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ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
June 26 2014 18:00 GMT
#45801
On June 27 2014 02:56 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2014 02:55 ComaDose wrote:
3.5 is the bw to 4th's sctoo

Nah bro. 3.5 is SC1, Pathfinder is BW.

pathfinder is great.
rip boris the bear, the wise and strong shapeshifter that shifted into my heart before his untimely demise.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
June 26 2014 18:02 GMT
#45802
On June 27 2014 03:00 ComaDose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2014 02:56 Gahlo wrote:
On June 27 2014 02:55 ComaDose wrote:
3.5 is the bw to 4th's sctoo

Nah bro. 3.5 is SC1, Pathfinder is BW.

pathfinder is great.
rip boris the bear, the wise and strong shapeshifter that shifted into my heart before his untimely demise.

sounds like you have heart problems
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-26 18:03:27
June 26 2014 18:02 GMT
#45803
Reading about DnD makes me want to play DnD. But I realize I would be the worst at it. I am literally a yolo knight in shining armor but I feel my character couldn't handle it and would just die.


Kind of like my diablo characters. Fucking pussies
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
June 26 2014 18:03 GMT
#45804
holy jesus screw that game

seemed like US was really suffering from the 1 day less of rest - they just played like balls
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
June 26 2014 18:04 GMT
#45805
On June 27 2014 03:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
holy jesus screw that game

seemed like US was really suffering from the 1 day less of rest - they just played like balls

Bronze player stuck in platinum
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
June 26 2014 18:05 GMT
#45806
Anybody here ever played TERA? Recommend or no?
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
June 26 2014 18:07 GMT
#45807
TERA was fun for like 2-ish weeks and then it got boring very fast
Bronze player stuck in platinum
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
June 26 2014 18:08 GMT
#45808
USA USA USA

Seems silly on a loss but I'm looking forward to the next game. Nice to have some great opportunities at the end too.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
June 26 2014 18:10 GMT
#45809
On June 27 2014 03:07 Nos- wrote:
TERA was fun for like 2-ish weeks and then it got boring very fast


^

On June 27 2014 03:08 mordek wrote:
USA USA USA

Seems silly on a loss but I'm looking forward to the next game. Nice to have some great opportunities at the end too.


The fact that Germany only scored once on us says a lot. I didn't actually expect us to beat them. We made it through the group of death, I'm pumped for bracket.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-26 18:11:49
June 26 2014 18:10 GMT
#45810
On June 27 2014 02:52 ComaDose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2014 02:48 TheYango wrote:
On June 27 2014 02:38 ComaDose wrote:
4th ed is bad mmkay, we've been able to multi-class since 1st ed. now you are pigeon holed into a "build"

Truth be told I've never actually felt from 3.0 onward that multiclassing ever benefited a campaign. It made more sense pre-3.0 because the number of classes was smaller so you needed multiclassing to cover various archetypical characters, but 3.0 expanded the pool of base classes to cover most of these, so multiclassing really only becomes a tool for optimization.

as an experienced player i pretty much know how my build is going to end up anyway but having the option to level up a different class can really add a roll playing element. any number of things can happen to a character to change the way they develop. 4th says more like "this is how you will grow"

thats what i liked about 3.5 multiclassing. start as a fighter, have traumatic experience, cope by forgoing weapons and start meditating and developing your physical and spiritual body, become monk.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
June 26 2014 18:16 GMT
#45811
wtf is a spiritual body
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
June 26 2014 18:17 GMT
#45812
On June 27 2014 03:10 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2014 03:07 Nos- wrote:
TERA was fun for like 2-ish weeks and then it got boring very fast


^

Show nested quote +
On June 27 2014 03:08 mordek wrote:
USA USA USA

Seems silly on a loss but I'm looking forward to the next game. Nice to have some great opportunities at the end too.


The fact that Germany only scored once on us says a lot. I didn't actually expect us to beat them. We made it through the group of death, I'm pumped for bracket.

Totally agree, we made it :D

Watched second half with some buddies over lunch. Kept say SCCHHHHHHVIENSTEIGER!! every time he was involved in a play lol.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
June 26 2014 18:19 GMT
#45813
On June 27 2014 03:16 Scip wrote:
wtf is a spiritual body


Clearly you didn't go to Humanics University
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
June 26 2014 18:26 GMT
#45814
On June 27 2014 03:19 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2014 03:16 Scip wrote:
wtf is a spiritual body


Clearly you didn't go to Humanics University

He's European. They're either athiests or the pope.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
June 26 2014 18:27 GMT
#45815
On June 27 2014 01:24 Duvon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2014 01:21 arb wrote:
Cheat to get all factions in Medieval 2, pick Russia cause why not.

End up being hella poor all the time bc Russia has no natural resources :<
Everyone in Western Europe hates me and I'm at war with like 4 factions. l0l.

Eh.... ural mountains, wood out the arse doesn't count?

