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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 23 2012 18:52 GMT
#4981
On August 24 2012 03:51 seanisgrand wrote:
"Garen jungle is really strong now"

Dies to blue.

Trust him, he watched a Stonewall video on it.
It's your boy Guzma!
seanisgrand
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1039 Posts
August 23 2012 18:54 GMT
#4982
He doesn't even gank. He just walks into lane so he can die.
This is well below quality expected of a post in any forum. -Empyrean
Hakanfrog
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden690 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-23 19:11:26
August 23 2012 19:08 GMT
#4983
I´m fucking done with this game. Forever.

I continued playing after my friends stopped playing since I loved the game. But this piece of shit community is more than I can fucking handle. People who fuck up and blame the team. Motherfucking clarity nidalee supports. What the fuck is wrong with people. Not to mention how every player ever just blames other because they are so fucked up in the head they can´t realize how bad they are. I´m not saying I´m fucking good, but atleast I can admit to my own misstakes. This post is fucking embarrassing but I really can´t help myself from venting this shit out.
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
August 23 2012 22:40 GMT
#4984
Ranked today is full of trolls LOL I thought the kids were back in school already

-Double Jungle, where our last pick Nunu follows around our jungle alistar counterjungling his own teammate with consume
-Jungler afks for 10 mins, bot lane loses 3 turrets+inhibit in 15 minutes
-AD carries that fight in melee range of bruisers, 0 kiting
-AD carries who build BT + PD and do no damage to tanky team
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6215 Posts
August 24 2012 00:16 GMT
#4985
Ugh, ranked is full of trolls.

I decided to play AD and 1/6 games, I've had a proper support. Every other game has been evelyn support, tristana support, randomed support, afk support and the like. Guess what. Jarvan support who buys a ward boots+pot at beginning and then doesn't place ward until 9 minutes after TWO FUCKING GANKS. Aye, I'm even on CS but when jarvan ultis someone and they run to the far side, I can't fucking hit them as sivir. I either have to flash in to even attempt to touch them or else walk around his ulti, both of which are retarded scenarios.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 24 2012 03:44 GMT
#4986
If you pick Blitz support, do something with him. Don't just sit and hug the turret 24/7 and then pull minions. It wasn't even like they were missed pulls, he just grabbed minions on the other side of lane from the Graves.

And then he decided to help the enemy by pulling Swain and Amumu nonstop for free initiates. But bitched constantly at our Morde because obviously his shit play wasn't his own fault.

Sigh. Can't 1v2 lane Graves/Soraka.
It's your boy Guzma!
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
August 24 2012 03:46 GMT
#4987
On August 24 2012 07:40 MooMooMugi wrote:
Ranked today is full of trolls LOL I thought the kids were back in school already

-Double Jungle, where our last pick Nunu follows around our jungle alistar counterjungling his own teammate with consume
-Jungler afks for 10 mins, bot lane loses 3 turrets+inhibit in 15 minutes
-AD carries that fight in melee range of bruisers, 0 kiting
-AD carries who build BT + PD and do no damage to tanky team

FWIW kids in my town don't start school until next wednesday
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 04:26:40
August 24 2012 04:25 GMT
#4988
Oh Diana, sure, overextend when the enemy Lee jungle has 2 kills and an early DBlade. It's fine if you give him 3 more and then get 0 farm because every time you show up to lane you die. That's cool.

Blame everyone else for feeding when you're 0-6 and there are only 8 deaths on our team? Cool story bro.

And of course complain about a lack of ganks when all of your deaths have been diving Ryze under his tower becuase "Diana beats Ryze". Man, I totally should have ganked under his turret, my bad.
It's your boy Guzma!
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
August 24 2012 04:34 GMT
#4989
THIS STUPID GODDAMN INTERNET DISCONNECTED ME DURING A LATEGAME TOWERDIVE WHERE I WAS LEADING AND HAD MY GA

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zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
August 24 2012 06:32 GMT
#4990
Sometimes I really love how volatile top lane is. It's like, I'm 0-8 because their jungler camped me all day long, why the heck is our bot lane 0-8!?!

