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New inhouse logistics TBD. In the meantime, feel free to hang out in the league general discord https://discord.gg/0lCEKA3jUEFxERzd ("add lol" in #welcome) and get some ad-hoc games going! | ||
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Cr4zyH0r5e
Peru1308 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Having played 1000 ranked games this season I can say I've been in 2v1 situations probably somewhere between 5 and 10 times. Less than 1% but it does happen. I agree with the sentiment that learning how to 1v1 and 2v2 is more important, but I think with games happening every day there's more than enough room to work some themes into a schedule. | ||
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yawn
Canada200 Posts
Also, lane swaps don't really help an individual player as much as it helps the synergy between players... with rosters being swapped around every game i don't believe theres much to be gained. If you want to practice cs'ing in 2v1 lanes you can do that with 3 people, the mechanics outside of that are negligable and don't require the 5v5 atmosphere. | ||
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remedium
United States939 Posts
1. Lane swaps happened with relatively frequency in the early days of these Neohauses. We attempted LCS level coordination with like, level 3 jungler dives and shit. It was awesome. It also resulted in massive stomps if one team wasn't prepared to play out a 2v1 strategy. Realistically, it also doesn't really help lower level players improve their overall game, because they will probably only run into a handful of 2v1s in yoloQ. That said, I think really obvious lane swap situations (Vlad v Shen) are totally understandable in these games, and the team making the counterpick should anticipate it happening and be prepared to react accordingly. 2. Last night featured some of the best games, advice, and post-game analysis I've seen to date. During the games, the higher level players were offering solid advice and being really supportive. After the games, we managed to limit dumping on Kissblade's mistakes to ~5 minutes, and the rest of the time was spent providing constructive advice to the lower Elo guys. I think TFS, SNM, and the other bronze/silver guys made some decent improvement throughout the matches, and definitely kept a positive mindset. 3. My deepest sympathies to pandabeargod for ganking your lane 11 times in 5 minutes. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
These *specific* scenarios don't happen that often in solo queue (Heimerdinger, 2v1s, etc.). But the general scenario of "I've never seen this shit before so I need to know how to play with/against it based purely on logic and game understanding" does. The question is whether most players in these inhouses actually are at the level where such an exercise would be meaningful. My personal feeling is that it would be meaningful at any level, but Neo disagrees. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On October 12 2013 02:21 yawn wrote: I've only encountered lane swaps 4 or 5 times in 1500 ranked games. I don't believe its something that should be worked on especially since we don't run static 5-man teams. There is too much desparity in skill to have lane swaps not cause a crazy snowball on one side. Teams barely have enough time or communication to figure out a team comp in most games. Also, lane swaps don't really help an individual player as much as it helps the synergy between players... with rosters being swapped around every game i don't believe theres much to be gained. If you want to practice cs'ing in 2v1 lanes you can do that with 3 people, the mechanics outside of that are negligable and don't require the 5v5 atmosphere. I think looking at laneswap scenarios from the 2v1 perspective isn't where you look at it to see if people are learning valuable skills. What's really important is to learn how to 1v2, and you don't need team synergy to learn that. You just need to play in a 1v2 lane a few times. Lots of champions have an extremely different gameflow in 1v2 as opposed to 1v1, they skill differently and buy different items and everything. | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
however the biggest difference between players who can adapt very quickly to new champions and playstyles and those who struggle with such changes etc. in my personal experiences tends to be the level of deeper thought they put / have in the game. general map movements, how something affects power curves of champions (and how that affects the game as a result) and the whole shebang. this can be a strong point of certain players, but as a whole individual mechanical outplays and just a general sense of this deeper thought is enough to win games in solo queue and are thus emphasized more in that mode. i think the point of these inhouses is to practice this deeper thinking, and fleshing through (and providing reasoning for) 1v2s and invades and strange picks that are played well epitomize that deeper thought process. for example, when i came back from korea and started playing a little bit after an effective 4 month hiatus, it only took me a a day in solo queue to get back to stomping players in lane and winning games. however my performance in the first few inhouses were abysmal, and im still (re)learning a lot more from these games despite having a higher skill and experience level than the norm because despite having that deeper thought process in my subconscious i haven't actively used it in a real time scenario (arranged play) in a very long time. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On October 12 2013 02:21 remedium wrote: dumping on Kissblade's mistakes for ~5 minutes Imo, needs to be longer. Also, my generic advice to lower elo players would be "Guys, we need to go homme". It's better to die trying than to die running away and not learn anything at all. Don't be afraid of messing up. I'd rather see someone with balls that confirms every Q who learns his boundaries and his damage than someone who runs and dies and is afraid of making mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes. Just be a man. | ||
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silencefc
United States875 Posts
I see a lot of silver players being way too scared of committing to a fight that's already started. Also, never die with your back to the enemy unless you're buying time for a specific reason. Learning to accept when you're not getting away makes you a better asset in team fights. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
Gotta feed lvl 3 Shen double kill and double b uffs NP. | ||
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exuals
2 Posts
- Ingame name "Daraugho" - Rank and division Silver 3 - If you are a lowbie (Gold or below), include what position you would be interested in working on. (List two) ADC/SUPP - For each role, identify two champions you wish to improve on Vayne, Caitlyn & Nami, Sona. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On October 12 2013 02:49 Navi wrote: for example, when i came back from korea and started playing a little bit after an effective 4 month hiatus, it only took me a a day in solo queue to get back to stomping players in lane and winning games. however my performance in the first few inhouses were abysmal, and im still (re)learning a lot more from these games despite having a higher skill and experience level than the norm because despite having that deeper thought process in my subconscious i haven't actively used it in a real time scenario (arranged play) in a very long time. Well I should point out that we balance around you (as the best IH player) a lot for these inhouses. | ||
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yawn
Canada200 Posts
On October 12 2013 02:46 Ketara wrote: I think looking at laneswap scenarios from the 2v1 perspective isn't where you look at it to see if people are learning valuable skills. What's really important is to learn how to 1v2, and you don't need team synergy to learn that. You just need to play in a 1v2 lane a few times. Lots of champions have an extremely different gameflow in 1v2 as opposed to 1v1, they skill differently and buy different items and everything. Which is why i said a 2v1 lane can be practiced by 3 people. Are we practicing for solo queue lane swaps or ranked 5s lane swaps? Solo queue lane swaps are 90% on the jungler to know whats going on and praying someone doesn't derp. Ranked 5s lane swaps are about teamwork/synergy, communication and rotation strats. I'm just saying these in-houses are not the right environment to practice for lane swaps because the environment is not the same as what you'd get in solo queue nor in ranked 5s. | ||
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Eleldith
2 Posts
- Ingame name Eleldith - Rank and division Provisional - If you are a lowbie (Gold or below), include what position you would be interested in working on. (List two) Jungle Support - For each role, identify two champions you wish to improve on Jungle: Eve, Nasus Support: Nami, Zyra, | ||
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Nufo
United States186 Posts
- Ingame name Nufo - Rank and division Gold 1 - If you are a lowbie (Gold or below), include what position you would be interested in working on. (List two) Top/Jungle - For each role, identify two champions you wish to improve on Top: Jax, Nasus Jungle: Lee Sin, Nasus | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On October 12 2013 02:55 Roffles wrote: + Show Spoiler + On October 12 2013 02:21 remedium wrote: dumping on Kissblade's mistakes for ~5 minutes Imo, needs to be longer. Also, my generic advice to lower elo players would be "Guys, we need to go homme". It's better to die trying than to die running away and not learn anything at all. Don't be afraid of messing up. I'd rather see someone with balls that confirms every Q who learns his boundaries and his damage than someone who runs and dies and is afraid of making mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes. Just be a man. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGMN-gNfdaY Roffles we dont always get along. But the moment i saw that title my first reaction was that i had to link that song. Well played sir. You did what I would have done. | ||
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
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TFS
United States53 Posts
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remedium
United States939 Posts
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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