[NA IHs] Running at Dusk - Page 10

On July 28 2013 12:06 upperbound wrote:
Sorry for the double post, but here is the replay of the very first TL In house (Kennen/Xin/Gragas/Graves/Zyra v. Jax/Cho/Lux/Vayne/Janna)

http://www.mediafire.com/download/v83lwip46mlr6dv/UpperB_-_Kennen_(19).lrf

On July 28 2013 13:41 Lmui wrote:


This inhouse. Mainly my perspective since I don't have lolreplay.

Taric mid - Boots was surprising. (I thought it would be jayce mid taric top) but besides that, point and click CC with that much base MS is unfair midlane =(. Probably want to farm jungle more since IIRC, he was down ~80cs at 20 mins.Good counterpick since I was expecting to be able to just cs melees with autoattacks and Q you. (Boots make that very difficult to do)
Lee Sin Jungle - Very good ganks, shut me down rather hard early-mid game since I didn't have a ward. Was especially painful since I didn't have enough money for tear until the second time I died. Probably want to save ulti in teamfights to get me out of your team after about 25 mins since defile does so much damage later on.
Jayce Top - Dueling - If you're choosing your fight, W about 3s before you go in in ranged form. You can QE, 3x auto, auto W-> switch forms and combo or just stay in ranged form. 6-7 muramana empowered autoattacks generally wins duels. LW is probably something you want to grab earlier.
Janna - You need to focus a bit more on vision control. Even if it means you need to be squishier, skip the ruby crystal for an oracle if leona has one. With an oracles, you don't really need to buy pinks anymore if the other team doesn't have a stealthed character.
Graves - Lategame, there's going to be absolutely nothing you can do against a karthus flashing in, exhausting/walling you and then gibbing you. A good bit of that is due to just needing more farm. If you had more farm you could get a QSS to back up the barrier. There's no way you're running away, even with flash+E so it's better to eat the defile, pop barrier, dodge skittles and try to duel me down if your team can't get me away from you.
Leona - Good vision control, but way too ballsy with the Dora the explorer to get vision. If anything touches you while you have mobi's, especailly if you're miles deep in our jungle you're dead. You should get your team before you go that deep (Unless of course you're replacing wards in which case that's fine since you had mobis and no one on our team did.

On July 28 2013 14:08 Umasi wrote:



Hell yeah, leading the enforcer squad
regardless
I think that you adapted to situation quite well. It actually wasn't a counterpick to your karthus, since I first picked him and we were like "go taric go"
tbth, I would actually pick karthus into that BECAUSE taric can't stop you from csing. Placing a ward to one side and then trying to range from the other side would have been a good idea though.

Otherwise I agree with your thoughts

On July 28 2013 13:52 Flakes wrote:
game5

(I always forget to ss the endgame lobby)
Ashe+Zyra bot, Liss mid, Lee jungle, Rumble top
vs
Cait+Thresh bot, Brand mid, Nasus jungle, Cho top

I went Cho since I've been meaning to pick up a safepick tankyAP top and I don't really like playing Singed/Malph (tho I'm willing to play Malph as a counterpick). My lane went well with a first blood on Rumble thanks to Nasus gank. Rumble TP'd back to lane and began pushing again without a ward and died to another gank. I bought a chalice with the plan of just afk farming, but since Rumble stayed pushed Nasus went top again for his third gank and was successful. I didn't learn too much from the lane because it was kinda lopsided, but got some practice at my Cho mechanics which are pretty sloppy (I still died once to Rumble 1v1).

Midgame we found out how much Ashe+Zyra+the rest of their team pooped on our melee tanks I had a grail + bulwark at this point, and cdr boots which I quickly realized was dumb and sold them for merc's/started FH. From my haven't-watched-the-replay-yet perspective, it just seemed like teamfight after teamfight of being kited to death by Ashe/Liss/Zyra. I would have focused more on peeling than chasing, but Milo(Brand) tended to just throw his combo at the nearest enemy and lag to death, while Borne(Cait)... I don't know what he was up to and I probably should have paid more attention to him. I did get the impression that keeping melee off him wasn't the problem in fights after one where we instagibbed Lee and still lost 5v4 from pure kiting.

So I guess I learned about Cho's weaknesses and that I need to think more about team comps. imma watch the replay and probably learn a lot more things.

replay: http://www.2shared.com/file/EHhdAL-v/TL_inhouse_5__2013-07-27_.html

On July 28 2013 14:39 Umasi wrote:
there's no particular reason to use hammer form swings, to my knowledge.

