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Six Pool Gaming and Evil Geniuses join forces for SC2 Training!
LAS VEGAS, Nevada, April 30th, 2011 – Six Pool Gaming (SPG) can today reveal that a partnership deal with Evil Geniuses (Team EG) has been signed. Team EG members IdrA and iNcontroL will now take their place amongst Six Pool Gaming’s illustrious band of Starcraft 2 (SC2) instructors.
Team EG is a premier professional gaming team and a world leader in eSports and Scott Smith, CEO of Team EG, is excited by the opportunity of working with Six Pool Gaming.
"Pro players are the relentless and passionate force which drives e-sports. Without their insight, personality, and skill, e-sports would simply not be where it is today. We're excited to partner with Six Pool Gaming because they are driven by the very same belief. In 2011, we look forward to assisting their growth within e-sports by supporting their services with our list of world-class players." – Scott Smith
"We are very excited to be working with Evil Geniuses, one of the leading Starcraft 2 teams," said Jason Somerville, CEO of Six Pool Gaming. "We feel strongly that our alliance with EG as well as the addition of IdrA and iNcontroL to Six Pool Gaming's roster will be invaluable in the pursuit of our goal of providing top-tier Starcraft 2 training content to our members."
Six Pool Gaming will continue to deliver on our promise to provide the SC2 community with access to the finest players in the world. We will fuse their talent with the latest web based training technology, enabling enthusiastic SC2 gamers everywhere the opportunity to rapidly develop their own skills. Our current instructor roster now includes; SeleCT (Team Dignitas), SjoW (Team Dignitas), Gretorp (Fnatic), Ret (Team Liquid), iNcontroL (Team EG), and IdrA (Team EG).
With plenty of exciting announcements to come, be sure to keep an eye on our homepage and subscribe to our Facebook and Twitter feeds. Six Pool Gaming will be going live in May and you won’t want to miss a thing!
http://www.sixpoolgaming.com/
http://www.facebook.com/SixPoolGaming
http://twitter.com/sixpoolgaming
http://www.youtube.com/sixpoolgaming
About Six Pool Gaming:
Six Pool Gaming (SPG) is dedicated to providing a service to the vast numbers of Starcraft 2 gamers across the world who wish to develop their skills. We have recruited an extensive range of elite professional gamers and designed specialized online training tools so that people of various abilities can achieve their online gaming ambitions.
About Team Evil Geniuses:
Founded in 1999, Evil Geniuses (Team EG) is North America’s premier professional gaming team and one of the world’s top eSports brands. With the finest gaming talent in both North America and the World, EG’s players have brought championship trophies home from every major tournament circuit in pro gaming, including the CPL, ESWC, ESL/IEM, MLG and WCG. Home to internationally renowned teams and players such as Isaac “Azael” Cummings-Bentley, Greg “IdrA” Fields, Jordan “n0thing” Gilbert, Geoff “iNcontroL” Robinson, and Justin “JWong” Wong, EG’s professional gamers focus on such titles as Counter-Strike, Quake, StarCraft II, Super Street Fighter 4, Marvel vs. Capcom 3, and World of Warcraft.
Help Six Pool Gaming get [b]4,000 Facebook followers before our web launch and automatically be entered to win an iPad2. Details attached to video.
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Seems like a cool idea 
But there isn't any content yet: is there?
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Wow, Six Pool just hit big-time interest for me O:
Too bad most of the EG members are like... ALWAYS FULL
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wow this is a pretty big announcement. anything involving idra and incrontrol will get a lot of credit, let alone both of them.
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On May 01 2011 09:13 Froadac wrote:Seems like a cool idea But there isn't any content yet: is there?
We haven't launched just yet, but within the next month you will see some great stuff  !
Don't forget about our promo where you can get a chance to win an autographed iPad2 !! Just like us on facebook.
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On May 01 2011 09:23 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 09:13 Froadac wrote:Seems like a cool idea But there isn't any content yet: is there? We haven't launched just yet, but within the next month you will see some great stuff ! Don't forget about our promo where you can get a chance to win an autographed iPad2 !! Just like us on facebook.
Thanks for clarifying oh eSports organizer of greatness.
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Good stuff tyty.
Will 7 pooling also be taught?
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Experience of incontrol + idra is huge, this is awesome. I love seeing potentially profitable businesses crop up around sc2 cause its a sign that it will last for a long time.
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So does that mean GosuGuide and GosuCoaching are now discontinued by Incontrol or will he keep doing work with them?
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it's probably best you just get drunk and make up those answers on your stream brent.
Wouldn't want to miss another opportunity to sell out your friends for some views
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On May 01 2011 11:51 iNcontroL wrote:
it's probably best you just get drunk and make up those answers on your stream brent.
Wouldn't want to miss another opportunity to sell out your friends for some views
Not sure which friends I had that I sold out. Geoff. As far as I know, the ones that I'm still friends with, are still friends.
I mean, you can totally tell I'm out making loads of cash and tons of videos now a days because I'm totally trying to get back into the whole commentating thing. Heck, the whole reason I made that video was cause I got paid off and I'm living in Cuba now, living the high life. I totally ended your career so I'm totally on the up and up Right?
Don't even pretend to get mad, because I know you're not. =) So I'll assume you'll continue working with GosuGuide and GosuCoaching?
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So what does this mean for gosucoaching? Didn't you guys used to coach on there?
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Australia8532 Posts
This is awesome news for SPG they have some awesome names on their lineup
I am just curious - is there any groundbreaking news that Xeris is not a part of? :p
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coaching scene is really turning into something. i wonder if theres going to eventually be any "school vs school" action (in the sense of lets say 6pool students vs gosucoaching students)
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On May 01 2011 12:14 spacenegroes wrote:
So what does this mean for gosucoaching? Didn't you guys used to coach on there?
Well if it isn't the same people maybe they (Russ, whoever else) are putting GosuCoaching to rest to focus on NASL
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I think this is gonna be really cool. Good move guys.
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This looks great but they need ActionJesus on staff to truly live up to their name.
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On May 01 2011 13:24 Horse...falcon wrote:
This looks great but they need ActionJesus on staff to truly live up to their name.
Oh my god this was way funnier than I thought it should be.
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SixPoolGaming and GosuCoaching are totally different. SixPoolGaming == video training. GosuCoaching = physical coaching.
It's like, you would get video training for poker AND get individual poker coaching by a poker player. They're different and not mutually exclusive.
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why do you have to call it SPG? I work for Starwood, this is spinning my brain in circles.
also SPG is a pretty strong brand name already [50 mio. members] isn't that going to get in the way of marketing, even though the two companys have nothing in common?
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This kind of reminds me of the GosuGuide... what became of that ?
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Northern Ireland2557 Posts
On May 01 2011 14:31 T0fuuu wrote:
This kind of reminds me of the GosuGuide... what became of that ?
absolutely nothing afaik
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This seems a lot like hotkeyit.com what exactly is the difference?
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On May 01 2011 14:42 Alizee- wrote:
This seems a lot like hotkeyit.com what exactly is the difference?
Well.. you could get video coaching by amazing players like Ngry, Kowi, and Titan at Hotkeyit or ..
IdrA, SeleCT, SjoW at SixPoolGaming
seems like an ez choice, no?
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Uh no offense but why is something being hyped again before releasing any content? Chill put it pretty well when he said people should not "buy into hype". This announcement would have been better served being released with good content or previews, definitely not learning from the mistakes NASL made even though I realize this is not a league. This is just another announcement for an announcement.
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On May 01 2011 12:06 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 11:51 iNcontroL wrote:
it's probably best you just get drunk and make up those answers on your stream brent.
Wouldn't want to miss another opportunity to sell out your friends for some views Not sure which friends I had that I sold out. Geoff. As far as I know, the ones that I'm still friends with, are still friends. I mean, you can totally tell I'm out making loads of cash and tons of videos now a days because I'm totally trying to get back into the whole commentating thing. Heck, the whole reason I made that video was cause I got paid off and I'm living in Cuba now, living the high life. I totally ended your career so I'm totally on the up and up Right? Don't even pretend to get mad, because I know you're not. =) So I'll assume you'll continue working with GosuGuide and GosuCoaching?
One of these guys pretends to be manner for personal gain, the other is actually manner but doesn't use it for personal gain. I'll let you decide which is which.
Geoff, why reach so hard to create drama in the announcement thread for 6pool? I know you two have a past, but I don't see how that translates to his question or this thread. I suspect that the 6pool guys just want bring people in and not alienate them. Why you always gotta be in the middle of this stuff? : (
On a related note, I found it ironic (in the funny way) that a site built for coaching is named 6pool. I look forward to seeing what the team does with it! No such thing as too much of a good thing, keep it coming.
