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On May 14 2014 09:46 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2014 09:38 Scip wrote:On May 14 2014 09:09 Nos- wrote:
LOL SCIP Can you pls explain to me why that couldn't be the correct answer if the ratios between those two triangles is 2:3 then it's not gonna be right triangle either way 5.3^2 + 6^2 is not 9^2 3x8/2 = 12 6^2+9^2 = 12^2 you can have an ratio between right triangles wat are you talking about scip you'll just get square roots everywhere
wtf
6^2+9^2 = 36+81=117
12^2 = 144
?? 6 9 12 is not a right triangle, not even close lol
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wait wat
soniv said oh yeah 6 9 12 triangle so i assumed it was a triplet i forgot about
rekt
the smarter answer then is that you need a calculator to calculate 16/3 and you don't for 12 lel
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On May 14 2014 09:51 Slayer91 wrote:
wait wat
soniv said oh yeah 6 9 12 triangle so i assumed it was a triplet i forgot about
rekt
the smarter answer then is that you need a calculator to calculate 16/3 and you don't for 12 lel
baited
edit: I'm not sure where in my mind I thought 6/9/12 was a right triangle
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you don't need a calculator to calculate 16/3, not over here in continental europe
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you have to realize you are twice the intended age bracket
and european so its like 4x intelligence
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In my mind, the 5.33 answer is better because it makes the picture less wrong. It's not a right triangle, but at least the smaller pictured triangle is smaller and and longest pictured side is the longest one.
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On May 14 2014 08:28 red_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2014 07:49 xes wrote:
Actually that's a pretty good question because it forces you to understand similarity. A must be ~ to 8 because the ratio is given as 3/2 so 8 can't be ~ to 6 or be ~ to 9.
Misleading math is great because relying on intuition for math teaches terrible habits because our intuition on math is actually awful. If you could do math with intuition you wouldn't need math.
The argument unstated here is most math people work with should be intuitive and not false-academic-rigorous. But that's not really math, that's arithmetic. I respectfully disagree. Not with the notion that it it is belying intuition and teaching similarity, but I disagree with it being a good question in the context of it being 8th grade math. Take the picture out and ask the question in plain text('Triangle with sides 6, 9, and A is similar at a 3:2 ratio to triangle B, C, and 8, solve for A) if you want to strictly teach similarity. I would expect this at a higher level where critical thinking(sqrt45 is not correct but neither is 6 and 1 third, why is that?) is something the brain is more capable of being taught/performing. Also it's not that anyone is confusing A for being similar to 6 or 9, it's that the picture is both misleading you to think one triangle is larger(when it is not) and that it is a right triangle with 9 and C as respective hypotenuses. This isn't just intuition, it is fact. 3:2 means one object is larger(and larger is quantifiable via a drawing), and a hypotenuse is the longest side of a triangle(so one shouldn't just intuit that 9 and C are the longest sides, they would be considered silly for thinking otherwise). This question wasn't a math or arithmetic question at all, it was a critical thinking question forcing one to arrive at a wrong answer first(probably either one of sqrt45 or 6 and 1 third) but realizing that can't possibly be correct given the number 8 in comparison to A and a 3:2 ratio(in either direction).
can we just respect what a steaming pile of shit this post becomes now then
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yo, doing a HS arena stream, hey gaiz
twitch.tv/lortolk
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Does it mean that Nos- LOLing at me makes him look a bit silly too? :3
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On May 14 2014 09:42 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2014 09:34 Frudgey wrote:On May 14 2014 09:30 kainzero wrote:On May 14 2014 09:18 nafta wrote:On May 14 2014 09:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Somebody please explain Twitch to me.
How in the hell do people have the disposable income to throw $100 at a time at people streaming who you could watch for free, and who are doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING BUT PLAYING GAMES THEY'D BE PLAYING ANYWAY
People doing speedruns, people playing Isaac, DotA, LoL....I get following so if you like a guy for whatever reason you can see when he/she gets online and shit but subscribing/donating...I dunno I guess I'm just cheap or something but I don't get it. People have money and they want to support what they like. maybe wave is mad because no one likes him Hey I like Wave. I just don't watch his streams at all because he doesn't stream anything that I care to watch. He still has a sexy awesome voice though. + Show Spoiler +Hey sweet I'm a Firebat now. Slammin' I forget if you answered this, but what DO you like? All I remember is the stuff you don't 
You did ask me this and I DID respond. It was a nice and long answer too, I'm glad it made such an impression.
;_;
Basically when it comes to things that I watch, I'd put myself down for mostly fighting games and Warhammer 40k Dawn of War II replays. I'll watch other things as well, but those are the ones I watch the most.
Of course the things that I watch and the things that I play are two different categories. I'll happily watch someone play some game that I do play, but I do like watching fighting games and DoWII because I suck at fighting games and the caster for DoWII replays is probably the best caster I've ever seen. Ever.
