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Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-07-25 17:02:22
July 25 2025 17:01 GMT
#901
On July 26 2025 01:58 Jankisa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2025 01:55 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On July 26 2025 01:55 Poopi wrote:
On July 26 2025 01:51 Asha wrote:
On July 26 2025 01:47 Poopi wrote:
Please no 5-0


it's inevitable

e: inevitable jinx :D

It isn’t!!
Let’s fucking go Classic!!!

What happened, how did Classic take a game?


He harassed with Adepts after breaking into the game due to a late wall in, got 21 drone kills which made Serral go for a roach / ravager all in which he defended with some clutch static wards, good positioning of batteries and good micro on blink Stalkers.


I really thought committing to the wall in kill was going to backfire at the time but it was the perfect call
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1451 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-07-25 17:03:22
July 25 2025 17:02 GMT
#902
On July 26 2025 01:54 BonitiilloO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2025 01:48 MJG wrote:
On July 26 2025 01:44 Agh wrote:
On July 26 2025 01:42 MJG wrote:
On July 26 2025 01:40 BonitiilloO wrote:
is insane how a zerg can get so much of a lead with no drawback, i mean 80supply over the toss... so how are you supposed to stop that?

Welcome to Legacy of the Void.

It's always been like this.

Nothing unusual about it, especially when Protoss gets their third base delayed rather heavily.


Not just a Lotv thing, zerg has always been able to hit 60+ supply max if they want to, but yeah if your 3rd gets denied it's always going to look much worse.

Kinda true.

The difference was that Zerg couldn't tech behind their quick max-out quite so fluidly in WoL or HotS.

Hopefully Classic can make the next few games more entertaining.

I'm very underwhelmed so far...

Zerg can do everything uninterrupted, and that should not be like that, the limitation zerg had on BW was larva, u only get 3, here u get as many as u want and then that an issue.

I'm not sure I agree that Zerg can do everything uninterrupted.

We just saw what happens if a build can catch Zerg out and interrupt them.

I guess there's an argument to be made that Protoss/Terran players shouldn't have to rely on catching Zerg out to do damage in the early game, but I don't feel knowledgable enough about Zerg scouting to talk about that.

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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
July 25 2025 17:05 GMT
#903
On July 26 2025 02:02 MJG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2025 01:54 BonitiilloO wrote:
On July 26 2025 01:48 MJG wrote:
On July 26 2025 01:44 Agh wrote:
On July 26 2025 01:42 MJG wrote:
On July 26 2025 01:40 BonitiilloO wrote:
is insane how a zerg can get so much of a lead with no drawback, i mean 80supply over the toss... so how are you supposed to stop that?

Welcome to Legacy of the Void.

It's always been like this.

Nothing unusual about it, especially when Protoss gets their third base delayed rather heavily.


Not just a Lotv thing, zerg has always been able to hit 60+ supply max if they want to, but yeah if your 3rd gets denied it's always going to look much worse.

Kinda true.

The difference was that Zerg couldn't tech behind their quick max-out quite so fluidly in WoL or HotS.

Hopefully Classic can make the next few games more entertaining.

I'm very underwhelmed so far...

Zerg can do everything uninterrupted, and that should not be like that, the limitation zerg had on BW was larva, u only get 3, here u get as many as u want and then that an issue.

I'm not sure I agree that Zerg can do everything uninterrupted.

We just saw what happens if a build can catch Zerg out and interrupt them.

I guess there's an argument to be made that Protoss/Terran players shouldn't have to rely on catching Zerg out to do damage in the early game, but I don't feel knowledgable enough about Zerg scouting to talk about that.



They are given the tools to do so, to stall zerg grow early game.
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2655 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-07-25 17:10:13
July 25 2025 17:08 GMT
#904
Serral's PoV is ridiculously fast.

Well this is over
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2656 Posts
July 25 2025 17:10 GMT
#905
If the first storms connected he could've hold, big "if".
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1451 Posts
July 25 2025 17:10 GMT
#906
Meh.

The Gladepts did nothing and Serral's Zergling counter did something.

The game was over after that.
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Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4734 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-07-25 17:11:47
July 25 2025 17:11 GMT
#907
He just killed him...?
What the hell. Guess I underestimated the initial damage.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
BonitiilloO
Profile Joined June 2013
Dominican Republic627 Posts
July 25 2025 17:11 GMT
#908
On July 26 2025 02:02 MJG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2025 01:54 BonitiilloO wrote:
On July 26 2025 01:48 MJG wrote:
On July 26 2025 01:44 Agh wrote:
On July 26 2025 01:42 MJG wrote:
On July 26 2025 01:40 BonitiilloO wrote:
is insane how a zerg can get so much of a lead with no drawback, i mean 80supply over the toss... so how are you supposed to stop that?

Welcome to Legacy of the Void.

It's always been like this.

Nothing unusual about it, especially when Protoss gets their third base delayed rather heavily.


Not just a Lotv thing, zerg has always been able to hit 60+ supply max if they want to, but yeah if your 3rd gets denied it's always going to look much worse.