And I don't have to feel tooo bad about it. Although it still sucks. :/
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
August 24 2012 08:45 GMT
#4991
k guys i need some really good advice. dropped 250 elo since last week. had a couple bad games in there tbh. now under 1.4k and it feels really awkward. I have spotted a couple weaknesses in my play:

1. I don't really feel the love with alot of roles. my favs are suppor and ap carry. I would LOVE to play only support and ap. But when I dont get the ap spot I often end up not picking support because it can be extremely frustrating. Not because I think my ad carries are worse than me (there are a couple of those but most ppl are good enough for me to adapt to them for both our benefit), but because I really tilt when they misbehave, doing shitty calls, telling me what to do when etc and generally flame. There are ppl who have 'ideas' that are very far from just plain common sense. the carries that would misbehave are in 99% the carries who have big ass holes in their play like bad CS or random/stupid trading or even not trading when they could etc. I generally don't say much though.

2. I don't know how to play from behind: from sc2 I know you have to take risks to play from behind, like all-ins or greedy plays etc. turtling from behind does not work in 99% of the times against a similarly skilled or better opponent and most of the time when your behind that is the case. In LoL ppl think they can turtle their way out of the game. Mb this silly idea comes from DotA? Well in DotA you had hardcarries and you had heroes that are good at turtling. And you could actually turtle because counterwarding was way (way, way) harder and you could retain a sufficient amount of mapcontrol from behind. And also when you turtled that was your strategy from the get go. It made sense to turtle because you knew you had to anyways. That said, In LoL it generally does not make sense at all to turtle, because everything scales about the same. Alot of good players have stated that you need to make plays to come back. Nontheless ppl are playing extremely bad from behind, letting their opponents do what ever they want. I don't know what to do anymore in this situation. Generally I just try to go with the flow, but it obv does not work. How do you actually turtle in LoL so you dont fall more behind (the rabbit/turtle analogy does not work btw.)??

3. I have some issues midlane when I play against ppl who I consider 'randomly aggressive'. It is smart to do randomly aggressive stuff now and then to throw ppl off, like ulting and igniting someone when you cannot kill them, can surprise and make them focus on your lane if you want them to (your jungler is counterjungling for example). In bad matchups i sometimes play aggressive from level 1-2 just because ppl don't expect it, so they earn a bit respect and everyone is about the same at lvl 1-2 anyways. But there are players who would completely ignore the fact that there are junglers in the game. They would push like crazy and POKE ME NEAR TURRET while I try to lashit. I don't know how to freaking play against them when my jungler is in solomid-guide-route-mode and doesn't gank. Random aggression like this often leads to both us having low health very early on and bad CS, but the random guy can get away with going back to base if he doesnt get ganked and he would lose less CS/exp in the process. It makes me mad when ppl get advantages from bad play. generally the mid lane pushes right around the time when jungler has red or is at wraiths, which is why I don't do it, and in 50% of the cases you get ganked hardcore for play like this. In one of my last games I even had an opponent lee sin jungle who would flash on me near my turret just for the lulz (he got away with 5% health or sth.)
how should I react to randomly aggressive players? what can I learn from this?
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
bokeevboke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Singapore1674 Posts
August 24 2012 09:56 GMT
#4992
On August 23 2012 11:07 Alaric wrote:
25 minutes top because a Teemo is playing pussy against my Udyr since he's bad and can't harass nor take me on. I can't back because my team is never there, but it's np, they should be able to do well since Alistar spent the whole beginning camping me, and their mid Diana roamed to my lane most of the time to. Right?

Teemo gets zoned, 30cs to 70+, still can't kill him because movequick is retarded and it takes me fucking long to reach him so as soon as he's getting pushed I can't run after him. Then I'm camped and it's 120 to 100. Can't be helped I guess.

Fast forward, I'm 0-7-7, Teemo went from 1-2-0 to 5-7-11, counting two kills via shrooms he placed because noone managed to exhert map control elsewhere while I was camped. I've got 265 cs, he 285.
What did my team accomplish during that time? Feed Katarina who just proceeded to suicide stupidly believing he could take on an inhib with all their team present. Or 1v5 them after they got nashor.

This got so fucking frustrating, give me back those 25 minutes they were so wasted.


