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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 08 2015 05:44 jcarlsoniv wrote: If I'm around I'll check it out. I haven't really heard much about it. Mango played it a couple times on stream in the past week or two. He seemed to enjoy it a fair bit. | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On October 08 2015 03:27 ticklishmusic wrote: Both of you you have valid points. I'm not as familiar with swimming injuries, but I've seen people at my uni gym doing really dumb shit. I meant dropping weights as an example of injury, plenty of ways to hurt yourself around heavy objects.. Which is fair but you might as well include people doing dumb things on the pool deck then  Also, technique related injuries, so if you're in competitive swimming you at least have someone coaching you on technique and giving feedback. This is hard for the casual just showing up to the Y by themselves. I voted Average since I'm Silver V with maybe 35 ranked games in my life. But I get below Rank 10 in Hearthstone every season! Dattebayo! | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On October 08 2015 04:02 Seuss wrote: The thing to remember about Zdra's latest poll is that for most games you're probably above average simply by virtue of posting here. Good old Dunning Kruger. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
Close, but I'm talking about something more along the lines of Imposter Syndrome. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On October 08 2015 05:54 Seuss wrote: Close, but I'm talking about something more along the lines of Imposter Syndrome. That is interesting as fuck. Thanks. | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
How's it dunning kruger when we have matchmaking ranks that show our comparative strength o.0 And this is a gaming forum, remember that the average includes all the 8 year olds, casuals etc who play, then look at some of the people here :p On October 08 2015 05:55 Zdrastochye wrote: Is that the one where Ivy league students have higher suicide rates because they feel like they don't belong at their prestigious school? Never heard of it in that sense :o I thought most people who burn out/have breakdowns in elite schools are because they're underperforming and can't cope with it, not the opposite | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On October 08 2015 06:02 killerdog wrote: How's it dunning kruger when we have matchmaking ranks that show our comparative strength o.0 And this is a gaming forum, remember that the average includes all the 8 year olds, casuals etc who play, then look at the people here :p Because according to Dunning Kruger even people in matchmaking can think they either deserve to be higher or don't think they're as good as they actually are. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 08 2015 06:02 killerdog wrote: How's it dunning kruger when we have matchmaking ranks that show our comparative strength o.0 And this is a gaming forum, remember that the average includes all the 8 year olds, casuals etc who play, then look at some of the people here :p Never heard of it in that sense :o I thought most people who burn out/have breakdowns in elite schools are because they're underperforming and can't cope with it, not the opposite Isn't it more that they've gotten used to over achieving their entire lives, and then when they get to an Ivy League school filled with their equals, they just become another "normal" person? On October 08 2015 06:05 Gahlo wrote: Because according to Dunning Kruger even people in matchmaking can think they either deserve to be higher or don't think they're as good as they actually are. Which is irrelevant to Seuss's point. Despite where people think they should be, matchmaking, all things considered, is a fairly accurate indicator of current skill. Many people here are ~gold+, so ignoring what they think their skill level should be, most people posting in this forum are objectively above average skill (in League). | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
(pretty easy to find who I'm talking about if you google) | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
On October 08 2015 06:06 jcarlsoniv wrote: Isn't it more that they've gotten used to over achieving their entire lives, and then when they get to an Ivy League school filled with their equals, they just become another "normal" person? Yeah, but i thought imposter syndrome was if they kept outperforming everyone, but weren't able to accept that they were better. Isn't imposter more about thinking you're a lot worse then you are, and not being able to correlate your actual achievements to your internal sense of self? | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
