Off-Topic General Discussion - Page 4927

On May 06 2015 09:35 Cixah wrote:


I was going to say the astros, but then I remembered we have the 2nd best record in baseball right now and aren't in the same division as the cards any more. Life's looking pretty good.

On May 06 2015 09:13 Eppa! wrote:

Its not SF4+ buffering; it is not particularly challenging to do stuff buffering.

On May 06 2015 09:51 WaveofShadow wrote:

It depends on what you're trying to do.
Stuff like pushblock guard cancel is fairly difficult.
Queueing up regular moves, no (not that I'm any good or anything).

Ingame lag depends on a few things but overall the system SG uses is really good. I can play most games against Holyflare in EU without any stuttering for example.

The copy I have is just the basic one I think, no DLC (though Beowulf is free atm). Means you'd be missing three characters, Squigly Big Band and Eliza, but Fukua is free as will be Robo Fortune when she comes out.

And Jerff the only reason I'm hesitant to give it to you is because I'd rather give it to someone who isn't likely to play it once and then stop. Practice partners are a good thing.

On May 06 2015 09:11 Alaric wrote:
Ooooh, no. After having "played" KoF XIII, SkullGirls is extremely forgiving.

On May 06 2015 12:03 Frolossus wrote:
i never understood how traditional fighters work exactly. aren't your options fairly limited between high/low attack & block?

On May 06 2015 12:03 Frolossus wrote:
i never understood how traditional fighters work exactly. aren't your options fairly limited between high/low attack & block?

On May 06 2015 13:06 sung_moon wrote:


There's also crossups, throws, command grabs in terms "mixups".

Traditional fighters like SF2/older KoF's, yes the mixups were limited. However, there's so many ways to approach the game, where sometimes the matches aren't decided by simple "options".

In SF2, games can come down to a slow grindy projectile war, a battle of footsies (where normals are primarily used to control space), or matches where both characters have limited options in neutral position and pray to land a knockdown and begin their mixups/setplay. These are just some examples what several matches play out like, even if its always the same characters used.

Options in SF2 aren't also limited to what crosses up, or whats an overhead. A grossly simplified gameplan of SF2 Ken's game is literally neutral, until you land a throw/knockdown, in which case your mixup is a) throw, b) LP dragon punch, c) more footsie pressure. The throw beats simply blocking, LP Dragon punch beats jumping away/your normal attacks/your reversals (since its the best DP in the game), and more footsie pressure keeps you in blockstun (where you do nothing but block) and lets Ken decide how to dictate the match.


KoF increases both offensive and defensive options, with stuff like short/hyper hops, run, rolls, blowbacks etc. The simple high/low mixup game is much more layered in KoF, as things such as hyperhopping can allow for crossups, hop into low attack (because opponent sees you hop, they stand up in anticipation for the high attack), empty jump/hop throw. Once you layer these options, the mixup game becomes increasingly layered. There is of course, zoning relevant in KoF (more so in older games), and footsies are more "air" based in KoF (especially 13).

This is a really simplified explanation of how I think the system of traditional fighters work, even though the options back then are much more limited compared to anime fighters/Marvel. This isn't even touching the tip of teh iceberg in terms of every individual character. There's a reason SF2 and KoF98 still get played to this day, and some call them the greatest competitive iterations of the series.

edit: Yea, I'm terrible at explaining things. Wave literally did it, much more concise, simpler, and shorter than I just did.

On May 06 2015 13:00 WaveofShadow wrote:

'Normals' each have different range, speed and hitboxes for different characters. There are standing H/M/L punch, H/M/L kick, crouching H/M/L punch/kick, jumping H/M/L punch/kick, plus throws, plus specials, plus any command normals or unique normals, plus supers.

Your options are not 'limited.'

We're going to play again tomorrow night a whole bunch; I'd recommend anyone who is interested in fighters (or learning about them ^.^ ) to come hang out with us, at the very least in Skype/TS even if you don't want to play. All yous guys who bought the game with us originally: HF/sunaj/Alaric and I forget who else, you HAVE to play.

Still up to give away the copy I have to anyone wanting to learn, otherwise I've made Jeff wait long enough :D

On May 06 2015 12:41 Nos- wrote:

kof 13 on a ps3 controller makes me hate life how do you do anything in that game

On May 06 2015 15:41 red_ wrote:
I've been playing some MKX on PS4, getting into the fighting game rhythm a bit, but SG has the 6 button layout which feels like it'd be rougher to learn on gamepad(my PC gamepad is a ps3 controller). MKX technically uses more but the shoulder buttons aren't used in nearly the regularity as the normals. I should like go get a random 6 button fighter on an emulator and see how I like it.

On May 06 2015 19:52 AlterKot wrote:
I played very little KoF so I don't remember atm, but actually games like Skullgirls and MvC are the ones that offer the most variety in terms of which moves you can cancel into which (most characters can cancel moves into other moves or equal or higher strength, right?)... which is why I'm saying, that SG IS an anime fighter, not sure if you're implying that I sad the opposite or what.