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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
I actually never ended up playing 4th Ed, though I did read through the rules at some point. It's funny because I feel like the Saga Edition for the Star Wars RPG prototyped a lot of the concepts that would get used in 4th Ed, and it did many of them quite well--but 4th Ed took some things just a bit too far. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
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red_
United States8474 Posts
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
That said, it's not a bad system for doing pure hack'n'slash, but you could be playing a video game instead. On June 27 2014 02:38 ComaDose wrote: 4th ed is bad mmkay, we've been able to multi-class since 1st ed. now you are pigeon holed into a "build" Isn't there some kind of hybrid system or something that lets you mix and match from two classes? Also your build in 4th ed is more about picking powers and items that synergize well. Like one guy i played with had this sorceror i think who munchkinned to the max. Normally you can use at most two at-will powers per turn, I think. It's been a while since I played. But he took a bunch of stuff that boosted the power of his at-will Chaos Bolt, and took some other stuff that (dubiously) let him use chaos bolt four times in one round. I don't think he even bothered with his daily or encounter powers, just nuked things for around 70 dice per turn. Either way, the items are just as gamified and abstracted as the powers are. No mythos at all. | ||
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caelym
United States6421 Posts
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
On June 27 2014 02:44 caelym wrote: So if you hide combat rules behind layers of rules, you keep the illusion of fantasy combat? What? 4th is fine and I enjoyed playing it. It's way easier to setup as well I'm just saying, there's no reason why a fighter would have a special sword move that he can only use once per day. Or at least, 4th edition doesn't give you any reason. It just says "Take your pick of these special, once-per-day attacks." I don't deny that it's a fun system to go slaughter monsters in, and more balanced and less complicated than 3.5, but I can get basically the same experience by playing a video game. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 27 2014 02:38 ComaDose wrote: 4th ed is bad mmkay, we've been able to multi-class since 1st ed. now you are pigeon holed into a "build" Truth be told I've never actually felt from 3.0 onward that multiclassing ever benefited a campaign. It made more sense pre-3.0 because the number of classes was smaller so you needed multiclassing to cover various archetypical characters, but 3.0 expanded the pool of base classes to cover most of these, so multiclassing really only becomes a tool for optimization. On June 27 2014 02:48 Tooplark wrote: I'm just saying, there's no reason why a fighter would have a special sword move that he can only use once per day. Or at least, 4th edition doesn't give you any reason. It just says "Take your pick of these special, once-per-day attacks." I don't deny that it's a fun system to go slaughter monsters in, and more balanced and less complicated than 3.5, but I can get basically the same experience by playing a video game. So how do you feel about Tome of Battle? | ||
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Gahlo
United States35170 Posts
Gimme Pathfinder any day. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
On June 27 2014 02:48 TheYango wrote: Truth be told I've never actually felt from 3.0 onward that multiclassing ever benefited a campaign. It made more sense pre-3.0 because the number of classes was smaller so you needed multiclassing to cover various archetypical characters, but 3.0 expanded the pool of base classes to cover most of these, so multiclassing really only becomes a tool for optimization. as an experienced player i pretty much know how my build is going to end up anyway but having the option to level up a different class can really add a roll playing element. any number of things can happen to a character to change the way they develop. 4th says more like "this is how you will grow" | ||
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Gahlo
United States35170 Posts
Woooo Ro16! | ||
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caelym
United States6421 Posts
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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red_
United States8474 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35170 Posts
On June 27 2014 02:52 caelym wrote: I just feel that if you can suspend your disbelief to play DnD, you can suspend your disbelief for combat restrictions in 4th. For example dailies are special moves that require extra exertion and you don't have the stamina and tenacity to do it again that day. As for power gaming, 3.5 is like meant for power gaming and number optimization imo. A power gamer will power game no matter what rules. Which is well and fine, but it's saying that you can't do it twice a day from a fully rested state, yet you can do all this other crazy shit throughout the rest of the day. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35170 Posts
On June 27 2014 02:55 ComaDose wrote: 3.5 is the bw to 4th's sctoo Nah bro. 3.5 is SC1, Pathfinder is BW. | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
I actually haven't read through or used that one, so I don't know. I appreciate the attempt to make a punchy class that can compete with wizards, but I don't know how solid it is thematically. | ||
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caelym
United States6421 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35170 Posts
On June 27 2014 02:58 wei2coolman wrote: CAN YOU GUYS SMELL THE FREEDOM? Not over the white pussy. | ||
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