GLHF fellers.
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sounds really great
but I didn't quite understand what kind of content will come.
Videos with commentary and tips and tutorials, or strategies discussions?
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I hope they can get a top tier Protoss like NaNiwa, Socke or KiWiKaKi.
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man i wonder how much they are paying idra to do this.
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On May 01 2011 12:06 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 11:51 iNcontroL wrote:
it's probably best you just get drunk and make up those answers on your stream brent.
Wouldn't want to miss another opportunity to sell out your friends for some views Not sure which friends I had that I sold out. Geoff. As far as I know, the ones that I'm still friends with, are still friends. I mean, you can totally tell I'm out making loads of cash and tons of videos now a days because I'm totally trying to get back into the whole commentating thing. Heck, the whole reason I made that video was cause I got paid off and I'm living in Cuba now, living the high life. I totally ended your career so I'm totally on the up and up Right? Don't even pretend to get mad, because I know you're not. =) So I'll assume you'll continue working with GosuGuide and GosuCoaching?
I don't pretend to talk for Inc and I understand he's more than capable of replying. That having been said, you don't talk out of school.
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need more toss instructors
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This looks interesting, definitely going to keep track of their content. Too bad they didn't release anything yet, but let's hope for the best
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edit : ok I understood, it's just an announcement, I guess my post is off topic.
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Great news. Can't wait till all this starts :-)
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hmm i always thought Idra was sponsored by apple...
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I doubt we'll be getting any 6pool training videos from idra anytime soon.
But yeah, having incontrol and idra in the roster is a big thing.
Maybe you can post the monthly rates of your membership fee on th OP as well.
Its gonna help people save up now so they can have enough once this thing goes live if ever there is a12 month promo or something.
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On May 01 2011 20:49 Wawa wrote:I doubt we'll be getting any 6pool training videos from idra anytime soon.
To be fair, I think he knows how to 6pool, I just would say he is not very good at executing it.
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On May 01 2011 15:33 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 14:42 Alizee- wrote:
This seems a lot like hotkeyit.com what exactly is the difference? Well.. you could get video coaching by amazing players like Ngry, Kowi, and Titan at Hotkeyit or .. IdrA, SeleCT, SjoW at SixPoolGaming seems like an ez choice, no?
At least we have content and we don't go out of our way to "call out" our competition. But thank you for taking the time to give us your opinion about http://hotkeyit.com =)
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sometimes the lack of professionalism in the e-sports scene really irks me
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Im so looking forward to this :D
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On May 01 2011 15:33 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 14:42 Alizee- wrote:
This seems a lot like hotkeyit.com what exactly is the difference? Well.. you could get video coaching by amazing players like Ngry, Kowi, and Titan at Hotkeyit or .. IdrA, SeleCT, SjoW at SixPoolGaming seems like an ez choice, no?
You pick the least famous names on their team, and then list off the most famous ones on yours? Sounds like you are worried.
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im curious about this whole venture. it seems that its just a rebranding of gosucoaching with some new content avenues being explored. why are you trying to get a new name out into the community when you already have an established brand?
unless there is some behind the scene politics and some people are being ditched??!?!?! *tin foil hat*
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On May 01 2011 15:33 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 14:42 Alizee- wrote:
This seems a lot like hotkeyit.com what exactly is the difference? Well.. you could get video coaching by amazing players like Ngry, Kowi, and Titan at Hotkeyit or .. IdrA, SeleCT, SjoW at SixPoolGaming seems like an ez choice, no?
Wow, you are stupid, calling out a competitor that is aiming for the same goal as you, expanding esports, is, in my view, pathetic, i wont be visiting sixpoolgaming's site any time, because of you.
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On May 01 2011 22:06 Vequeth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 15:33 Xeris wrote:On May 01 2011 14:42 Alizee- wrote:
This seems a lot like hotkeyit.com what exactly is the difference? Well.. you could get video coaching by amazing players like Ngry, Kowi, and Titan at Hotkeyit or .. IdrA, SeleCT, SjoW at SixPoolGaming seems like an ez choice, no? You pick the least famous names on their team, and then list off the most famous ones on yours? Sounds like you are worried.
This.
Also, maybe those really good players are actually awful coaches and can't express their thoughts onto other people (hypothetically). The "less well known" players may be brilliant coaches even if they're not as good/well known at playing the game or winning tournaments.
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On May 01 2011 15:33 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 14:42 Alizee- wrote:
This seems a lot like hotkeyit.com what exactly is the difference? Well.. you could get video coaching by amazing players like Ngry, Kowi, and Titan at Hotkeyit or .. IdrA, SeleCT, SjoW at SixPoolGaming seems like an ez choice, no?
Im sure that SixPoolGaming will become a competitor that will establish itself to provide good services to users in need, but it is critical to understand the importance of Hotkeyit.com, its players and its intentions in the community. It has been around for longer and provides excellent services to its clients. The blunt statement that you made does nothing but anger players like myself.
You're basically saying, why get coached by a pros on Hotkeyit, when you can get coached by other pros? Hotkeyit has some amazing players that clearly display and teach players that lack skill (potentially you) how to improve in the game. Show them the respect they deserve and maybe think again before posting comments that clearly don't solve anything.
Enough said...
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On May 01 2011 22:13 turdburgler wrote:
im curious about this whole venture. it seems that its just a rebranding of gosucoaching with some new content avenues being explored. why are you trying to get a new name out into the community when you already have an established brand?
unless there is some behind the scene politics and some people are being ditched??!?!?! *tin foil hat*
Could be that it's not all the same people, or since its video content they wanted to move away from the gosuguide name and all the questions and issues that still loom over it.
Sounds like business as usual with the way they are making announcements and hyping things before there's even any information or a website done though :p
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I don't think it's a case of who's teaching you, I mean if you remove the players name, the general consensus is that these coaches are drastically better than those looking for coaching, and thus have something to teach.
Just as an example Idra is an amazing player but he could be a terrible coach. (For the record I hear he's a great coach, but just as an example) So regardless of the names it should be more about their coaching styles and finding a coach you like. We all had our favourite teachers in school.
I think we should just appreciate the fact there's players out there willing to give their time and practice to help others get better and enjoy the game more.
Can't we all just get along.
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On May 01 2011 15:33 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 14:42 Alizee- wrote:
This seems a lot like hotkeyit.com what exactly is the difference? Well.. you could get video coaching by amazing players like Ngry, Kowi, and Titan at Hotkeyit or .. IdrA, SeleCT, SjoW at SixPoolGaming seems like an ez choice, no?
Talk about disrespectful. Well that's just made me want to go on their site + watch their content and not yours.
Good promotional skills.
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:D be prepared everyone! :-)))
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On May 01 2011 23:57 Gretorp wrote:
:D be prepared everyone! :-)))
yeah!!!
aslong as each coach submits content frequently it will be great!
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On May 01 2011 23:57 Gretorp wrote:
:D be prepared everyone! :-)))
Haha :D You shouldn't use the same hype-based marketing you used for NASL imo.
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On May 01 2011 17:54 jenzebubble wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 12:06 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:On May 01 2011 11:51 iNcontroL wrote:
it's probably best you just get drunk and make up those answers on your stream brent.
Wouldn't want to miss another opportunity to sell out your friends for some views Not sure which friends I had that I sold out. Geoff. As far as I know, the ones that I'm still friends with, are still friends. I mean, you can totally tell I'm out making loads of cash and tons of videos now a days because I'm totally trying to get back into the whole commentating thing. Heck, the whole reason I made that video was cause I got paid off and I'm living in Cuba now, living the high life. I totally ended your career so I'm totally on the up and up Right? Don't even pretend to get mad, because I know you're not. =) So I'll assume you'll continue working with GosuGuide and GosuCoaching? I don't pretend to talk for Inc and I understand he's more than capable of replying. That having been said, you don't talk out of school.
Honestly, people are reading into this way too much.. I asked a simple question and Inc jumped back with a witty comment. I replied back sarcastically.
Back on topic. I guess another question is, will Idra keep working with GosuCoaching? I guess it wouldn't be hard to promote two coaching sites as long as no none-competitive contracts are signed. Are those even used for situations like this or even for online businesses? I know many companies that don't want competition in their specific field require contracts like that saying you can't start or join another like company for X amount of years.
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On May 02 2011 00:59 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 17:54 jenzebubble wrote:On May 01 2011 12:06 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:On May 01 2011 11:51 iNcontroL wrote:
it's probably best you just get drunk and make up those answers on your stream brent.