If my team sucking hard I usually leave the top silently, so that enemy doesn't know I left until I show up in the bot. There is high chance you win the fight and you can trade top tower for bot or mid. Even if you lose you won't waste 25 min of your life CSing minions
Its grack
Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1947 Posts
August 24 2012 09:57 GMT
#4993
Well, if you feel your lane is a really good ganking opportunity, tell your jungler. At our level, map awareness is pretty bad. People are stuck in their gameplan (gank when level 4, level 6, don't gank at all) and need a wakeupcall. On the other hand, you could adjust to their pushing and do the same, so the opponent can't shove the lane in your turret. If you got a champ that can't shove the lane, well that suxx.
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 10:37:48
August 24 2012 10:31 GMT
#4994
On August 24 2012 17:45 clickrush wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
k guys i need some really good advice. dropped 250 elo since last week. had a couple bad games in there tbh. now under 1.4k and it feels really awkward. I have spotted a couple weaknesses in my play:

1. I don't really feel the love with alot of roles. my favs are suppor and ap carry. I would LOVE to play only support and ap. But when I dont get the ap spot I often end up not picking support because it can be extremely frustrating. Not because I think my ad carries are worse than me (there are a couple of those but most ppl are good enough for me to adapt to them for both our benefit), but because I really tilt when they misbehave, doing shitty calls, telling me what to do when etc and generally flame. There are ppl who have 'ideas' that are very far from just plain common sense. the carries that would misbehave are in 99% the carries who have big ass holes in their play like bad CS or random/stupid trading or even not trading when they could etc. I generally don't say much though.

2. I don't know how to play from behind: from sc2 I know you have to take risks to play from behind, like all-ins or greedy plays etc. turtling from behind does not work in 99% of the times against a similarly skilled or better opponent and most of the time when your behind that is the case. In LoL ppl think they can turtle their way out of the game. Mb this silly idea comes from DotA? Well in DotA you had hardcarries and you had heroes that are good at turtling. And you could actually turtle because counterwarding was way (way, way) harder and you could retain a sufficient amount of mapcontrol from behind. And also when you turtled that was your strategy from the get go. It made sense to turtle because you knew you had to anyways. That said, In LoL it generally does not make sense at all to turtle, because everything scales about the same. Alot of good players have stated that you need to make plays to come back. Nontheless ppl are playing extremely bad from behind, letting their opponents do what ever they want. I don't know what to do anymore in this situation. Generally I just try to go with the flow, but it obv does not work. How do you actually turtle in LoL so you dont fall more behind (the rabbit/turtle analogy does not work btw.)??

3. I have some issues midlane when I play against ppl who I consider 'randomly aggressive'. It is smart to do randomly aggressive stuff now and then to throw ppl off, like ulting and igniting someone when you cannot kill them, can surprise and make them focus on your lane if you want them to (your jungler is counterjungling for example). In bad matchups i sometimes play aggressive from level 1-2 just because ppl don't expect it, so they earn a bit respect and everyone is about the same at lvl 1-2 anyways. But there are players who would completely ignore the fact that there are junglers in the game. They would push like crazy and POKE ME NEAR TURRET while I try to lashit. I don't know how to freaking play against them when my jungler is in solomid-guide-route-mode and doesn't gank. Random aggression like this often leads to both us having low health very early on and bad CS, but the random guy can get away with going back to base if he doesnt get ganked and he would lose less CS/exp in the process. It makes me mad when ppl get advantages from bad play. generally the mid lane pushes right around the time when jungler has red or is at wraiths, which is why I don't do it, and in 50% of the cases you get ganked hardcore for play like this. In one of my last games I even had an opponent lee sin jungle who would flash on me near my turret just for the lulz (he got away with 5% health or sth.)
how should I react to randomly aggressive players? what can I learn from this?


1) It's a good thing that you're limiting yourself to just 2 roles.
Imo the best way to learn the game and get to a higher Elo is to literally spam one champion every game.
For example if you wanted to exclusively play Cassiopeia (this is a really good choice btw because she's strong but she's not played a lot), then you just say in champ select every game "I prefer mid - it's much better than my other roles".
The most important thing is that in the first 100 games or so just pick that champion into EVERYTHING - it doesn't matter if your team says that you're against a hard counter or whatever.
Then when you've learned everything there is to know about said champion you can start only picking it into favorable matchups or whatever.

This may sound a bit like you only improve with one champion, but from my experience that's not the case at all and you'll see a huge general improvement just because you'll slow down learning about the specific champion and you can start putting your focus elsewhere.

You could obviously also do this with support or any other role.

2) Playing from behind is actually relatively simple in the lower Elo bracket since 90% of the time the enemy team will have someone out of position - what you need to do is lead your team and try to stay as 5 MOST of the time (and then be very very careful when you're not all there), and you need to establish some sort of map control with warding etc. so you can see when someone is out of position from the other team, and at that point you'll want to do one of two things.
a) You can often catch said person in the jungle/river/whatever, but if that's not possible you can most likely do;
b) Initiate a teamfight because the other team will often be either ignorant enough to fight you 4vs5 or they will simply not notice that they're only 4 people.