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On May 14 2014 09:57 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2014 08:28 red_ wrote:On May 14 2014 07:49 xes wrote:
Actually that's a pretty good question because it forces you to understand similarity. A must be ~ to 8 because the ratio is given as 3/2 so 8 can't be ~ to 6 or be ~ to 9.
Misleading math is great because relying on intuition for math teaches terrible habits because our intuition on math is actually awful. If you could do math with intuition you wouldn't need math.
The argument unstated here is most math people work with should be intuitive and not false-academic-rigorous. But that's not really math, that's arithmetic. I respectfully disagree. Not with the notion that it it is belying intuition and teaching similarity, but I disagree with it being a good question in the context of it being 8th grade math. Take the picture out and ask the question in plain text('Triangle with sides 6, 9, and A is similar at a 3:2 ratio to triangle B, C, and 8, solve for A) if you want to strictly teach similarity. I would expect this at a higher level where critical thinking(sqrt45 is not correct but neither is 6 and 1 third, why is that?) is something the brain is more capable of being taught/performing. Also it's not that anyone is confusing A for being similar to 6 or 9, it's that the picture is both misleading you to think one triangle is larger(when it is not) and that it is a right triangle with 9 and C as respective hypotenuses. This isn't just intuition, it is fact. 3:2 means one object is larger(and larger is quantifiable via a drawing), and a hypotenuse is the longest side of a triangle(so one shouldn't just intuit that 9 and C are the longest sides, they would be considered silly for thinking otherwise). This question wasn't a math or arithmetic question at all, it was a critical thinking question forcing one to arrive at a wrong answer first(probably either one of sqrt45 or 6 and 1 third) but realizing that can't possibly be correct given the number 8 in comparison to A and a 3:2 ratio(in either direction). can we just respect what a steaming pile of shit this post becomes now then
wat
red is right, except in saying 6 1/3 instead of 5 1/3
On May 14 2014 10:00 Scip wrote:
Does it mean that Nos- LOLing at me makes him look like a total dumbass too? :3
I'm assuming his LOLing at you was more the fact that we had a ton of discussion already that you completely ignored
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On May 14 2014 08:28 red_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2014 07:49 xes wrote:
Actually that's a pretty good question because it forces you to understand similarity. A must be ~ to 8 because the ratio is given as 3/2 so 8 can't be ~ to 6 or be ~ to 9.
Misleading math is great because relying on intuition for math teaches terrible habits because our intuition on math is actually awful. If you could do math with intuition you wouldn't need math.
The argument unstated here is most math people work with should be intuitive and not false-academic-rigorous. But that's not really math, that's arithmetic. I respectfully disagree. Not with the notion that it it is belying intuition and teaching similarity, but I disagree with it being a good question in the context of it being 8th grade math. Take the picture out and ask the question in plain text('Triangle with sides 6, 9, and A is similar at a 3:2 ratio to triangle B, C, and 8, solve for A) if you want to strictly teach similarity. I would expect this at a higher level where critical thinking(sqrt45 is not correct but neither is 6 and 1 third, why is that?) is something the brain is more capable of being taught/performing. Also it's not that anyone is confusing A for being similar to 6 or 9, it's that the picture is both misleading you to think one triangle is larger(when it is not) and that it is a right triangle with 9 and C as respective hypotenuses. This isn't just intuition, it is fact. 3:2 means one object is larger(and larger is quantifiable via a drawing), and a hypotenuse is the longest side of a triangle(so one shouldn't just intuit that 9 and C are the longest sides, they would be considered silly for thinking otherwise). This question wasn't a math or arithmetic question at all, it was a critical thinking question forcing one to arrive at a wrong answer first(probably either one of sqrt45 or 6 and 1 third) but realizing that can't possibly be correct given the number 8 in comparison to A and a 3:2 ratio(in either direction).
Can someone please explain to me where the fuck did 6 and 1 third come from LOL
I guess you do need a calculator to calculate 16/3 over in US hahaha
Dude, it doesn't matter whether you say it's 5.33 or 12, the picture is wrong either way and it's not right triangle either way. It's not about critical thinking in any way it's just a shitty picture making the question unclear.
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On May 14 2014 09:57 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2014 08:28 red_ wrote:On May 14 2014 07:49 xes wrote:
Actually that's a pretty good question because it forces you to understand similarity. A must be ~ to 8 because the ratio is given as 3/2 so 8 can't be ~ to 6 or be ~ to 9.
Misleading math is great because relying on intuition for math teaches terrible habits because our intuition on math is actually awful. If you could do math with intuition you wouldn't need math.
