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red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
March 02 2014 06:05 GMT
#26301
I couldn't find hard data, but I know with the old MP system even stacked as fuck people did paragon level grinding on mp2-3 because kill speed > everything else when it comes to getting xp. I'm inclined to think the 25% increase from hard->expert isn't worth the increase in mob hp, and that hard is probably the best for leveling a fresh character solo. Paragon grinding probably best on expert or master if you only want pure levels, but Torment 1 gets you them special loots.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
March 02 2014 06:08 GMT
#26302
I think Torment 1 is the way to go. 400% vs 200% is quite a bit for only ~1 more skill in total kills for me. On torment 4 it takes 5 Frost arrows, on Torment 1 it takes 3, I'm not really sure on the scaling but the only reason I grind on torment 1 is because I don't die to a stiff breeze there, where as if I'm on torment 4 I do.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-02 06:20:14
March 02 2014 06:18 GMT
#26303
Torment 1 is the new MP1-2. 300% extra loot/gold for a minimal amount of difficulty increase. The only reason anyone did higher MPs was for guaranteed likelihood of keys for infernal machines, or to brag (esp MP10).

Kill speed isn't everything, it's about balancing clear speed and movement speed (aka how fast you can move inbetween mobs and through the map), which is why having 12% extra MS on boots is pretty big, and the no-brainer pick for paragon points across all classes is MS. It's just too good.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
March 02 2014 06:20 GMT
#26304
On March 02 2014 15:18 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Torment 1 is the new MP1-2. 300% extra loot/gold for a minimal amount of difficulty increase. The only reason anyone did higher MPs was for guaranteed likelihood of keys for infernal machines, or to brag (esp MP10).

Kill speed isn't everything, it's about balancing kill speed and movement speed (aka how fast you can move inbetween mobs and through the map), which is why having 12% extra MS on boots is pretty big, and the no-brainer pick for paragon points across all classes is MS. It's just too good.


Can you break the cap with Paragon points? I've been putting mine NOT in MS simply because my DH is "Capped" without them.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
March 02 2014 06:23 GMT
#26305
On March 02 2014 15:20 Cixah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 15:18 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Torment 1 is the new MP1-2. 300% extra loot/gold for a minimal amount of difficulty increase. The only reason anyone did higher MPs was for guaranteed likelihood of keys for infernal machines, or to brag (esp MP10).

Kill speed isn't everything, it's about balancing kill speed and movement speed (aka how fast you can move inbetween mobs and through the map), which is why having 12% extra MS on boots is pretty big, and the no-brainer pick for paragon points across all classes is MS. It's just too good.


Can you break the cap with Paragon points? I've been putting mine NOT in MS simply because my DH is "Capped" without them.

I think the cap is only for equipment: skills and shrines don't affect the cap, to my knowledge.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 02 2014 06:37 GMT
#26306
On March 02 2014 15:18 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Torment 1 is the new MP1-2. 300% extra loot/gold for a minimal amount of difficulty increase. The only reason anyone did higher MPs was for guaranteed likelihood of keys for infernal machines, or to brag (esp MP10).

Kill speed isn't everything, it's about balancing clear speed and movement speed (aka how fast you can move inbetween mobs and through the map), which is why having 12% extra MS on boots is pretty big, and the no-brainer pick for paragon points across all classes is MS. It's just too good.

I've just been doing Act 1 Quest 3 Torment 6 runs for XP. It's pretty damn good for paragon XP, also got a few legendary drops from doing it as well. It seems to be the most popular one right now.

Otherwise I solo farm some stuff at torment 1-2.
liftlift > tsm
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
March 02 2014 08:53 GMT
#26307
Legendary drops are friggin nuts now.
Almost caught up to Soniv/Shelke now, despite almost fucking suiciding because I entered the Belial fight alone in a 4 player Hard mode party.
Level 33 wooooo
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 02 2014 08:58 GMT
#26308
Are you guys doing hardcore? I don't have the heart to olay hardmode. I'd be too sad.
liftlift > tsm
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
March 02 2014 09:01 GMT
#26309
On March 02 2014 17:58 wei2coolman wrote:
Are you guys doing hardcore? I don't have the heart to olay hardmode. I'd be too sad.

Yup.
I had basically resigned myself to losing my barb.
Would have probably stopped playing lol
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
March 02 2014 09:02 GMT
#26310
Hardcore mode is simply about not dying and know which mobs you actually can and cannot kill.