Wouldn't want to miss another opportunity to sell out your friends for some views Not sure which friends I had that I sold out. Geoff. As far as I know, the ones that I'm still friends with, are still friends. I mean, you can totally tell I'm out making loads of cash and tons of videos now a days because I'm totally trying to get back into the whole commentating thing. Heck, the whole reason I made that video was cause I got paid off and I'm living in Cuba now, living the high life. I totally ended your career so I'm totally on the up and up Right? Don't even pretend to get mad, because I know you're not. =) So I'll assume you'll continue working with GosuGuide and GosuCoaching? I don't pretend to talk for Inc and I understand he's more than capable of replying. That having been said, you don't talk out of school. Honestly, people are reading into this way too much.. I asked a simple question and Inc jumped back with a witty comment. I replied back sarcastically. Back on topic. I guess another question is, will Idra keep working with GosuCoaching? I guess it wouldn't be hard to promote two coaching sites as long as no none-competitive contracts are signed. Are those even used for situations like this or even for online businesses? I know many companies that don't want competition in their specific field require contracts like that saying you can't start or join another like company for X amount of years.
SixPoolGaming isn't a coaching website. It is a video training website, and therefore won't conflict. I wouldn't worry about it if I were you.
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On May 01 2011 21:36 desrow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 15:33 Xeris wrote:On May 01 2011 14:42 Alizee- wrote:
This seems a lot like hotkeyit.com what exactly is the difference? Well.. you could get video coaching by amazing players like Ngry, Kowi, and Titan at Hotkeyit or .. IdrA, SeleCT, SjoW at SixPoolGaming seems like an ez choice, no? At least we have content and we don't go out of our way to "call out" our competition. But thank you for taking the time to give us your opinion about http://hotkeyit.com =)
I didn't go out of my way, someone asked a question and I replied... I don't really see it as competition, each will have its own content and we know our product will speak for itself soon enough. Anyway, thanks for your concern!
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On May 01 2011 22:06 Vequeth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 15:33 Xeris wrote:On May 01 2011 14:42 Alizee- wrote:
This seems a lot like hotkeyit.com what exactly is the difference? Well.. you could get video coaching by amazing players like Ngry, Kowi, and Titan at Hotkeyit or .. IdrA, SeleCT, SjoW at SixPoolGaming seems like an ez choice, no?
You pick the least famous names on their team, and then list off the most famous ones on yours? Sounds like you are worried.
So true, what a dick move...
Also, didn't take long for Geoff to bring the drama to a new project.
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This is some really interesting news!
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On May 01 2011 21:46 likeaboss wrote:
sometimes the lack of professionalism in the e-sports scene really irks me
I gotta agree with you there. The industry is growing expoentially, but if the main stars in the scene don't realize how unprofessional their behavior can be in the PUBLIC scene then the industry will continue to be a small cult thing rather than a national expansion. i.e. During the live cast at a professional tournament (Dreamhack i believe) one of the commentators used the word "raped" to describe a battle. While it is a common gamer term, it is not okay for the commentators to be using.
I know that probably was exactly what you were referring to with your comment, but regardless I am in agreement.
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On May 02 2011 02:34 Mr Showtime wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 21:46 likeaboss wrote:
sometimes the lack of professionalism in the e-sports scene really irks me I gotta agree with you there. The industry is growing expoentially, but if the main stars in the scene don't realize how unprofessional their behavior can be in the PUBLIC scene then the industry will continue to be a small cult thing rather than a national expansion. i.e. During the live cast at a professional tournament (Dreamhack i believe) one of the commentators used the word "raped" to describe a battle. While it is a common gamer term, it is not okay for the commentators to be using. I know that probably was exactly what you were referring to with your comment, but regardless I am in agreement.
except no matter how big esports gets, its not being aimed at the old or soft hearted? we are playing a game where the main objective is to kill people. if your ok with that but get offended by the word rape you need to get a reality check.
the same arguements that apply to why its ok to kill things in a video game but not in real life apply to why its ok to say someone was raped in the game without it being ok to talk about raping things in real life.
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On May 02 2011 02:41 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 02:34 Mr Showtime wrote:On May 01 2011 21:46 likeaboss wrote:
sometimes the lack of professionalism in the e-sports scene really irks me I gotta agree with you there. The industry is growing expoentially, but if the main stars in the scene don't realize how unprofessional their behavior can be in the PUBLIC scene then the industry will continue to be a small cult thing rather than a national expansion. i.e. During the live cast at a professional tournament (Dreamhack i believe) one of the commentators used the word "raped" to describe a battle. While it is a common gamer term, it is not okay for the commentators to be using. I know that probably was exactly what you were referring to with your comment, but regardless I am in agreement. except no matter how big esports gets, its not being aimed at the old or soft hearted? we are playing a game where the main objective is to kill people. if your ok with that but get offended by the word rape you need to get a reality check. the same arguements that apply to why its ok to kill things in a video game but not in real life apply to why its ok to say someone was raped in the game without it being ok to talk about raping things in real life.
For all intents we are playing a war game. In what part of the civilized world is rape justifiable even in war time? I think it's your sense of reality that is a little off
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"SixPoolGaming isn't a coaching website. It is a video training website, and therefore won't conflict. I wouldn't worry about it if I were you."
Thank you for clarifying that!
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The benefit of SixPoolGaming is that you can get a lot of the learning for a cheaper price. For example, you could watch training videos of IdrA through SixPoolGaming for a fraction of the price of getting him to coach you for 1 hour. You can go at your own pace, and where with coaching you're getting exclusively taught by one player, with SixPoolGaming you have the resources of all of our pros!
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The benefit of SixPoolGaming is that you can get a lot of the learning for a cheaper price. For example, you could watch training videos of IdrA through SixPoolGaming for about 1% of the price of getting him to coach you for 1 hour. You can go at your own pace, and where with coaching you're getting exclusively taught by one player, with SixPoolGaming you have the resources of all of our pros!
Will there be free content initially so we have something to base a decision whether to pay or not on? Very wary of paying for a product without some evidence of it upfront after NASL.
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On May 02 2011 03:22 Duravi wrote:Show nested quote +The benefit of SixPoolGaming is that you can get a lot of the learning for a cheaper price. For example, you could watch training videos of IdrA through SixPoolGaming for about 1% of the price of getting him to coach you for 1 hour. You can go at your own pace, and where with coaching you're getting exclusively taught by one player, with SixPoolGaming you have the resources of all of our pros! Will there be free content initially so we have something to base a decision whether to pay or not on? Very wary of paying for a product without some evidence of it upfront after NASL.
I believe there will be a lot of free content so you guys can get a taste of what we will be offering I can neither 100% confirm or deny right now however.
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Sick stuff
I love it when different teams/organizations interact ^^
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This will be good! So many top players!
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On May 02 2011 03:12 Xeris wrote:
The benefit of SixPoolGaming is that you can get a lot of the learning for a cheaper price. For example, you could watch training videos of IdrA through SixPoolGaming for about 1% of the price of getting him to coach you for 1 hour. You can go at your own pace, and where with coaching you're getting exclusively taught by one player, with SixPoolGaming you have the resources of all of our pros!
Ohhhh. That is an interesting aspect to do it. I hope it works out for SPG then because it seems video/stream training is the way to go now a days. Good luck to them!
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Just more immature adults trying to take advantage of a teenager's parents credit card to make more money for themselves while disguising it as growing e-sports.
But hey if a teenager is dumb enough to spend his allowance on something he can basically get for free, then go for it. Just know you are lining someones pockets
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On May 02 2011 05:13 raist wrote:
Just more immature adults trying to take advantage of a teenager's parents credit card to make more money for themselves while disguising it as growing e-sports.
But hey if a teenager is dumb enough to spend his allowance on something he can basically get for free, then go for it. Just know you are lining someones pockets
People pay for Poker training videos, people pay for Basketball training videos, and people pay for Starcraft training videos. Who are you to say which is a smart or dumb decision? The great thing about this world is that people have freedom to decide what they want to buy or not. If you want to get free stuff on youtube, more power to you... if people want to pay for video training, more power to them.