The argument unstated here is most math people work with should be intuitive and not false-academic-rigorous. But that's not really math, that's arithmetic. I respectfully disagree. Not with the notion that it it is belying intuition and teaching similarity, but I disagree with it being a good question in the context of it being 8th grade math. Take the picture out and ask the question in plain text('Triangle with sides 6, 9, and A is similar at a 3:2 ratio to triangle B, C, and 8, solve for A) if you want to strictly teach similarity. I would expect this at a higher level where critical thinking(sqrt45 is not correct but neither is 6 and 1 third, why is that?) is something the brain is more capable of being taught/performing. Also it's not that anyone is confusing A for being similar to 6 or 9, it's that the picture is both misleading you to think one triangle is larger(when it is not) and that it is a right triangle with 9 and C as respective hypotenuses. This isn't just intuition, it is fact. 3:2 means one object is larger(and larger is quantifiable via a drawing), and a hypotenuse is the longest side of a triangle(so one shouldn't just intuit that 9 and C are the longest sides, they would be considered silly for thinking otherwise). This question wasn't a math or arithmetic question at all, it was a critical thinking question forcing one to arrive at a wrong answer first(probably either one of sqrt45 or 6 and 1 third) but realizing that can't possibly be correct given the number 8 in comparison to A and a 3:2 ratio(in either direction). can we just respect what a steaming pile of shit this post becomes now then
How? The picture leads you to believe it's a right triangle(and that the 'smaller' one is the larger one), that's exactly what I take issue with in my post.
Edit: Ya I don't know why I used 6.333, it's 5.33xxx and 6.7xxx and I guess I mixed them up. Should've just gone with 16/3.
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On May 14 2014 10:02 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2014 08:28 red_ wrote:On May 14 2014 07:49 xes wrote:
Actually that's a pretty good question because it forces you to understand similarity. A must be ~ to 8 because the ratio is given as 3/2 so 8 can't be ~ to 6 or be ~ to 9.
Misleading math is great because relying on intuition for math teaches terrible habits because our intuition on math is actually awful. If you could do math with intuition you wouldn't need math.
The argument unstated here is most math people work with should be intuitive and not false-academic-rigorous. But that's not really math, that's arithmetic. I respectfully disagree. Not with the notion that it it is belying intuition and teaching similarity, but I disagree with it being a good question in the context of it being 8th grade math. Take the picture out and ask the question in plain text('Triangle with sides 6, 9, and A is similar at a 3:2 ratio to triangle B, C, and 8, solve for A) if you want to strictly teach similarity. I would expect this at a higher level where critical thinking(sqrt45 is not correct but neither is 6 and 1 third, why is that?) is something the brain is more capable of being taught/performing. Also it's not that anyone is confusing A for being similar to 6 or 9, it's that the picture is both misleading you to think one triangle is larger(when it is not) and that it is a right triangle with 9 and C as respective hypotenuses. This isn't just intuition, it is fact. 3:2 means one object is larger(and larger is quantifiable via a drawing), and a hypotenuse is the longest side of a triangle(so one shouldn't just intuit that 9 and C are the longest sides, they would be considered silly for thinking otherwise). This question wasn't a math or arithmetic question at all, it was a critical thinking question forcing one to arrive at a wrong answer first(probably either one of sqrt45 or 6 and 1 third) but realizing that can't possibly be correct given the number 8 in comparison to A and a 3:2 ratio(in either direction). Can someone please explain to me where the fuck did 6 and 1 third come from LOL I guess you do need a calculator to calculate 16/3 over in US hahaha Dude, it doesn't matter whether you say it's 5.33 or 12, the picture is wrong either way and it's not right triangle either way. It's not about critical thinking in any way it's just a shitty picture making the question unclear.
Scip "Can do grade-school math" the God
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On May 14 2014 10:03 red_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2014 09:57 Slayer91 wrote:On May 14 2014 08:28 red_ wrote:On May 14 2014 07:49 xes wrote:
Actually that's a pretty good question because it forces you to understand similarity. A must be ~ to 8 because the ratio is given as 3/2 so 8 can't be ~ to 6 or be ~ to 9.
Misleading math is great because relying on intuition for math teaches terrible habits because our intuition on math is actually awful. If you could do math with intuition you wouldn't need math.