Kinda true.

The difference was that Zerg couldn't tech behind their quick max-out quite so fluidly in WoL or HotS.

Hopefully Classic can make the next few games more entertaining.

I'm very underwhelmed so far...

Zerg can do everything uninterrupted, and that should not be like that, the limitation zerg had on BW was larva, u only get 3, here u get as many as u want and then that an issue.

I'm not sure I agree that Zerg can do everything uninterrupted.

We just saw what happens if a build can catch Zerg out and interrupt them.

I guess there's an argument to be made that Protoss/Terran players shouldn't have to rely on catching Zerg out to do damage in the early game, but I don't feel knowledgable enough about Zerg scouting to talk about that.



Look at those storms they dont even kill a single ling lol... storm is weak vs supposedly biological units
How may help u?
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2655 Posts
July 25 2025 17:12 GMT
#909
On July 26 2025 02:11 BonitiilloO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2025 02:02 MJG wrote:
On July 26 2025 01:54 BonitiilloO wrote:
On July 26 2025 01:48 MJG wrote:
On July 26 2025 01:44 Agh wrote:
On July 26 2025 01:42 MJG wrote:
On July 26 2025 01:40 BonitiilloO wrote:
is insane how a zerg can get so much of a lead with no drawback, i mean 80supply over the toss... so how are you supposed to stop that?

Welcome to Legacy of the Void.

It's always been like this.

Nothing unusual about it, especially when Protoss gets their third base delayed rather heavily.


Not just a Lotv thing, zerg has always been able to hit 60+ supply max if they want to, but yeah if your 3rd gets denied it's always going to look much worse.

Kinda true.

The difference was that Zerg couldn't tech behind their quick max-out quite so fluidly in WoL or HotS.

Hopefully Classic can make the next few games more entertaining.

I'm very underwhelmed so far...

Zerg can do everything uninterrupted, and that should not be like that, the limitation zerg had on BW was larva, u only get 3, here u get as many as u want and then that an issue.

I'm not sure I agree that Zerg can do everything uninterrupted.

We just saw what happens if a build can catch Zerg out and interrupt them.

I guess there's an argument to be made that Protoss/Terran players shouldn't have to rely on catching Zerg out to do damage in the early game, but I don't feel knowledgable enough about Zerg scouting to talk about that.



Look at those storms they dont even kill a single ling lol... storm is weak vs supposedly biological units

Storm killed plenty of Serrals units, Classic's problem was that he was down 70 supply.
Agh
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1044 Posts
July 25 2025 17:13 GMT
#910
Crazy decision making with 0 hesitation to easily mow through that base then take the game.
Right before the extra 3 cannons too. Absolutely wild.
I may appear to be an emotionless sarcastic pos, but just like an onion when you pull off more and more layers you find the exact same thing everytime and you start crying
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1451 Posts
July 25 2025 17:13 GMT
#911
On July 26 2025 02:11 Malinor wrote:
He just killed him...?
What the hell.

Classic was super behind after the openings.

If Protoss commits to an harassment build and gets nothing done, whilst also losing Probes and units to a simple Zergling runby, Protoss is usually going to get steamrolled in the midgame.
puking up frothing vitriolic sarcastic spittle
Antithesis
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1236 Posts
July 25 2025 17:13 GMT
#912
On July 26 2025 02:11 BonitiilloO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2025 02:02 MJG wrote:
On July 26 2025 01:54 BonitiilloO wrote:
On July 26 2025 01:48 MJG wrote:
On July 26 2025 01:44 Agh wrote:
On July 26 2025 01:42 MJG wrote:
On July 26 2025 01:40 BonitiilloO wrote:
is insane how a zerg can get so much of a lead with no drawback, i mean 80supply over the toss... so how are you supposed to stop that?

Welcome to Legacy of the Void.

It's always been like this.

Nothing unusual about it, especially when Protoss gets their third base delayed rather heavily.


Not just a Lotv thing, zerg has always been able to hit 60+ supply max if they want to, but yeah if your 3rd gets denied it's always going to look much worse.

Kinda true.

The difference was that Zerg couldn't tech behind their quick max-out quite so fluidly in WoL or HotS.

Hopefully Classic can make the next few games more entertaining.

I'm very underwhelmed so far...

Zerg can do everything uninterrupted, and that should not be like that, the limitation zerg had on BW was larva, u only get 3, here u get as many as u want and then that an issue.

I'm not sure I agree that Zerg can do everything uninterrupted.

We just saw what happens if a build can catch Zerg out and interrupt them.

I guess there's an argument to be made that Protoss/Terran players shouldn't have to rely on catching Zerg out to do damage in the early game, but I don't feel knowledgable enough about Zerg scouting to talk about that.



Look at those storms they dont even kill a single ling lol... storm is weak vs supposedly biological units

Serral so good he brings out the cope that storm is too weak.