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On May 02 2011 02:59 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 02:41 turdburgler wrote:On May 02 2011 02:34 Mr Showtime wrote:On May 01 2011 21:46 likeaboss wrote:
sometimes the lack of professionalism in the e-sports scene really irks me I gotta agree with you there. The industry is growing expoentially, but if the main stars in the scene don't realize how unprofessional their behavior can be in the PUBLIC scene then the industry will continue to be a small cult thing rather than a national expansion. i.e. During the live cast at a professional tournament (Dreamhack i believe) one of the commentators used the word "raped" to describe a battle. While it is a common gamer term, it is not okay for the commentators to be using. I know that probably was exactly what you were referring to with your comment, but regardless I am in agreement. except no matter how big esports gets, its not being aimed at the old or soft hearted? we are playing a game where the main objective is to kill people. if your ok with that but get offended by the word rape you need to get a reality check. the same arguements that apply to why its ok to kill things in a video game but not in real life apply to why its ok to say someone was raped in the game without it being ok to talk about raping things in real life. For all intents we are playing a war game. In what part of the civilized world is rape justifiable even in war time? I think it's your sense of reality that is a little off
You do realize that the word rape doesn't necessarily refer to sexual assault. Go check a dictionary. Would it also be inappropriate for a caster to use the word murder? In my eyes murder is worse than rape... I hope you see the foolishness of your opinion and realize that commentary on a violent game will contain violent words. People need to be less concerned with political correctness and be reasonable.
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aw why did you guys ban the guy who made the coolaid guy, this is a "ohhhh yueaaaah" moment, i died laughing
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On May 02 2011 06:23 rO_Or wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 02:59 floor exercise wrote:On May 02 2011 02:41 turdburgler wrote:On May 02 2011 02:34 Mr Showtime wrote:On May 01 2011 21:46 likeaboss wrote:
sometimes the lack of professionalism in the e-sports scene really irks me I gotta agree with you there. The industry is growing expoentially, but if the main stars in the scene don't realize how unprofessional their behavior can be in the PUBLIC scene then the industry will continue to be a small cult thing rather than a national expansion. i.e. During the live cast at a professional tournament (Dreamhack i believe) one of the commentators used the word "raped" to describe a battle. While it is a common gamer term, it is not okay for the commentators to be using. I know that probably was exactly what you were referring to with your comment, but regardless I am in agreement. except no matter how big esports gets, its not being aimed at the old or soft hearted? we are playing a game where the main objective is to kill people. if your ok with that but get offended by the word rape you need to get a reality check. the same arguements that apply to why its ok to kill things in a video game but not in real life apply to why its ok to say someone was raped in the game without it being ok to talk about raping things in real life. For all intents we are playing a war game. In what part of the civilized world is rape justifiable even in war time? I think it's your sense of reality that is a little off You do realize that the word rape doesn't necessarily refer to sexual assault. Go check a dictionary. Would it also be inappropriate for a caster to use the word murder? In my eyes murder is worse than rape... I hope you see the foolishness of your opinion and realize that commentary on a violent game will contain violent words. People need to be less concerned with political correctness and be reasonable.
You're right instead of trying to draw parallels to the most common definition of the word for which 99% of the time it is used for, they are instead actually trying to say something else entirely. How foolish of people to make this silly mistake.
This is like the bundle of sticks defense for calling people faggots. Honestly why even bother?
Moral debates are pointless. Do you know what it's like to be dead? How about raped? Me neither on both counts. I am sure you have radical and truly compelling reasons why we should be allowed to make rape jokes all day, but at the end of the day they aren't tasteful in the eyes of most people, and your personal opinion is irrelevant.
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On May 02 2011 05:13 raist wrote:
Just more immature adults trying to take advantage of a teenager's parents credit card to make more money for themselves while disguising it as growing e-sports.
But hey if a teenager is dumb enough to spend his allowance on something he can basically get for free, then go for it. Just know you are lining someones pockets
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Do you know how anything works in the world... at all?
Thanks for the laugh.
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On May 02 2011 02:59 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 02:41 turdburgler wrote:On May 02 2011 02:34 Mr Showtime wrote:On May 01 2011 21:46 likeaboss wrote:
sometimes the lack of professionalism in the e-sports scene really irks me I gotta agree with you there. The industry is growing expoentially, but if the main stars in the scene don't realize how unprofessional their behavior can be in the PUBLIC scene then the industry will continue to be a small cult thing rather than a national expansion. i.e. During the live cast at a professional tournament (Dreamhack i believe) one of the commentators used the word "raped" to describe a battle. While it is a common gamer term, it is not okay for the commentators to be using. I know that probably was exactly what you were referring to with your comment, but regardless I am in agreement. except no matter how big esports gets, its not being aimed at the old or soft hearted? we are playing a game where the main objective is to kill people. if your ok with that but get offended by the word rape you need to get a reality check. the same arguements that apply to why its ok to kill things in a video game but not in real life apply to why its ok to say someone was raped in the game without it being ok to talk about raping things in real life. For all intents we are playing a war game. In what part of the civilized world is rape justifiable even in war time? I think it's your sense of reality that is a little off
wanna take a second shot at reading what i actually said?
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No because it's just some tired variation of the same thing every teenage boy thinks is some revelation on how offensive and edgy we should and should not be in public, the honest truth is no one gives a shit
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On May 01 2011 15:33 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 14:42 Alizee- wrote:
This seems a lot like hotkeyit.com what exactly is the difference? Well.. you could get video coaching by amazing players like Ngry, Kowi, and Titan at Hotkeyit or .. IdrA, SeleCT, SjoW at SixPoolGaming seems like an ez choice, no?
NASL crew so professional.
Wow.
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On May 02 2011 01:55 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 00:59 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:On May 01 2011 17:54 jenzebubble wrote:On May 01 2011 12:06 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:On May 01 2011 11:51 iNcontroL wrote:
it's probably best you just get drunk and make up those answers on your stream brent.
Wouldn't want to miss another opportunity to sell out your friends for some views Not sure which friends I had that I sold out. Geoff. As far as I know, the ones that I'm still friends with, are still friends. I mean, you can totally tell I'm out making loads of cash and tons of videos now a days because I'm totally trying to get back into the whole commentating thing. Heck, the whole reason I made that video was cause I got paid off and I'm living in Cuba now, living the high life. I totally ended your career so I'm totally on the up and up Right? Don't even pretend to get mad, because I know you're not. =) So I'll assume you'll continue working with GosuGuide and GosuCoaching? I don't pretend to talk for Inc and I understand he's more than capable of replying. That having been said, you don't talk out of school. Honestly, people are reading into this way too much.. I asked a simple question and Inc jumped back with a witty comment. I replied back sarcastically. Back on topic. I guess another question is, will Idra keep working with GosuCoaching? I guess it wouldn't be hard to promote two coaching sites as long as no none-competitive contracts are signed. Are those even used for situations like this or even for online businesses? I know many companies that don't want competition in their specific field require contracts like that saying you can't start or join another like company for X amount of years. SixPoolGaming isn't a coaching website. It is a video training website, and therefore won't conflict. I wouldn't worry about it if I were you. Useful information to put front-and-center in the OP! I had to get to page 3 of this thread to figure that out!
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On May 02 2011 08:33 GeorgeForeman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 01:55 Xeris wrote:On May 02 2011 00:59 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:On May 01 2011 17:54 jenzebubble wrote:On May 01 2011 12:06 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:On May 01 2011 11:51 iNcontroL wrote:
it's probably best you just get drunk and make up those answers on your stream brent.
Wouldn't want to miss another opportunity to sell out your friends for some views Not sure which friends I had that I sold out. Geoff. As far as I know, the ones that I'm still friends with, are still friends. I mean, you can totally tell I'm out making loads of cash and tons of videos now a days because I'm totally trying to get back into the whole commentating thing. Heck, the whole reason I made that video was cause I got paid off and I'm living in Cuba now, living the high life. I totally ended your career so I'm totally on the up and up Right? Don't even pretend to get mad, because I know you're not. =) So I'll assume you'll continue working with GosuGuide and GosuCoaching? I don't pretend to talk for Inc and I understand he's more than capable of replying. That having been said, you don't talk out of school. Honestly, people are reading into this way too much.. I asked a simple question and Inc jumped back with a witty comment. I replied back sarcastically. Back on topic. I guess another question is, will Idra keep working with GosuCoaching? I guess it wouldn't be hard to promote two coaching sites as long as no none-competitive contracts are signed. Are those even used for situations like this or even for online businesses? I know many companies that don't want competition in their specific field require contracts like that saying you can't start or join another like company for X amount of years. SixPoolGaming isn't a coaching website. It is a video training website, and therefore won't conflict. I wouldn't worry about it if I were you. Useful information to put front-and-center in the OP! I had to get to page 3 of this thread to figure that out!
Sorry we'll do that better next time!
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About Six Pool Gaming: Six Pool Gaming (SPG) is dedicated to providing a service to the vast numbers of Starcraft 2 gamers across the world who wish to develop their skills. We have recruited an extensive range of elite professional gamers and designed specialized online training tools so that people of various abilities can achieve their online gaming ambitions.
wow...
this is a great idea.
i hope everything goes as well as you guys wish.