Or just being unkillable and tanky as shit and jumping into 50+ mobs and grinding them out eventually. This is the plan I chose.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 02 2014 09:07 GMT
#26311
I hate the idea of running away. Fuck that shit. Also progression is so damn slow in hardcore.
liftlift > tsm
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
March 02 2014 09:10 GMT
#26312
On March 02 2014 18:07 wei2coolman wrote:
I hate the idea of running away. Fuck that shit. Also progression is so damn slow in hardcore.


I had this mentality until I lost my first character at 59 in Hell mode before the nerf. Never again.

Protip, Always run from Jailer Deso Plagued. Add molten for real sadness.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-02 09:15:25
March 02 2014 09:12 GMT
#26313
On March 02 2014 18:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 17:58 wei2coolman wrote:
Are you guys doing hardcore? I don't have the heart to olay hardmode. I'd be too sad.

Yup.
I had basically resigned myself to losing my barb.
Would have probably stopped playing lol


lol sorry about that wave. That was completely my fault. I didn't hit accept since I was checking skill build. Then somehow, you ended up in there alone due to me not communicating it clearly that I hit cancel.

Hardcore is fun, and hard mode makes it a lot more interesting. The drops also seem to be much better from Normal -> Hard, but I don't know if it's actually something that happens. It sure feels like it though. I'm very surprised at how fast LordTolkien, Wave, and red leveled up with that 4 man group there too. We started out with me at level 34, and the rest at around 22-24. By the time I left, almost everyone was from 33-37(my memory is too fuzzy to remember exact levels)
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 02 2014 09:17 GMT
#26314
Any nondodgeable cc is instant run away in hardcore. Or any of the teleport guys in act 3 with walls and desolate makes me so sad. But even now after playing like 10hrs on this RoS patch. It's not nearly as infuriating as inferno was on release (esp as monk, like it was the worst class hands down). Reflect damage was always on and multiplied, arcane would 1 shot your ass, actually scratch that. Everything one shotted your ass.
liftlift > tsm
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35157 Posts
March 02 2014 09:32 GMT
#26315
On March 02 2014 17:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
Legendary drops are friggin nuts now.
Almost caught up to Soniv/Shelke now, despite almost fucking suiciding because I entered the Belial fight alone in a 4 player Hard mode party.
Level 33 wooooo

A friend of mine found a legendary on a booshelf. Now he's doing the "check/destroy everything" method.
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
March 02 2014 09:40 GMT
#26316
On March 02 2014 18:32 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 17:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
Legendary drops are friggin nuts now.
Almost caught up to Soniv/Shelke now, despite almost fucking suiciding because I entered the Belial fight alone in a 4 player Hard mode party.
Level 33 wooooo

A friend of mine found a legendary on a booshelf. Now he's doing the "check/destroy everything" method.


This is 100% the correct method to do in the new patch
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 02 2014 09:45 GMT
#26317
On March 02 2014 18:32 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 17:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
Legendary drops are friggin nuts now.
Almost caught up to Soniv/Shelke now, despite almost fucking suiciding because I entered the Belial fight alone in a 4 player Hard mode party.
Level 33 wooooo

A friend of mine found a legendary on a booshelf. Now he's doing the "check/destroy everything" method.

I got like 2 legendaries from breakables so far. Neither are Best in Slot for me, but I've gotten like only 1 legendary from rare / elite mobs. Gotten like 8 legendaries from solo Azmodan torment 1 and Act 1 quest 3 torment 6 runs.

Got a 500 dex 500 vit dead man's legacy, which completely rekt my legacy dead man's legacy.
liftlift > tsm
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-02 09:51:33
March 02 2014 09:50 GMT
#26318
On March 02 2014 17:58 wei2coolman wrote:
Are you guys doing hardcore? I don't have the heart to olay hardmode. I'd be too sad.

Join the TL clan. I'm up for softcore too. wat ur id yo.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
March 02 2014 09:52 GMT
#26319
I found a legendary orb that makes ray of frost pierce enemies. I will forego my standard "always use shields" hardcore strategy to do the billion damages.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
March 02 2014 10:25 GMT
#26320
Think I am going to stick with my non hardcore monk..Demon hunter just isn't as fun as the run into the huge pack and shout bear bear bear while killing them all.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
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