On October 08 2015 06:06 jcarlsoniv wrote: Isn't it more that they've gotten used to over achieving their entire lives, and then when they get to an Ivy League school filled with their equals, they just become another "normal" person? Which is irrelevant to Seuss's point. Despite where people think they should be, matchmaking, all things considered, is a fairly accurate indicator of current skill. Many people here are ~gold+, so ignoring what they think their skill level should be, most people posting in this forum are objectively above average skill (in League). + a lot of people are pretty high rated in dota/csgo/whatever else, and just look at the pokemon breeding discussions that occasionally happen :p oops, quote and edit too close | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 08 2015 06:08 killerdog wrote: Yeah, but i thought imposter syndrome was if they kept outperforming everyone, but weren't able to accept that they were better. Isn't imposter more about thinking you're a lot worse then you are, and not being able to correlate your actual achievements to your internal sense of self? Impostor syndrome (also spelled imposter syndrome, also known as impostor phenomenon or fraud syndrome) is a term coined in the 1970's by psychologists and researchers to informally describe people who are unable to internalize their accomplishments. Despite external evidence of their competence, those exhibiting the syndrome remain convinced that they are frauds and do not deserve the success they have achieved. Proof of success is dismissed as luck, timing, or as a result of deceiving others into thinking they are more intelligent and competent than they believe themselves to be. Notably, impostor syndrome is particularly common among high-achieving women,[1] although both genders are affected in equal numbers.[2] Seems I'm talking about something else. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On October 08 2015 05:55 Zdrastochye wrote: Is that the one where Ivy league students have higher suicide rates because they feel like they don't belong at their prestigious school? Broadly speaking it describes any circumstance wherein a successful person fails to accept their accomplishments as valid/meaningful and thus feels like an impostor. It's essentially the other end of the spectrum from Dunning-Kruger. Whereas the one asserts that many incompetent people are unable to even perceive their own incompetence, the other essentially asserts that many competent people are unable to accept their own competence. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On October 08 2015 06:08 killerdog wrote: Yeah, but i thought imposter syndrome was if they kept outperforming everyone, but weren't able to accept that they were better. Isn't imposter more about thinking you're a lot worse then you are, and not being able to correlate your actual achievements to your internal sense of self? That's what it is. The other thing is more of the big fish small pond -> regular fish big bond effect. Or you can think of it as you're the star plat player on your ranked5's team with your friends, but then you join your other friend's ranked5's team and they're all diamond. Basically opposite of Dunning-Krueger. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On October 08 2015 06:06 jcarlsoniv wrote: Isn't it more that they've gotten used to over achieving their entire lives, and then when they get to an Ivy League school filled with their equals, they just become another "normal" person? Which is irrelevant to Seuss's point. Despite where people think they should be, matchmaking, all things considered, is a fairly accurate indicator of current skill. Many people here are ~gold+, so ignoring what they think their skill level should be, most people posting in this forum are objectively above average skill (in League). And yet most people in here's definition of good at league is at least plat+. Granted, good isn't average, but the point still stands. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On October 08 2015 06:10 Seuss wrote: Broadly speaking it describes any circumstance wherein a successful person fails to accept their accomplishments as valid/meaningful and thus feels like an impostor. It's essentially the other end of the spectrum from Dunning-Kruger. Whereas the one asserts that many incompetent people are unable to even perceive their own incompetence, the other essentially asserts that many competent people are unable to accept their own competence. This is sort of how I feel some of the time. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On October 08 2015 06:10 Seuss wrote: Broadly speaking it describes any circumstance wherein a successful person fails to accept their accomplishments as valid/meaningful and thus feels like an impostor. It's essentially the other end of the spectrum from Dunning-Kruger. Whereas the one asserts that many incompetent people are unable to even perceive their own incompetence, the other essentially asserts that many competent people are unable to accept their own competence. Dunning-Kruger also has a aspect to it where competent people tend to undervalue their talent because they are able to self critique more properly. It isn't all bad people thinking they're better. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
good introduction to dunning kruger + Show Spoiler + plugging this guy in because he's done some amazing fucking work, mainly focusing on psychological manipulation. Extremely highly reccomended. Anyone else heard of him before (or his brother, Qualiasoup)? | ||
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. Swimming form scares me a lot more. Weight form is hard sure but I'm doing it in an environment that I'm used to. Flopping around in water trying to get form right just sounds horrible. 