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On May 02 2011 05:13 raist wrote:
Just more immature adults trying to take advantage of a teenager's parents credit card to make more money for themselves while disguising it as growing e-sports.
But hey if a teenager is dumb enough to spend his allowance on something he can basically get for free, then go for it. Just know you are lining someones pockets
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I suppose you support the parents who decided to sue Apple because they gave their kids iPhones and let them download apps. Not teaching their kids fiscal responsibility is the parent's fault, don't be a dumbfuck.
Many Starcraft players like myself are in their 20s-30s. If I want to spend money I earned on getting better at this game I don't want people like you ruining it for me.
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On May 01 2011 15:33 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 14:42 Alizee- wrote:
This seems a lot like hotkeyit.com what exactly is the difference? Well.. you could get video coaching by amazing players like Ngry, Kowi, and Titan at Hotkeyit or .. IdrA, SeleCT, SjoW at SixPoolGaming seems like an ez choice, no?
uh wow this is just so condescending. Sure they might not have high profile players like you do but doesn't mean you need to put them down.
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On May 02 2011 09:59 dtz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 15:33 Xeris wrote:On May 01 2011 14:42 Alizee- wrote:
This seems a lot like hotkeyit.com what exactly is the difference? Well.. you could get video coaching by amazing players like Ngry, Kowi, and Titan at Hotkeyit or .. IdrA, SeleCT, SjoW at SixPoolGaming seems like an ez choice, no? uh wow this is just so condescending. Sure they might not have high profile players like you do but doesn't mean you need to put them down.
If you read the rest of the thread, I clarified my statement. Wasn't meant to sound that way  !
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On May 02 2011 10:40 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 09:59 dtz wrote:On May 01 2011 15:33 Xeris wrote:On May 01 2011 14:42 Alizee- wrote:
This seems a lot like hotkeyit.com what exactly is the difference? Well.. you could get video coaching by amazing players like Ngry, Kowi, and Titan at Hotkeyit or .. IdrA, SeleCT, SjoW at SixPoolGaming seems like an ez choice, no? uh wow this is just so condescending. Sure they might not have high profile players like you do but doesn't mean you need to put them down. If you read the rest of the thread, I clarified my statement. Wasn't meant to sound that way !
You did this before though with NASL stream hype (that's panned out well, eh?). You crapped on the GOM stream, inadvertent or not, by saying how great the quality of NASL would be and made claims about what their steam is capable of.
+ Show Spoiler +"Stream quality: The quality of GSL's high quality paid stream is 650 kb/sec. Our free stream is going to be at 800 kb/sec, our paid stream will be 3 megabit / sec. We're offering much better stream quality than any other tournament can give you!" old qa thread
It's one thing to say you are excited and will work to deliver a great experience for customers, etc. It's another to call out competition ("choice is ez") or make false claims. You should be careful to say what they can give, and instead say how your product compares with what is currently offered. It also helps to make good on the claims, otherwise the constant barrage of hype will work against you and those you attempt to promote.
And if you haven't already rolled your eyes and moved on, I will add that I am all for the growth of eSports. I will support those who want to monetize it and add value to the community. However, I am very much opposed to those who attempt to tear down what others have built for their own gain. Customers and fans will keep you accountable for the things you say. I suggest more consideration for those that came before you so we can help this thing grow the right way.
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On May 02 2011 00:20 MrCon wrote:Haha :D You shouldn't use the same hype-based marketing you used for NASL imo.
just wait. Coming 2015 we have another GIANT announcement. then 2070, we have another announcement of something really big. Stay tuned!
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On May 02 2011 14:22 Gretorp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 00:20 MrCon wrote:On May 01 2011 23:57 Gretorp wrote:
:D be prepared everyone! :-))) Haha :D You shouldn't use the same hype-based marketing you used for NASL imo. just wait. Coming 2015 we have another GIANT announcement. then 2070, we have another announcement of something really big. Stay tuned!
I'm going to spoil it. We're currently working on bionic hands that will make you faster than any mortal. Also, we're working on a bionic brain that will be able to process information twice as fast as a normal human's, allowing you to make those split second decisions faster.
GG GRETORP!
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On May 02 2011 13:56 riboflavin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 10:40 Xeris wrote:On May 02 2011 09:59 dtz wrote:On May 01 2011 15:33 Xeris wrote:On May 01 2011 14:42 Alizee- wrote:
This seems a lot like hotkeyit.com what exactly is the difference? Well.. you could get video coaching by amazing players like Ngry, Kowi, and Titan at Hotkeyit or .. IdrA, SeleCT, SjoW at SixPoolGaming seems like an ez choice, no? uh wow this is just so condescending. Sure they might not have high profile players like you do but doesn't mean you need to put them down. If you read the rest of the thread, I clarified my statement. Wasn't meant to sound that way ! You did this before though with NASL stream hype (that's panned out well, eh?). You crapped on the GOM stream, inadvertent or not, by saying how great the quality of NASL would be and made claims about what their steam is capable of. + Show Spoiler +"Stream quality: The quality of GSL's high quality paid stream is 650 kb/sec. Our free stream is going to be at 800 kb/sec, our paid stream will be 3 megabit / sec. We're offering much better stream quality than any other tournament can give you!" old qa threadIt's one thing to say you are excited and will work to deliver a great experience for customers, etc. It's another to call out competition ("choice is ez") or make false claims. You should be careful to say what they can give, and instead say how your product compares with what is currently offered. It also helps to make good on the claims, otherwise the constant barrage of hype will work against you and those you attempt to promote. And if you haven't already rolled your eyes and moved on, I will add that I am all for the growth of eSports. I will support those who want to monetize it and add value to the community. However, I am very much opposed to those who attempt to tear down what others have built for their own gain. Customers and fans will keep you accountable for the things you say. I suggest more consideration for those that came before you so we can help this thing grow the right way.
Well, you're quoting something I said several months ago in an old Q&A thread that isn't even applicable anymore, and in no way was meant to bash on GOM. I'm sorry if you see it that way. If I say, "why eat oranges when you can eat apples... apples are so much better than oranges" , I'm not trying to trash oranges. I'm just saying how I think apples are better and that they're tasty. I'm not even saying oranges are not tasty, they could/are very well be.
You're really misconstruing what I say by nitpicking a few choice words out of context and trying to be argumentative. That's not really fair to me, especially because you don't know me and have never spoken to me.
Anyway I won't argue about it any longer, sorry if you don't like the way I type things out, I can't please everyone. All I can say is that we are going to be doing some great things !
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Not at all Xeris. You made promises about the NASL, promises that as of yet have not been kept. GSL stream quality is still head and shoulders above NASL. Instead of attacking the efforts of others, how about you focus your energy on getting the things that you can control right?
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I'll cut to the chase on this. The problem I was highlighting is that you made claims about the capability of a competitor. You effectively said that the stream quality will be better than what others are capable of. Do you not understand how that amounts to an unsubstantiated claim? There are serious perils for those who make these types of claims about competing products (or your own for that matter).
My previous post was ultimately a plea to you to choose your words more carefully when making claims about someone else's product -- as your comments in this thread were equally out of line. It is very likely that you will share the same customer pool, so it would be wise to not alienate them for the products they might choose just as a means to your ends. Also, I am not alone in the way your comments were construed. So once you work through the typical internet filters that we apply to forum discussions, I hope that you might see the validity in the advice and opinions your comments garnered.
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On May 02 2011 15:39 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 14:22 Gretorp wrote:On May 02 2011 00:20 MrCon wrote:On May 01 2011 23:57 Gretorp wrote:
:D be prepared everyone! :-))) Haha :D You shouldn't use the same hype-based marketing you used for NASL imo. just wait. Coming 2015 we have another GIANT announcement. then 2070, we have another announcement of something really big. Stay tuned! I'm going to spoil it. We're currently working on bionic hands that will make you faster than any mortal. Also, we're working on a bionic brain that will be able to process information twice as fast as a normal human's, allowing you to make those split second decisions faster. GG GRETORP!
You are too late on this product, Razer beat you to it. I hope you signed an NDA with them.
