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On July 28 2013 09:58 NeoIllusions wrote:
For those of you who said Skype setup was awkward, how was awkward? My team seemed to be ok with the setup.
As for team comp, my team just picked what they wanted and it seemed to work out in term of team synergy. Your team (Cho Jax Vayne Janna Lux) was ok. Was it really that bad?
Well for starters, at first we invited somebody on the other team into our call. Then it took us several minutes to actually get all 5 of us in the call.
Secondly, skype significantly lowers the sound of other programs by default, which makes playing a little awkward.
Thirdly, we weren't able to talk to people on the other team before and after the game and actually discuss the game.
Finally, at one point I disconnected for like 5 seconds and had to alt tab to get back into the call.
Teamspeak would fix all that.
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Anyway, I'm not really sure what to say about my lane as the early tower push pretty much screwed over my laning phase.
I didn't die as well, so I can't really comment on that.
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On July 28 2013 10:01 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 09:54 upperbound wrote:On July 28 2013 09:53 NeoIllusions wrote:On July 28 2013 09:41 upperbound wrote:Top Lane -- Kennen v. Jax - Jax started a trade right at 6; we were both full HP after basing. I decided to all-in, though I wasn't sure if I would be successful, with a very slight minion advantage. I easily won the all in, and was able to secure a kill with flash->WQ.
- Jax did a good job putting on map pressure while I took top tower, and I was slow to react going mid on one occasion after the tower was down. I put too much priority on keeping a big minion wave away from my tower about a minute before a dragon fight, when I should have gone bot to be with my team in advance.
- I really, REALLY need to be more careful while backing. Once, I got sniped by Lux ult, and another time, I cleared an extra wave many waves and got caught by Jax with TF movespeed.
- I think I need to work on transitioning out of early game into team movement -- I felt more comfortable once we were moving/making decisions as 5.
My biggest issue with your Kennen was knowing when to group. Jax, more or less, would avoid you in lane, especially after his turret was down. This meant Jax would group with his team earlier. You should shove lane back whenever it pushed onto our side then immediately move towards the team. For as strong as you are, you didn't need to be in top lane that long. Graves split push priority #1. The main reason you should group instead of split push is because of your ulti. That big Dragon fight, I called for focus on Vayne, you especially should go for her since you were one of the few hard CC we had. Yeah, I 100% agree about knowing when to group up, and I think my last bullet was meant to cover that. I did go on Vayne in that dragon fight, but couldn't keep following up after she flashed over the wall and I was pretty low, so I went back onto Lux. Was your Flash down? Vayne Flashed onto the cliff and I Flashed after her but apparently no one else did. XD If I'm fully committed on sticking to the ADC, you should follow up. I don't think she could reach you as long as you didn't get into her range when her Tumble is up. If she Tumbles to create space away from Xin, you're safe. Lastly, watch when you activate your ultimate, there were a few times where you triggered it a second or two too early.
Yeah, I flash ulted in the fight to get on Vayne in the first place, so I didn't have flash to follow up on the flash over the wall. This might have been a mistake. I think I should have communicated that I couldn't keep going to you, but I didn't think I had time to go around and still do anything.
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I felt like in general we did a really poor job of protecting Vayne.
I think some of it was the comp and Jax not really fitting in well. He couldn't dive because he had nobody to dive with, he doesn't really want to be peeling, etc. A lot of that was our fault though because Jax was first pick.
A lot of it also was I know in at least two of our teamfights Vayne and the rest of the team backed away in different directions, which lead to Vayne getting killed in the retreat.
Communication was a huge problem for us, just in general. Cho and I didn't really have any sort of synergy going on.
My problems were mostly related to just getting caught like a moron when I didn't need to get caught like a moron, methinks.
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Where's dat replay?
Also, while I agree team comps favored us, I don't think it was as bad as you think it was Ketarah. The problem is you guys didn't have a solid plan and you tried to overcompensate knowing that Gragas tends to beat Lux by being extremely aggressive early, and didn't deviate from that after you used your flash (or really just wanted cs), which resulted in an extremely easy kill. This gave a pretty big advantage to me, and ultimately we leveraged that into several dragons and team fight wins (not that it was the only factor leading to that, but it was part of it).
Team comps were:
Kennen/Xin/Gragas/Graves/Zyra
versus
Jax/Cho'gath/Lux/Vayne/Janna
So looking at these team comps, you guys are extremely hard pressed to win a 5v5, especially if your team is trying to move forward. Between Xin and Kennen, we can lock down anyone trying to advance on Graves, and Gragas ult is a threat to completely split your team. If Jax goes in by himself, Gragas just bodyslams him and now he can't get to Graves again until leapstrike is up again. Our team also had good diving capabilities, but Janna's ult offsets our ability to do that cleanly, to a degree.
However, Jax is excellent at split pushing, and given you have Lux, Cho, and Janna, you can wave clear instantly (especially if Cho maxes his Q relatively early). This means you can stall nearly indefinitely for Jax. Jax, Lux, and Vayne scale well enough that if you stall the game out and aim for the late game, the game will slowly start to swing in your favor provided no one gets picked off.
