video tutorial sites did so well because WoW constantly got balance patched and new arena comps came out every few weeks, so people continued subscribing. with SC2, there are way too many easily accessible, free resources to get a Bronze player to Platinum, and a Diamond player to Masters. even for people who want to improve very quickly via direct coaching, once they're at a skill level they're happy with the game doesn't change drastically to require them to continually pay for coaching. My counter to you would be ... why do people pay for poker training videos? Even really good poker players do this, and all my friends who have started poker told me that paying for good poker training videos was the best thing they could have done to start. I guess this doesn't prove anything per se -- but it certainly speaks to the potential value of a product like this. If people didn't think there was value in this, there wouldn't be so many iterations of it popping up everywhere (Nerdstomper, hotkeyit, SPG, etc)... The question is whether the market will support this model for an extended period of time, or if the game itself is conducive for it. As a former competitive player and someone deeply involved in the community and competitive scene, I'd answer yes to both questions. | ||
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derive
France31 Posts
SC2 still has a pretty high skill cap, and the things that determine a win or loss aren't really teachable without a direct coach I agree with most of your post, but the important thing is that the sentence I quoted is true only after a certain level of skill. It's hard to say whether it is gold/plat or whatever, but the point is that before this cap, 90% of the mistakes are the same. When you are gold there's no real need to go into deep strategies/timings, the most important thing is actually to have a solid macro and a decent scouting. And i don't mean knowing the exact answer depending on what you scout, just knowing "ok it's an allin i need to produce stuff/prepare detection" or "ok no allin i can macro more". A lot of people also said that before diamond or something, buying coach from a pro is probably meaningless. Just practicing fundamentals/macro is a lot better. Now why not just, as you said, use the resources available on the net? I think that most player in 'lower' leagues don't really want to invest a lot of time into finding those resources. Which is understandable if they don't have that much time to even practice. However imagine a website were 'big names', that most players know anyway, would propose some "starter videos"? It would probably be cheaper than coaching, easier to set up/access/review (Yes, you can record a coaching session and review it, but again, time consuming for most people). Not to mention the fact that not everybody is confident enough with their english (especially talked), for a live thing. "You don't really know were to start?" (not that much people know about TL in 'lower' leagues, especially in non-english speaking countries) "You don't have time to look for resources?" "You want to play Zerg? " "Then just buy a starter video from IdrA and you're good to go, everything you need to know!" I definitely see this formula being successful. GM/Master/diamond players are actually a minority, even if it don't always seems so on TL  .I do think however that the interest would be limited for master players, you're right on that (even if some specific build/counter could be interesting to develop in videos). | ||
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
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ZaplinG
United States3818 Posts
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ZaplinG
United States3818 Posts
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overshard
United States45 Posts
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whiterabbit
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On May 08 2011 07:20 overshard wrote: I haven't been impressed with anyone in six pool gaming in tournaments recently. I really hope this helps them with their game, I don't see much in it for EG other than a few really good terrans to add to their practice partners. I really wanna see Artosis do well but he has been lacking in the APM department from what I've seen, maybe he has gotten a new hotkey setup? SeleCT got 3rd at MLG Dallas 2011 and Gadget Show UK. SjoW won The Gathering. IdrA won IPL Season 1, iNcontroL got 4th at MLG Dallas. We have another big announcement coming next week that should also make people pretty excited ! | ||
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