: )
The second one has also been invented already as well, it's called coke. (just kidding -- don't do drugs kids)
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On May 02 2011 15:43 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 13:56 riboflavin wrote:On May 02 2011 10:40 Xeris wrote:On May 02 2011 09:59 dtz wrote:On May 01 2011 15:33 Xeris wrote:On May 01 2011 14:42 Alizee- wrote:
This seems a lot like hotkeyit.com what exactly is the difference? Well.. you could get video coaching by amazing players like Ngry, Kowi, and Titan at Hotkeyit or .. IdrA, SeleCT, SjoW at SixPoolGaming seems like an ez choice, no? uh wow this is just so condescending. Sure they might not have high profile players like you do but doesn't mean you need to put them down. If you read the rest of the thread, I clarified my statement. Wasn't meant to sound that way ! You did this before though with NASL stream hype (that's panned out well, eh?). You crapped on the GOM stream, inadvertent or not, by saying how great the quality of NASL would be and made claims about what their steam is capable of. + Show Spoiler +"Stream quality: The quality of GSL's high quality paid stream is 650 kb/sec. Our free stream is going to be at 800 kb/sec, our paid stream will be 3 megabit / sec. We're offering much better stream quality than any other tournament can give you!" old qa threadIt's one thing to say you are excited and will work to deliver a great experience for customers, etc. It's another to call out competition ("choice is ez") or make false claims. You should be careful to say what they can give, and instead say how your product compares with what is currently offered. It also helps to make good on the claims, otherwise the constant barrage of hype will work against you and those you attempt to promote. And if you haven't already rolled your eyes and moved on, I will add that I am all for the growth of eSports. I will support those who want to monetize it and add value to the community. However, I am very much opposed to those who attempt to tear down what others have built for their own gain. Customers and fans will keep you accountable for the things you say. I suggest more consideration for those that came before you so we can help this thing grow the right way. Well, you're quoting something I said several months ago in an old Q&A thread that isn't even applicable anymore, and in no way was meant to bash on GOM. I'm sorry if you see it that way. If I say, "why eat oranges when you can eat apples... apples are so much better than oranges" , I'm not trying to trash oranges. I'm just saying how I think apples are better and that they're tasty. I'm not even saying oranges are not tasty, they could/are very well be. You're really misconstruing what I say by nitpicking a few choice words out of context and trying to be argumentative. That's not really fair to me, especially because you don't know me and have never spoken to me. Anyway I won't argue about it any longer, sorry if you don't like the way I type things out, I can't please everyone. All I can say is that we are going to be doing some great things !
You already made a dig at the quality of players at hotkeyit. "EZ choice". Those were your words, nobody quoted you out on context at all. And as for NASL statements being "not applicable anymore"- this is less than a few months ago. Words you said about GOMTV saying even your lowest quality will be better than their highest quality. These words were of course untrue as of now as we have seen NASL.
With that said I'm sure this will be a good resource for ambitious players trying to learn.
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and is greg still going to charge extortionate rates for coaching?
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On May 02 2011 17:04 riboflavin wrote:
I'll cut to the chase on this. The problem I was highlighting is that you made claims about the capability of a competitor. You effectively said that the stream quality will be better than what others are capable of. Do you not understand how that amounts to an unsubstantiated claim? There are serious perils for those who make these types of claims about competing products (or your own for that matter).
My previous post was ultimately a plea to you to choose your words more carefully when making claims about someone else's product -- as your comments in this thread were equally out of line. It is very likely that you will share the same customer pool, so it would be wise to not alienate them for the products they might choose just as a means to your ends. Also, I am not alone in the way your comments were construed. So once you work through the typical internet filters that we apply to forum discussions, I hope that you might see the validity in the advice and opinions your comments garnered.
Pretty much nail on the head tbh. Well argued good sir.
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On May 02 2011 17:04 riboflavin wrote:
I'll cut to the chase on this. The problem I was highlighting is that you made claims about the capability of a competitor. You effectively said that the stream quality will be better than what others are capable of. Do you not understand how that amounts to an unsubstantiated claim? There are serious perils for those who make these types of claims about competing products (or your own for that matter).
My previous post was ultimately a plea to you to choose your words more carefully when making claims about someone else's product -- as your comments in this thread were equally out of line. It is very likely that you will share the same customer pool, so it would be wise to not alienate them for the products they might choose just as a means to your ends. Also, I am not alone in the way your comments were construed. So once you work through the typical internet filters that we apply to forum discussions, I hope that you might see the validity in the advice and opinions your comments garnered.
Well said.
Xeris and his comments (past and present) completely turn me off from anything he is involved in.
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I agree that his dig at hotkeyit was condescending and inappropriate, but how is the NASL quote even relevant? Even if that was a dig at Gom, it's accurate. You can argue about production value until you're blue in the face, but the fact is that the NASL is capable of producing better quality than Gom's GSL stream. Stick to the topic at hand instead of grasping at straws.
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I'm surprised there's any money in things like this and the coaching when there's literally unlimited resources to help learn the game, everywhere. Nevertheless it's starting to feel like this is all basically exploitation of the whole new series of gamers that are now appearing in the community; when previously things like video tutorials would have been free for everyone to view. Any money going into this, coaching or even some tournament subscriptions are not directly supporting eSports at all like some people seem to imply.
I guess if there's a market there someones going to charge for it though.
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Xeris and his comments (past and present) completely turn me off from anything he is involved in
So true, I'm quiet surprised he is they guy chosen to be the face of so many projects.
I'm surprised there's any money in things like this and the coaching when there's literally unlimited resources to help learn the game, everywhere.
People always look for the "quick fix" where they can just throw money at improving instead of actually putting in hard work and dedication. Just look at the popularity of weight loss products.
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This is bad-ass... I really want InControL to teach
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On May 03 2011 00:22 infinity2k9 wrote:
I'm surprised there's any money in things like this and the coaching when there's literally unlimited resources to help learn the game, everywhere. Nevertheless it's starting to feel like this is all basically exploitation of the whole new series of gamers that are now appearing in the community; when previously things like video tutorials would have been free for everyone to view. Any money going into this, coaching or even some tournament subscriptions are not directly supporting eSports at all like some people seem to imply.
I guess if there's a market there someones going to charge for it though.
It reminds me of when Artosis and Gentho made a video site to learn BW where you bought the lessons. It's basically the model for this SPG thing from what I can tell.
The difference was people pretty much just laughed that thing off entirely. The community balked at the idea of paying $2.99 to learn how to use lurker ling vs T or whatever their lessons were.
BW was by far the more difficult to learn game, but everyone who wanted to learn it used the freely available resources. Whereas in SC2 the whole coaching thing is just ridiculously large for what they offer. On the one hand I am glad people can make money from the game, but on the other I am really wondering where all these suckers came from
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On May 02 2011 17:04 riboflavin wrote:
I'll cut to the chase on this. The problem I was highlighting is that you made claims about the capability of a competitor. You effectively said that the stream quality will be better than what others are capable of. Do you not understand how that amounts to an unsubstantiated claim? There are serious perils for those who make these types of claims about competing products (or your own for that matter).
My previous post was ultimately a plea to you to choose your words more carefully when making claims about someone else's product -- as your comments in this thread were equally out of line. It is very likely that you will share the same customer pool, so it would be wise to not alienate them for the products they might choose just as a means to your ends. Also, I am not alone in the way your comments were construed. So once you work through the typical internet filters that we apply to forum discussions, I hope that you might see the validity in the advice and opinions your comments garnered.
Fair enough. I definitely didn't choose my words carefully, however, I did explain what I meant so there you have it!
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Riboflavin dropping truth.
More StarCraft pedagogy is a good thing in my eyes. Look forward to seeing what is offered.
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Not a fan of these ventures, but good luck.
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Okay, in the interest of being productive, I have a suggestion. Please consider making videos that have play-along capabilities. What I mean is....I have dual monitors and would like to watch and replicate a BO in order to see where my attention and micro is versus a pro, all in real time. I often wonder if I am focusing on the wrong things when trying to get to a certain tech, etc. Hell even just the audio in the background of when things are being placed/constructed would be useful for those without dual monitor setups. Obviously this works best executing very specific builds and may not be applicable past a certain point.
This is pretty similar to the playback option in NFS where you can compare the lines you took versus opponents or your previous runs in real time (like you are racing a ghost of yourself). Often times, for those who cared enough, you could find lines and driving styles that are far superior but only slightly different in execution.
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god damn the dramastorm that came from an innocuous revelation post is crazy.
why can't both sites exist? more choice to the community is not a bad thing.
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On May 03 2011 02:41 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 17:04 riboflavin wrote:
I'll cut to the chase on this. The problem I was highlighting is that you made claims about the capability of a competitor. You effectively said that the stream quality will be better than what others are capable of. Do you not understand how that amounts to an unsubstantiated claim? There are serious perils for those who make these types of claims about competing products (or your own for that matter).