You have to recognize you need to make it late to win and adjust how you play according. Even ignoring team comps, that should have been your strategy given the matchup. You played extremely far up in the lane starting at level 1, which is incredibly dangerous without any wards, and Gragas has enough sustain that he's going to shrug off most of it anyways. Gragas also doesn't really have to worry about dying provided he doesn't get snared at an inopportune time, because Cho is never going to hit him with a rupture unless he's silenced or locked in place already.
So you need to play extremely far back and play as safely as you can, while telling Cho to spend the bulk of his time elsewhere unless you're in danger of getting tower dived.
Also you guys spent a lot of time dawdling around mid as 4 or 5, when there wasn't any way you were knocking down the tower due to Gragas wave clear. Your side lanes missed out on a lot of farm, and didn't accomplish an awful lot. I would have gotten an oracles and started clearing your jungle of wards and just farmed up at that point.
We handled the Jax split push poorly in spite of our advantage- at one point we won a fight but Jax was going for our inhib tower. We had 4 people low and me at nearly full health, and we didn't have a wave for like 15-20 seconds to kill the inhib tower, so Jax was going to reach our inhib tower first so someone should have backed to deal with him, but not me (if no one backed, he probably would have gotten the tower- and while we probably would have gotten an inhib, no reason to trade objectives when we're this far ahead imo). Then I got greedy after stopping his recall and tried to all in him, but was stupid and got stunned. Still had my flash up too. -_-
Beyond this, I'd need a replay to delve into specifics.
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Please be gentle :O
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For Mid: TF/Orianna/Karthus
For Top: Vlad/Aatrox
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played an in house
blue side
cait nami vs elise (swap lane )
did all right before lane swap started
we got the first turret and the second kill. (lee sin ended up dieing but elise didn't get any gold)
we then went bottom, and helped get 2 kills on their bot lane and went for dragon over the turret.
made a bad call around dragon :/ 4 died for dragon
after that i couldn't keep myself in good position and died a bunch needlessly
edit
maybe we should have a separate thread to post thoughts and stuff about games.
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Crap, I totally missed this  , Will this be happening again, idk if I can get on again.
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@z0r I was getting errors on the upload before, I'll host it at mediafire if it keeps up. Posting on my phone right now at a red light waiting for my gf, will post thoughts on 2nd in house I played in when I get home.
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On July 28 2013 10:14 GTR wrote:
July 27th, 5 PM
Top: GTR v Nidalee
Jungle: 5HITCOMBO v xes
Mid: Ahri v Jayce
AD: Graves v Caitlyn
Sup: Sona v Nami
sorry i forgot all your tl names l0l
i was the graves
wish we had that one recorded
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Gold 2
- If you are a lowbie (Gold or below), include what position you would be interested in working on. (List two)
Mid and Top
- For each role, identify two champions you wish to improve on
Top: Kennen, Kha'Zix
Mid: Xerath, Lissandra
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Borne
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Yes, ADC/Middo
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ADC: Twitch, Vayne
Mid: Orianna, Nidalee
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Top / ADC
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Leesing/Elise Vayne/Trist
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played an inhouse
purple side
was elise facing against caityln+nami because they switched lanes.
got harassed early and towerdived. Lee sin died but i got no kill, and then caityln killed me.
Farmed up then zoned kennen a little when they switched after getting my tower.
After a few minutes my team kept catching/initiating the enemy team and kept doing well.
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Gold 3(highest is gold 1)
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Thresh, Nami
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July 27th, 4 PM
AD: Helspeth v checkers
Sup: Omnom v misder
Vayne/Janna vs Graves/Zyra
- I think I played too passive in lane. I wasn't willing to use spells in lane, and I was nearly at full mana at all times. I also took free harass without doing anything. I think I should be using my plants to zone/harass in lane, which I did none of.
- Teamfights went okay, though I don't know when to use Q and W. I feel like I need to use my W with my E for plants, and then use my ult on the plants, spamming Q during my cooldowns. This game, I focused on landing good ults rather than trying to combo correctly.
- I need to work on warding, using my seeds for vision, and keeping timers.
Please correct me if my analysis is wrong; I'm new to Zyra xD
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In house game
July 27th 10:45pm (eastern)
- Top OMnomnomnomn v Flakes
- Mid red8D v MCMilo
- Jungle Helspeth v Heart Buster
- ADC StorrZerg v Borne
- Support Karma P0lice v NubPanCakes
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On July 28 2013 11:30 Heart Buster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 10:14 GTR wrote:
July 27th, 5 PM
Top: GTR v Nidalee
Jungle: 5HITCOMBO v xes
Mid: Ahri v Jayce
AD: Graves v Caitlyn
Sup: Sona v Nami
sorry i forgot all your tl names l0l i was the graves wish we had that one recorded
I have the lolreplay for it but it doesn't want to behave
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