The argument unstated here is most math people work with should be intuitive and not false-academic-rigorous. But that's not really math, that's arithmetic. I respectfully disagree. Not with the notion that it it is belying intuition and teaching similarity, but I disagree with it being a good question in the context of it being 8th grade math. Take the picture out and ask the question in plain text('Triangle with sides 6, 9, and A is similar at a 3:2 ratio to triangle B, C, and 8, solve for A) if you want to strictly teach similarity. I would expect this at a higher level where critical thinking(sqrt45 is not correct but neither is 6 and 1 third, why is that?) is something the brain is more capable of being taught/performing. Also it's not that anyone is confusing A for being similar to 6 or 9, it's that the picture is both misleading you to think one triangle is larger(when it is not) and that it is a right triangle with 9 and C as respective hypotenuses. This isn't just intuition, it is fact. 3:2 means one object is larger(and larger is quantifiable via a drawing), and a hypotenuse is the longest side of a triangle(so one shouldn't just intuit that 9 and C are the longest sides, they would be considered silly for thinking otherwise). This question wasn't a math or arithmetic question at all, it was a critical thinking question forcing one to arrive at a wrong answer first(probably either one of sqrt45 or 6 and 1 third) but realizing that can't possibly be correct given the number 8 in comparison to A and a 3:2 ratio(in either direction). can we just respect what a steaming pile of shit this post becomes now then How? The picture leads you to believe it's a right triangle(and that the 'smaller' one is the larger one), that's exactly what I take issue with in my post. Edit: Ya I don't know why I used 6.333, it's 5.33xxx and 6.7xxx and I guess I mixed them up. Should've just gone with 16/3.
except if you mean 6 1/3 is 5 1/3 means that 5 1/3 is incorrect when theres no reason why it is if the ratio is in the opposite direction
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Despite this math problem showing how little many of us can do basic math, I'm glad that my anger was justified.
Thank you friends.
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On May 14 2014 10:08 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2014 10:03 red_ wrote:On May 14 2014 09:57 Slayer91 wrote:On May 14 2014 08:28 red_ wrote:On May 14 2014 07:49 xes wrote:
Actually that's a pretty good question because it forces you to understand similarity. A must be ~ to 8 because the ratio is given as 3/2 so 8 can't be ~ to 6 or be ~ to 9.
Misleading math is great because relying on intuition for math teaches terrible habits because our intuition on math is actually awful. If you could do math with intuition you wouldn't need math.
The argument unstated here is most math people work with should be intuitive and not false-academic-rigorous. But that's not really math, that's arithmetic. I respectfully disagree. Not with the notion that it it is belying intuition and teaching similarity, but I disagree with it being a good question in the context of it being 8th grade math. Take the picture out and ask the question in plain text('Triangle with sides 6, 9, and A is similar at a 3:2 ratio to triangle B, C, and 8, solve for A) if you want to strictly teach similarity. I would expect this at a higher level where critical thinking(sqrt45 is not correct but neither is 6 and 1 third, why is that?) is something the brain is more capable of being taught/performing. Also it's not that anyone is confusing A for being similar to 6 or 9, it's that the picture is both misleading you to think one triangle is larger(when it is not) and that it is a right triangle with 9 and C as respective hypotenuses. This isn't just intuition, it is fact. 3:2 means one object is larger(and larger is quantifiable via a drawing), and a hypotenuse is the longest side of a triangle(so one shouldn't just intuit that 9 and C are the longest sides, they would be considered silly for thinking otherwise). This question wasn't a math or arithmetic question at all, it was a critical thinking question forcing one to arrive at a wrong answer first(probably either one of sqrt45 or 6 and 1 third) but realizing that can't possibly be correct given the number 8 in comparison to A and a 3:2 ratio(in either direction). can we just respect what a steaming pile of shit this post becomes now then How? The picture leads you to believe it's a right triangle(and that the 'smaller' one is the larger one), that's exactly what I take issue with in my post. Edit: Ya I don't know why I used 6.333, it's 5.33xxx and 6.7xxx and I guess I mixed them up. Should've just gone with 16/3. except if you mean 6 1/3 is 5 1/3 means that 5 1/3 is incorrect when theres no reason why it is if the ratio is in the opposite direction
5 1/3 would still not be correct if you're assuming a right triangle(because you used the picture as your reference, which is why you worked the ratio as 2:3;A:8), because there can't be a 5.333, 6, 9 right triangle.
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there also can't be a 12, 6, 9 right triangle, whats your point?
if it was a right triangle we wouldn't need the other trinagle for anything because of pythagoras' theorem
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the picture isnt wrong, 90 degree angles have a special notation. If it is absent, then it is not 90 degrees, even in grade school
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On May 14 2014 10:14 Slayer91 wrote:
there also can't be a 12, 6, 9 right triangle, whats your point?
if it was a right triangle we wouldn't need the other trinagle for anything because of pythagoras' theorem
So you're saying you instantly caught on to the picture being misleading because the second triangle was there at all? My instinct was just that there was extra information present(or that the kids don't know Pythag's yet), but that I would still just solve it that way. It wasn't until I realized that working in either direction(3:2 or 2:3) worked with pythag's that I considered the picture was incredibly retarded and neither are right triangles.
Maybe you're just more intelligent than me, I suppose that's what you're fishing for.
On May 14 2014 10:17 LaNague wrote:
the picture isnt wrong, 90 degree angles have a special notation. If it is absent, then it is not 90 degrees, even in grade school
You know what, that's actually true, and I'm far more ashamed about missing that than anything else now.
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