My previous post was ultimately a plea to you to choose your words more carefully when making claims about someone else's product -- as your comments in this thread were equally out of line. It is very likely that you will share the same customer pool, so it would be wise to not alienate them for the products they might choose just as a means to your ends. Also, I am not alone in the way your comments were construed. So once you work through the typical internet filters that we apply to forum discussions, I hope that you might see the validity in the advice and opinions your comments garnered. Fair enough. I definitely didn't choose my words carefully, however, I did explain what I meant so there you have it!
You really need to fix that. You seem to be working on every SC2 project known to man, but you're constantly getting people against you with your comments. Kind of annoying to say the least.
On May 03 2011 08:14 annul wrote:
god damn the dramastorm that came from an innocuous revelation post is crazy.
why can't both sites exist? more choice to the community is not a bad thing.
It sure didn't sound like an innocuous post. Both sites can exist, but Xeris' comment was out of line.
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The only thing that irks me about this is...
There was World of Warcraft arena site that was similar, you had to pay a small subscription to be able to read into the content for a month. It was good to begin with, but very quickly the amount of content that was being submitted fell off. These type of things really are brilliant if you can get regular submissions, but you NEED the regular submissions. If you're planning on getting people to pay, you need to have roughly 2-3 submissions that are valid to every player per week imo to keep people happy. So I guess that's your issue -- if you can prove that you can get stuff submitted on a regular basis, then it's for sure worth looking at. However, I'm skeptical. I do wish you the best of luck though
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Very similar to Nerdstomper in content, it seems. Looks awesome, and best of luck with the project (star power with Greg and Geoff will no doubt lead to success), probably not gonna jump on board with SPG due to NS also supporting HoN and WoW, which I play competitively.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the 6pool logo is absolutely brilliant. Best thing I've seen designed since the Tic Grack Toe poster at GSL.
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Any ETA about the actual content of the site (and precisions about what this content will be ?) ?
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Wow, it took all of 4 pages before you flagrantly disrespected your peers, antagonized someone with a legitimate question passive-aggressively, and trollingly mocked another poster. Way to keep it classy, 6PG.
..feels like someone's trying to be the eSports version of Mark Cuban.. :-\
-Wonder if the production crew for these coaching videos are gonna be comparable to the NASL's? Not that they are bad, it's just that the NASL sound guys are more like apples, and I prefer oranges.
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On May 02 2011 06:23 rO_Or wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 02:59 floor exercise wrote:On May 02 2011 02:41 turdburgler wrote:On May 02 2011 02:34 Mr Showtime wrote:On May 01 2011 21:46 likeaboss wrote:
sometimes the lack of professionalism in the e-sports scene really irks me I gotta agree with you there. The industry is growing expoentially, but if the main stars in the scene don't realize how unprofessional their behavior can be in the PUBLIC scene then the industry will continue to be a small cult thing rather than a national expansion. i.e. During the live cast at a professional tournament (Dreamhack i believe) one of the commentators used the word "raped" to describe a battle. While it is a common gamer term, it is not okay for the commentators to be using. I know that probably was exactly what you were referring to with your comment, but regardless I am in agreement. except no matter how big esports gets, its not being aimed at the old or soft hearted? we are playing a game where the main objective is to kill people. if your ok with that but get offended by the word rape you need to get a reality check. the same arguements that apply to why its ok to kill things in a video game but not in real life apply to why its ok to say someone was raped in the game without it being ok to talk about raping things in real life. For all intents we are playing a war game. In what part of the civilized world is rape justifiable even in war time? I think it's your sense of reality that is a little off You do realize that the word rape doesn't necessarily refer to sexual assault. Go check a dictionary. Would it also be inappropriate for a caster to use the word murder? In my eyes murder is worse than rape... I hope you see the foolishness of your opinion and realize that commentary on a violent game will contain violent words. People need to be less concerned with political correctness and be reasonable.
And to add to his point Rape- to plunder (a place); despoil.
to seize, take, or carry off by force.
"1250–1300; (v.) Middle English rapen < Anglo-French raper < Latin rapere to seize, carry off by force, plunder; (noun) Middle"
So I think rape is perfectly appropriate since it is being used according to these definitions in the context of a Starcraft match. And besides, as you can clearly see this is the original word usage, the sexual assault definition was added much later.
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On May 03 2011 02:41 Xeris wrote:
Fair enough. I definitely didn't choose my words carefully, however, I did explain what I meant so there you have it!
I can't decide if you genuinely care or are just trying to placate people.
One thing I do know, however, is that you are bad at PR. From the NASL hype, to the "guilty until proven innocent" handling of Avilo, and now this - keep being classy, man. The old "awww shucky darn, guys, sorry I just shit all over somebody in public, I didn't really mean it yuk yuk" thing is getting a little old. Here's a suggestion: Next time, think BEFORE you type and maybe you won't have to come back and spend 40 pages in a thread doing damage control.
On an unrelated note, the 6poolgaming videos sound pretty awesome. Hopefully you can keep your foot out of your mouth long enough for them to get here without me hating it by proxy.
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It's not actually appropriate to use the term anymore than it's appropriate to say 'niggardly' just because hey guys it once had a different meaning. Languages evolve and rape is not a term a commentator of any professional sport or game should use.
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On May 04 2011 08:48 infinity2k9 wrote:
It's not actually appropriate to use the term anymore than it's appropriate to say 'niggardly' just because hey guys it once had a different meaning. Languages evolve and rape is not a term a commentator of any professional sport or game should use.
I couldn't care less. And I'm pretty sure the target audience in general feels the same way.
Just because there is a fwe people who are actively searching for things to be offended by and complain about doesn't mean there is a problem.
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There's been discussions about it and no not everyone feels the same way, and considering everyone wants SC to reach a new audience you don't want to put people off by bullshit like that.
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So much drama in this thread, jesus.
All that matters is the quality of the content - if the video content is good, and I can learn something from it, I'll sign up no problem.
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On May 02 2011 01:55 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 21:36 desrow wrote:On May 01 2011 15:33 Xeris wrote:On May 01 2011 14:42 Alizee- wrote:
This seems a lot like hotkeyit.com what exactly is the difference? Well.. you could get video coaching by amazing players like Ngry, Kowi, and Titan at Hotkeyit or .. IdrA, SeleCT, SjoW at SixPoolGaming seems like an ez choice, no? At least we have content and we don't go out of our way to "call out" our competition. But thank you for taking the time to give us your opinion about http://hotkeyit.com =) I didn't go out of my way, someone asked a question and I replied... I don't really see it as competition, each will have its own content and we know our product will speak for itself soon enough. Anyway, thanks for your concern!
1st: I'm really excited for 6pool gaming.
2nd: IdrA knows a ton about this game (more than any player I've seen
3rd: That doesn't make Titan a bad player/coach (<3 Titan)
4th: A better answer would have been, "We are similar to hotkeyit.com, but we have a different coaching staff."
5th: People overreacted to your response. Who on hotkeyit will claim they are better than IdrA?
6th: These are just my thoughts. Feel free to ignore them Xeris. As I'm sure you know, you can market your product however you want. The internet already has too many opinions (my own included )
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KINDA UNRELATED, BUT YOUR LOGO IS SICKK
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5th: People overreacted to your response. Who on hotkeyit will claim they are better than IdrA?
Better at what? If you are referring to being an instructor many of them just might. Dont know them, but I find it hard to believe many of them would claim IdrA is better. In sports, being at the top has very little to do with being a good coach or an instructor. I seriously doubt e-sports is any different in this aspect.
In this light it's really funny how people choose to pay so much for coaching from someone famous, when they could (on average) get just as good coaching from someone else for a lot less. And better coaching, if they would be willing to spend little effort finding out who is good at it. I guess they like "hanging out" with famous people...
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On May 02 2011 17:04 riboflavin wrote:
I'll cut to the chase on this. The problem I was highlighting is that you made claims about the capability of a competitor. You effectively said that the stream quality will be better than what others are capable of. Do you not understand how that amounts to an unsubstantiated claim? There are serious perils for those who make these types of claims about competing products (or your own for that matter).
My previous post was ultimately a plea to you to choose your words more carefully when making claims about someone else's product -- as your comments in this thread were equally out of line. It is very likely that you will share the same customer pool, so it would be wise to not alienate them for the products they might choose just as a means to your ends. Also, I am not alone in the way your comments were construed. So once you work through the typical internet filters that we apply to forum discussions, I hope that you might see the validity in the advice and opinions your comments garnered.
Post of the year imo. No need to alienate gamers/customers OR competition. Not saying that I wont ever visit SPG, but after reading this I'm not exactly excited about it...