On July 28 2013 15:37 GhandiEAGLE wrote:

I wanted to get the bonus MR and Armor from hammer form asap

On July 28 2013 16:35 Perplex wrote:
Is there going to be one tomorrow?

On July 28 2013 13:49 zer0das wrote:


Okay, here's my analysis, paying attention to mid lane and teamfights:

1. You guys dealt with the invade okay, but Janna shouldn't have been warding our blue on her own.
2. Keterah, you shoved the lane up enough I could take Drunken Rage second and be fine. If you don't do that I have to get body slam second for safety and run out of mana a lot more quickly. That's after I got to lane first.
3. I hit you with 2 consecutive barrels while you were standing on the minion wave, and then following that you walked into body slam rage as you crossed all the way into my third of the lane, right as Xin was coming to gank. Burned your flash and got you quite low.
4. From about 4 minutes right up until Xin arrives, you're simultaneously shoving the wave with your E while autoing me. With no flash while you're very low. While I was low, you had absolutely no mana and very little health, so this kill was completely free. You should have backed sooner. I was hugging the left side as much as I could because I knew you placed a ward somewhere around there and was trying to push you towards the left side while Xin was coming in. You knew Cho was at wraithes, so I suspect you felt comfortable doing exactly what I wanted you to, but it was a trap.
5. Around 6:40 I tried to kick you into my tower with my ult, but missed ever so slightly and kicked you away. You responded by walking forward. You didn't have vision on my blue side, and you couldn't really accomplish anything even with my ult down. If Xin were lurking (and often times when a Gragas ults, their jungler will be nearby), you would have been dead because you walked forward.
6. First dragon is at 13 minutes. I blew my ult somewhat blindly trying to keep Cho and Lux away and missed them both. It did buy enough time to take the dragon and then get away with Zyra ult (which was pretty clutch Zyra ult).
7. Around 14:30, Cho feasts blue because he's worried about me stealing it. Barrels don't give vision and we didn't have a ward. Then you tried to bind me while I was in the bushes, but got in body slam range. This was a crucial mistake, because it let me land a barrel and then explosive cask you and Cho apart, which meant Cho couldn't help you at all.
8. Neo dies because I'm not paying attention to our wraithes at all, and the junglers are severely underleveld. Whoops.
9. 16 minutes in, we contest your red. We have vision and I kick Cho into our team and he dies outright. Jax could have walked away but decided stunning people would be a good idea. Manages to get away anyways.
10. Janna really shouldn't be warding by herself when all 5 of us just showed up in your jungle and she has no idea where we're at.
11. 20 minutes another dragon fight breaks out. I get stunned and silenced. I could have ulted sooner, but was focusing on getting dragon. Even so I get my damage off on Cho and Jax, and kick Cho towards Graves when he's super low. Graves cleans up.
12. 23:30 we have a really weird fight. Kennen gets a turret out of it, so even though Neo dies, its fine.
13. 25 minutes I catch Lux and ult her back into us. Easy kill.
14. 26 minutes in and some change, for some reason Neo engages after telling me to back so Zyra dies. You guys get a dragon out of this, but I told them to go in because I'd get there in time. Ended up killing quite a few of you, although Kennen getting lasered at the end wasn't so great.
15. 31:30, I backed when someone else should have. Meh. Me overestimating myself and screwing up a lot mechanically.
16. 33 minutes, big dragon fight. Given the huge deficit, not much you guys could do to win this. Game is pretty much over after this and a baron.

So points 3, 4, and 7 were the crucial mistakes as far as mid lane goes. That 1k-2k gold difference was pretty much all that separated us the entire game, but it let me dictate the lane and teamfights to a large degree. I've suggested it in the past, but I think you should at least try Gragas until you know him well enough that you have a better idea of what you can get away with against him as Lux. That's originally how I got into him- I got sick of the fat dude smashing my face in. He's pretty similar to Lux despite being melee, he just trades utility for the knockback on his ult and mobility. His q is pretty much Lux's e but it does a lot more damage and it's on a lower cooldown (and it doesn't give vision, but it does have an attack speed slow). Because when you were doing points 3 and 4 I was thinking "I'm not exactly sure what he's thinking, but I'm pretty sure I would never do this based on what I know about the matchup."

Also I counted the number of times you got hit by my barrels while sitting in a minion wave. 14 at least, and most of those are in the first 15 minutes of the game and each one of those barrels chunks you for like 1/3rd-1/4th your health if you don't cast your shield in time. That's almost 1 per minute. So you have to back every 3 minutes approximately ignoring potions and flask.