The farther south I push the closer I am to the Mongols when they invade, the way it is now i pushed west into poland/germany so now i have egypt/rebels as a buffer for the Mongols and i'm gonna hope they can stop them before I have to fight. :X
All my good generals are in poland fighting them + western roman empire and I cant be assed to go into under developed plans to try and fight mongols off
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-26 18:49:18
June 26 2014 18:34 GMT
#45816
On June 27 2014 03:10 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2014 02:52 ComaDose wrote:
On June 27 2014 02:48 TheYango wrote:
On June 27 2014 02:38 ComaDose wrote:
4th ed is bad mmkay, we've been able to multi-class since 1st ed. now you are pigeon holed into a "build"

Truth be told I've never actually felt from 3.0 onward that multiclassing ever benefited a campaign. It made more sense pre-3.0 because the number of classes was smaller so you needed multiclassing to cover various archetypical characters, but 3.0 expanded the pool of base classes to cover most of these, so multiclassing really only becomes a tool for optimization.

as an experienced player i pretty much know how my build is going to end up anyway but having the option to level up a different class can really add a roll playing element. any number of things can happen to a character to change the way they develop. 4th says more like "this is how you will grow"

thats what i liked about 3.5 multiclassing. start as a fighter, have traumatic experience, cope by forgoing weapons and start meditating and developing your physical and spiritual body, become monk.

The problem is that how it works thematically and how it works within the rules have a disconnect. If you compare a 1st level wizard thematically to a 10th level rogue who became a 1st level wizard, it doesn't make a lot of sense.

Also, ComaDose, with the exception of Human-specific dual-classing, 2nd Ed multiclassing doesn't work that way. Multiclassing in 2nd Ed entails having multiple base classes you select at character creation that advance in parallel. And even human dual-classing is subject to pretty notable rules and restrictions (starting your second class permanently stops advancement in your initial class and you can't take a 3rd class).

On-the-fly multiclassing is only really a 3E-specific idea, so saying "we've been able to multi-class since 1st ed." is somewhat disingenuous.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
June 26 2014 18:35 GMT
#45817
On June 27 2014 02:56 Tooplark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2014 02:48 TheYango wrote:
On June 27 2014 02:48 Tooplark wrote:
On June 27 2014 02:44 caelym wrote:
So if you hide combat rules behind layers of rules, you keep the illusion of fantasy combat? What? 4th is fine and I enjoyed playing it. It's way easier to setup as well


I'm just saying, there's no reason why a fighter would have a special sword move that he can only use once per day. Or at least, 4th edition doesn't give you any reason. It just says "Take your pick of these special, once-per-day attacks." I don't deny that it's a fun system to go slaughter monsters in, and more balanced and less complicated than 3.5, but I can get basically the same experience by playing a video game.

So how do you feel about Tome of Battle?

I actually haven't read through or used that one, so I don't know. I appreciate the attempt to make a punchy class that can compete with wizards, but I don't know how solid it is thematically.

If you just go off the lore in the book it's... ok. You can easily work in the styles/paths/whatever they're called into a fantasy setting with no problem. It's all very basic. But, the actual combat with it is really fun, and there are a lot of rather balanced homebrew styles that work with the mechanics in the book. I played a gunslinger type that was base classed Warblade and had a lot of cool shooting maneuvers, without overshadowing the straight Warrior and Psion in the party.
It's your boy Guzma!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 26 2014 18:37 GMT
#45818
On June 27 2014 02:56 Tooplark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2014 02:48 TheYango wrote:
On June 27 2014 02:48 Tooplark wrote:
On June 27 2014 02:44 caelym wrote:
So if you hide combat rules behind layers of rules, you keep the illusion of fantasy combat? What? 4th is fine and I enjoyed playing it. It's way easier to setup as well


I'm just saying, there's no reason why a fighter would have a special sword move that he can only use once per day. Or at least, 4th edition doesn't give you any reason. It just says "Take your pick of these special, once-per-day attacks." I don't deny that it's a fun system to go slaughter monsters in, and more balanced and less complicated than 3.5, but I can get basically the same experience by playing a video game.

So how do you feel about Tome of Battle?

I actually haven't read through or used that one, so I don't know. I appreciate the attempt to make a punchy class that can compete with wizards, but I don't know how solid it is thematically.

The core design concept of ToB is per-encounter powers. The sourcebook is a bit more thematically rich than you make 4E out to be, but ultimately ToB was the test-bed for the idea of per-encounter powers (and WotC was arguably inspired to move the concept forward in 4E BECAUSE ToB was so well-received).
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Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
June 26 2014 18:44 GMT
#45819
On June 27 2014 03:26 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2014 03:19 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On June 27 2014 03:16 Scip wrote:
wtf is a spiritual body


Clearly you didn't go to Humanics University

He's European. They're either athiests or the pope.

Well I though that body was the physical bit, and then the spiritual is like your mind n shit,
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
June 26 2014 18:46 GMT
#45820
On June 27 2014 03:44 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2014 03:26 Gahlo wrote:
On June 27 2014 03:19 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On June 27 2014 03:16 Scip wrote:
wtf is a spiritual body


Clearly you didn't go to Humanics University

He's European. They're either athiests or the pope.

Well I though that body was the physical bit, and then the spiritual is like your mind n shit,


spirit is neither mind nor body
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
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