Some clinical games by Serral so far.
Mutation complete.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
July 25 2025 17:14 GMT
#913
Such a shame Reynor threw away that win against Serral. Could have had some goated final day games instead
Sameday
Profile Joined September 2024
9 Posts
July 25 2025 17:15 GMT
#914
This is embarrassing to be honest. Every time Classic is getting hit with a ling runby or Hydra attack he is floating 700 minerals above what he can even warp in. Literally 1 cannon at his 3rd would've saved 15 probes. 4 cannons at his 4th and he holds this all in.

This is some basic Starcraft that was figured out back in Brood War. When you are versus Zerg, just throw a bunch of Photon cannons down so you can put your full focus on your deathball and not having to get out of position.

These games show that this patch is way too strong for Protoss players, even Patchtosses like Goblin can get 1 game from qualifying for EWC. For Classic to be playing this poorly and still almost holding attacks is insane. Build a damn photon you scrub. I never read replies.

User was warned for this post
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3548 Posts
July 25 2025 17:15 GMT
#915
On July 26 2025 02:11 BonitiilloO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2025 02:02 MJG wrote:
On July 26 2025 01:54 BonitiilloO wrote:
On July 26 2025 01:48 MJG wrote:
On July 26 2025 01:44 Agh wrote:
On July 26 2025 01:42 MJG wrote:
On July 26 2025 01:40 BonitiilloO wrote:
is insane how a zerg can get so much of a lead with no drawback, i mean 80supply over the toss... so how are you supposed to stop that?

Welcome to Legacy of the Void.

It's always been like this.

Nothing unusual about it, especially when Protoss gets their third base delayed rather heavily.


Not just a Lotv thing, zerg has always been able to hit 60+ supply max if they want to, but yeah if your 3rd gets denied it's always going to look much worse.

Kinda true.

The difference was that Zerg couldn't tech behind their quick max-out quite so fluidly in WoL or HotS.

Hopefully Classic can make the next few games more entertaining.

I'm very underwhelmed so far...

Zerg can do everything uninterrupted, and that should not be like that, the limitation zerg had on BW was larva, u only get 3, here u get as many as u want and then that an issue.

I'm not sure I agree that Zerg can do everything uninterrupted.

We just saw what happens if a build can catch Zerg out and interrupt them.

I guess there's an argument to be made that Protoss/Terran players shouldn't have to rely on catching Zerg out to do damage in the early game, but I don't feel knowledgable enough about Zerg scouting to talk about that.



Look at those storms they dont even kill a single ling lol... storm is weak vs supposedly biological units

Clearly we should buff psi storm! Weakest spell in the game I think we should massively increase the damage. Terran players definitely won't suffer at all
say you were born into a jungle indian tribe where food was scarce...would you run around from teepee to teepee stealing meat scraps after a day lazying around doing nothing except warming urself by a fire that you didn't even make yourself? -rekrul
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10111 Posts
July 25 2025 17:17 GMT
#916
that probe save holy fuck
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2656 Posts
July 25 2025 17:18 GMT
#917
Classic is getting sloppy, looks like a 5-1
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1451 Posts
July 25 2025 17:18 GMT
#918
On July 26 2025 02:11 BonitiilloO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2025 02:02 MJG wrote:
On July 26 2025 01:54 BonitiilloO wrote:
On July 26 2025 01:48 MJG wrote:
On July 26 2025 01:44 Agh wrote:
On July 26 2025 01:42 MJG wrote:
On July 26 2025 01:40 BonitiilloO wrote:
is insane how a zerg can get so much of a lead with no drawback, i mean 80supply over the toss... so how are you supposed to stop that?

Welcome to Legacy of the Void.

It's always been like this.

Nothing unusual about it, especially when Protoss gets their third base delayed rather heavily.


Not just a Lotv thing, zerg has always been able to hit 60+ supply max if they want to, but yeah if your 3rd gets denied it's always going to look much worse.

Kinda true.

The difference was that Zerg couldn't tech behind their quick max-out quite so fluidly in WoL or HotS.

Hopefully Classic can make the next few games more entertaining.

I'm very underwhelmed so far...

Zerg can do everything uninterrupted, and that should not be like that, the limitation zerg had on BW was larva, u only get 3, here u get as many as u want and then that an issue.

I'm not sure I agree that Zerg can do everything uninterrupted.

We just saw what happens if a build can catch Zerg out and interrupt them.

I guess there's an argument to be made that Protoss/Terran players shouldn't have to rely on catching Zerg out to do damage in the early game, but I don't feel knowledgable enough about Zerg scouting to talk about that.


Look at those storms they dont even kill a single ling lol... storm is weak vs supposedly biological units

Storm killed plenty of units, but it didn't really matter when Serral had so much more supply than Classic.

Classic was just too far behind after how badly the openings went.

His expensive Gladept committment did nothing, and he also took damage from an inexpensive Speedling counter.

The game was over as soon as that happened.

Everything afterwards was meaningless.
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dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
July 25 2025 17:19 GMT
#919
Glad to see Classic playing standard, even if he lost to Serral earlier it looked more promising than playing build roulette.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8246 Posts
July 25 2025 17:20 GMT
#920
I swear I rarely see Zerg loss when they max out at the 8 minute mark.
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