Another thing about playing from behind (especially if your own lane isn't behind) is to just roam a lot and try to secure kills on the other lanes.

3) You can't do much about this except try to outplay your opponent or you can call for your jungle and hope he shows up.
Also, this is probably not the case but the random aggression could also be their mid laner knowing that your jungle isn't close to mid and he sees an opportunity to harass you down.

Also you can add me on LoL (IGN: EquilasH) if you want to ask me something more.
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11628 Posts
August 24 2012 10:57 GMT
#4995
On August 24 2012 18:57 Broetchenholer wrote:
Well, if you feel your lane is a really good ganking opportunity, tell your jungler. At our level, map awareness is pretty bad. People are stuck in their gameplan (gank when level 4, level 6, don't gank at all) and need a wakeupcall. On the other hand, you could adjust to their pushing and do the same, so the opponent can't shove the lane in your turret. If you got a champ that can't shove the lane, well that suxx.


But please, be nice about this. As mainly a jungler, there are few things i hate more then people who micromanage me. I do not constantly tell you how you should play your lane, so don't constantly tell me what i should be doing. Believe it or not, most people who play mainly jungler are actually BETTER at that then the laners who rarely play jungle. So make your jungler aware of opportunities in a nice way, don't tell them "Do this, do that, do that". Tell them that mid is pushed, if they don't seem to notice it on their own. If you are behind, say that you need help, and don't say "GANK TOP OMG!!!" Information about wards is of course always appreciated. And most importantly, don't die and then complain that your jungler was not there.

Junglers have to play globally, and weight choices, while you are usually only aware of your lane. A jungler has to choose which of the opportunities you take, and which is the place where it is more critical that you go there. So even if there is a good opportunity in your lane, maybe there is an even better one top, or you just HAVE to be top to save that guy from getting towerdived. Or bot is a weird lane that does not buy wards for some reason, and you need to punish them for that. Don't forget that in between all of that, the jungler also needs to farm from time to time to stay relevant, because people are rarely scared by a level 4 jungler with boots coming upon them when they are level 8.

Be nice to your junglers.
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
August 24 2012 11:06 GMT
#4996
being nice in general is a good thing. not doing sth just because the guy who is involved didn't ask nicely is not.
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11628 Posts
August 24 2012 11:13 GMT
#4997
It really depends on the level of not asking nicely. If someone says "gank top", i will usually ignore that. That does not mean that i won't gank top, i will just do whatever i would have done otherwise. If "gank top" is indeed the best idea, i will do it. Pretty often that is really the case. If something else is more important, i will do that instead. If i think "gank top" would be a waste of time, i won't do it. If someone tells me "ward there, there and there", that actually gives me information that would make a gank in that lane more effective, so it increases the chances of success, which means i am more likely to gank there. Likewise, if someone says "i need help", i will look if i can help them, and then do it. If someone says "Fucking bitch ass noob jungler, gank my fucking lane asshole" I will most certainly NOT go there and gank for him.
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
August 24 2012 11:50 GMT
#4998
I would gank there if someone flames like this. its the only freaking way to shut them up. and if possible give the kill as well, or they will still cry. angry kids are best to be looked after the most imo.
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
snow2.0
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany2073 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 13:24:25
August 24 2012 12:08 GMT
#4999
http://imgur.com/sKouL

omg our fed guy killed something!
quick, lets celebrate by collectively jumping in and dieing while he has no cooldowns instead of just disengaging for a sec with all the aoe cc we have.

HOLY SHIT! We're 4! That's like, almost as many as they are! And we only have half as many kills and no cs to us!
GET THEM!

story of my games since yesterday.


Best thing was the kog game. nunu kog bot with a stranger vs nunu kog premade. i double his cs from the first wave, through to like 20-25min. while being camped by fiddle jungle and ahri mid (escaping or trading kills with them)
And not a single shaco gank or gragas countergank was given. And gragas was winning mid too. just didnt do anything with it.
h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
August 24 2012 13:14 GMT
#5000
When someone says something along the lines "omg fucking noob jungler gank top", I will go to their lane and hide in a brush, tell them to bait an engage, watch them die 1v1 and walk off, telling them that there was no opportunity for me to go in. I find that way more entertaining than winning a game.
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