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Yeah actionjezus is a must for this roster, i hear he dosnt do lessons tho.
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On May 03 2011 02:40 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 00:22 infinity2k9 wrote:
I'm surprised there's any money in things like this and the coaching when there's literally unlimited resources to help learn the game, everywhere. Nevertheless it's starting to feel like this is all basically exploitation of the whole new series of gamers that are now appearing in the community; when previously things like video tutorials would have been free for everyone to view. Any money going into this, coaching or even some tournament subscriptions are not directly supporting eSports at all like some people seem to imply.
I guess if there's a market there someones going to charge for it though. It reminds me of when Artosis and Gentho made a video site to learn BW where you bought the lessons. It's basically the model for this SPG thing from what I can tell. The difference was people pretty much just laughed that thing off entirely. The community balked at the idea of paying $2.99 to learn how to use lurker ling vs T or whatever their lessons were. BW was by far the more difficult to learn game, but everyone who wanted to learn it used the freely available resources. Whereas in SC2 the whole coaching thing is just ridiculously large for what they offer. On the one hand I am glad people can make money from the game, but on the other I am really wondering where all these suckers came from
yea, this kind of product worked well with WoW arena because the skill cap was incredibly low, and you can basically just copy team comps and target orders and do about 90% as well as the people making the videos. also the WoW playerbase is accustomed to getting milked out of monthly money so a few extra bucks didn't mean anything to them.
SC2 still has a pretty high skill cap, and the things that determine a win or loss aren't really teachable without a direct coach. WoW Arena requires about as much coaching as teaching someone a good build order for each of the match-ups. the video tutorial sites did so well because WoW constantly got balance patched and new arena comps came out every few weeks, so people continued subscribing.
with SC2, there are way too many easily accessible, free resources to get a Bronze player to Platinum, and a Diamond player to Masters. even for people who want to improve very quickly via direct coaching, once they're at a skill level they're happy with the game doesn't change drastically to require them to continually pay for coaching.
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On May 07 2011 17:30 eggs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 02:40 floor exercise wrote:On May 03 2011 00:22 infinity2k9 wrote:
I'm surprised there's any money in things like this and the coaching when there's literally unlimited resources to help learn the game, everywhere. Nevertheless it's starting to feel like this is all basically exploitation of the whole new series of gamers that are now appearing in the community; when previously things like video tutorials would have been free for everyone to view. Any money going into this, coaching or even some tournament subscriptions are not directly supporting eSports at all like some people seem to imply.
I guess if there's a market there someones going to charge for it though. It reminds me of when Artosis and Gentho made a video site to learn BW where you bought the lessons. It's basically the model for this SPG thing from what I can tell. The difference was people pretty much just laughed that thing off entirely. The community balked at the idea of paying $2.99 to learn how to use lurker ling vs T or whatever their lessons were. BW was by far the more difficult to learn game, but everyone who wanted to learn it used the freely available resources. Whereas in SC2 the whole coaching thing is just ridiculously large for what they offer. On the one hand I am glad people can make money from the game, but on the other I am really wondering where all these suckers came from yea, this kind of product worked well with WoW arena because the skill cap was incredibly low, and you can basically just copy team comps and target orders and do about 90% as well as the people making the videos. .
lol
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On May 07 2011 17:30 eggs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 02:40 floor exercise wrote:On May 03 2011 00:22 infinity2k9 wrote:
I'm surprised there's any money in things like this and the coaching when there's literally unlimited resources to help learn the game, everywhere. Nevertheless it's starting to feel like this is all basically exploitation of the whole new series of gamers that are now appearing in the community; when previously things like video tutorials would have been free for everyone to view. Any money going into this, coaching or even some tournament subscriptions are not directly supporting eSports at all like some people seem to imply.
I guess if there's a market there someones going to charge for it though. It reminds me of when Artosis and Gentho made a video site to learn BW where you bought the lessons. It's basically the model for this SPG thing from what I can tell. The difference was people pretty much just laughed that thing off entirely. The community balked at the idea of paying $2.99 to learn how to use lurker ling vs T or whatever their lessons were. BW was by far the more difficult to learn game, but everyone who wanted to learn it used the freely available resources. Whereas in SC2 the whole coaching thing is just ridiculously large for what they offer. On the one hand I am glad people can make money from the game, but on the other I am really wondering where all these suckers came from yea, this kind of product worked well with WoW arena because the skill cap was incredibly low, and you can basically just copy team comps and target orders and do about 90% as well as the people making the videos. also the WoW playerbase is accustomed to getting milked out of monthly money so a few extra bucks didn't mean anything to them. SC2 still has a pretty high skill cap, and the things that determine a win or loss aren't really teachable without a direct coach. WoW Arena requires about as much coaching as teaching someone a good build order for each of the match-ups. the video tutorial sites did so well because WoW constantly got balance patched and new arena comps came out every few weeks, so people continued subscribing. with SC2, there are way too many easily accessible, free resources to get a Bronze player to Platinum, and a Diamond player to Masters. even for people who want to improve very quickly via direct coaching, once they're at a skill level they're happy with the game doesn't change drastically to require them to continually pay for coaching.
My counter to you would be ... why do people pay for poker training videos? Even really good poker players do this, and all my friends who have started poker told me that paying for good poker training videos was the best thing they could have done to start. I guess this doesn't prove anything per se -- but it certainly speaks to the potential value of a product like this. If people didn't think there was value in this, there wouldn't be so many iterations of it popping up everywhere (Nerdstomper, hotkeyit, SPG, etc)...
The question is whether the market will support this model for an extended period of time, or if the game itself is conducive for it. As a former competitive player and someone deeply involved in the community and competitive scene, I'd answer yes to both questions.
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SC2 still has a pretty high skill cap, and the things that determine a win or loss aren't really teachable without a direct coach
I agree with most of your post, but the important thing is that the sentence I quoted is true only after a certain level of skill. It's hard to say whether it is gold/plat or whatever, but the point is that before this cap, 90% of the mistakes are the same.
When you are gold there's no real need to go into deep strategies/timings, the most important thing is actually to have a solid macro and a decent scouting.
And i don't mean knowing the exact answer depending on what you scout, just knowing "ok it's an allin i need to produce stuff/prepare detection" or "ok no allin i can macro more".
A lot of people also said that before diamond or something, buying coach from a pro is probably meaningless. Just practicing fundamentals/macro is a lot better.
Now why not just, as you said, use the resources available on the net?
I think that most player in 'lower' leagues don't really want to invest a lot of time into finding those resources. Which is understandable if they don't have that much time to even practice.
However imagine a website were 'big names', that most players know anyway, would propose some "starter videos"?
It would probably be cheaper than coaching, easier to set up/access/review (Yes, you can record a coaching session and review it, but again, time consuming for most people).
Not to mention the fact that not everybody is confident enough with their english (especially talked), for a live thing.
"You don't really know were to start?" (not that much people know about TL in 'lower' leagues, especially in non-english speaking countries)
"You don't have time to look for resources?"
"You want to play Zerg? "
"Then just buy a starter video from IdrA and you're good to go, everything you need to know!"
I definitely see this formula being successful.
GM/Master/diamond players are actually a minority, even if it don't always seems so on TL .
I do think however that the interest would be limited for master players, you're right on that (even if some specific build/counter could be interesting to develop in videos).
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Completely opposed to this sort of...thing...business...not sure what to call it. Good luck anyway!
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I remember back when we just watched replays and played more games to get better... guess those glory days are gone.
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I remember back when we just watched replays and played more games to get better... guess those glory days are gone.
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I haven't been impressed with anyone in six pool gaming in tournaments recently. I really hope this helps them with their game, I don't see much in it for EG other than a few really good terrans to add to their practice partners. I really wanna see Artosis do well but he has been lacking in the APM department from what I've seen, maybe he has gotten a new hotkey setup?
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After reading about GosuGuide/GosuCoaching issues and dramas I said myself I wouldn't give a single penny for anything similar ever... but I have to say this looks really professional and promising, and hopefully it won't just "look". GL HF!
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On May 08 2011 07:20 overshard wrote:
I haven't been impressed with anyone in six pool gaming in tournaments recently. I really hope this helps them with their game, I don't see much in it for EG other than a few really good terrans to add to their practice partners. I really wanna see Artosis do well but he has been lacking in the APM department from what I've seen, maybe he has gotten a new hotkey setup?
SeleCT got 3rd at MLG Dallas 2011 and Gadget Show UK. SjoW won The Gathering. IdrA won IPL Season 1, iNcontroL got 4th at MLG Dallas. We have another big announcement coming next week that should also make people pretty excited !
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