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argonautdice
Canada2716 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24983 Posts
On August 17 2024 22:57 Blitzball04 wrote: Not sure why people complaining about the format Yes it sucked that Oliveria got the same prize money as coffee but this is a high stake tournament. Boohoo not everything needs to be fair. Don’t like it? Host your own tournament with 1mill cash prize Then make it a high-stakes jeopardy-filled tournament from the start? The winner-takes-all Katowice was ridiculous in how it doled out prize money, but it was at least damn intense. You could just make it a straight Bo7 single elimination or double elimination gauntlet. Or any number of other things. Instead you have 2 days with Bo5s across the board, and many of the matches having little realistic stakes, plus two lives into a knockout bracket with big stakes but Bo3s. Plus punch two guys in while we’re at it. It’s an awful format, although it does illustrate that having a million dollars to splurge and having common sense don’t always go hand-in-hand | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2716 Posts
On August 17 2024 23:11 argonautdice wrote: The 3 chances being good for Oliveira makes no sense. Let's say it was just a double elimination tournament with the top 16 players: Oliveira would've finished 5th-6th. Would you rather take the 5th-6th place and ~$40,000 or be given an extra chance but have to risk dropping down to last place and $15,000 having to win at least 2 more bo3's to even get back to 5th~6th place? Btw even given the current format, what they should've done is to rank the players who lost in the same round based on their group stage performance and scale the prize pool to that. So Coffee who won 0 games would be ranked 18th while Oliveira who won the most games would be ranked 12th. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17664 Posts
On August 17 2024 23:16 argonautdice wrote: Btw even given the current format, what they should've done is to rank the players who lost in the same round based on their group stage performance and scale the prize pool to that. So Coffee who won 0 games would be ranked 18th while Oliveira who won the most games would be ranked 12th. Or some tournaments pay players per win, so they could get like $1000 per match win on top of the regular prize money or something like that | ||
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Blitzball04
191 Posts
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nimbim
Germany983 Posts
On August 17 2024 23:11 argonautdice wrote: The 3 chances being good for Oliveira makes no sense. Let's say it was just a double elimination tournament with the top 16 players: Oliveira would've finished 5th-6th. Would you rather take the 5th-6th place and ~$40,000 or be given an extra chance but have to risk dropping down to last place and $15,000 having to win at least 2 more bo3's to even get back to 5th~6th place? I can see why people dislike the format, I don't think it's the best either. However, looking at Oliveira as a specific example, he would have been close to finishing high by just playing TvT. Like this he had to play another match-up and his TvP just wasn't in 5-6th place form. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10324 Posts
On August 17 2024 23:16 argonautdice wrote: Btw even given the current format, what they should've done is to rank the players who lost in the same round based on their group stage performance and scale the prize pool to that. So Coffee who won 0 games would be ranked 18th while Oliveira who won the most games would be ranked 12th. Yeah that would be cool actually, if their Group Stage performance determined their rank (as if it was a double elim). And KO bracket is just an extra chance to get into Top 4 - if you don't make it out to the Top 4 then Group Stage is your rank. Oli being like 5-6th in Group stage but then being dropped to last place in KO just doesn't make sense. | ||
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Azzur
Australia6259 Posts
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Brutaxilos
United States2624 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24983 Posts
On August 17 2024 23:11 argonautdice wrote: The 3 chances being good for Oliveira makes no sense. Let's say it was just a double elimination tournament with the top 16 players: Oliveira would've finished 5th-6th. Would you rather take the 5th-6th place and ~$40,000 or be given an extra chance but have to risk dropping down to last place and $15,000 having to win at least 2 more bo3's to even get back to 5th~6th place? There’s a reason platform games that aren’t deliberately fiendish (quite fond of those too) and use the ‘lives’ system let you retry what you just died attempting until you use them up. And let you resume from a particular level Your lives buy you progression, until you use them up and then it’s time to start over. Under this particular setup , the lives are effectively kinda useless: 1. If you can beat the game in one run, you get your reward. Except then you don’t need lives. 2. You die and have to restart from the level you failed. But from there you have to beat the entire game to get any rewards. 3. If you die again, game over, no more gaming for you. Now, call me crazy but there’s a reason games aren’t built that way :p Doing a whole 2 days of gaming for 3 Ro4 places and one Ro8 but with nothing outside of a slightly better seed for everyone else is such a daft use of time. If the tournament was bigger, maybe then yes, seeding for the knockout is a prize of sorts. If you’re talking the best performer who didn’t make it out say drawing, the world’s 72 ranked, the second maybe grabs the world’s 53rd best or whatever. It isn’t nearly enough of a carrot to the stick of swapping to Bo3 single elim versus say, skipping a round based on performance when you’re talking the top 16 players in the world who are really close in level. Also where matchup strengths are a thing | ||
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Topin
Peru10055 Posts
On August 17 2024 23:31 Brutaxilos wrote: Did Solar use blinding cloud instead of parasitic bomb by accident there? he blind clouded his lurkers and queens... does it work in your own units? | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1130 Posts
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Brutaxilos
United States2624 Posts
On August 17 2024 23:32 Topin wrote: he blind clouded his lurkers and queens... does it work in your own units? I believe so, IIRC | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17961 Posts
On August 17 2024 23:31 Brutaxilos wrote: Did Solar use blinding cloud instead of parasitic bomb by accident there? Was wondering the same thing. | ||
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stilt
France2747 Posts
On August 17 2024 23:32 Topin wrote: he blind clouded his lurkers and queens... does it work in your own units? He does He was already dead tbh but it shows once again solar tends to crumble under pressure. | ||
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tigera6
3339 Posts
On August 17 2024 23:18 Blitzball04 wrote: As expected only Serral can win in these positions. Solar just shows that Zergs run into a brick wall against this play style Solar has multiple chances to break Maru in both games, its foolish to act like he didnt have a shot. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24983 Posts
On August 17 2024 23:27 Azzur wrote: What they should've done is depending your performance on the group stage, you'll drop into different rounds of the knockout bracket. So, someone who went 0-2 goes into the first round, and someone who went 2-2 goes into a later round. This in effect would make it less matches in the knockout phase - and then make the knockout bo5 - if your tournament is on the line, I think it should be a proper series. This makes far too much sense. How I personally would have done it if we’re dangling that straight to Ro4 carrot would be a single elim upper tournament, losers just drop into a double elimination bracket at whatever stage they lose at. I’d also extend double elimination to the Ro4 just for fairness’ sake. Dark and Clem can still exit the tournament having lost a sole series which to me doesn’t feel right. I think that way you get a pretty hyped first stage where if you lose, you’re out of the running for that straight seed. Clem beating Serral or Dark beating Maru get a bit more impactful on the day. Players get rewarded for good performance in the upper tournament, but they get their second chance where it properly counts and you still have space for big runs from the lower bracket. BTW this is assuming we’re running with other aspects of the format, such as the fast travel to the Ro4, the player numbers they chose for this tournament etc. I wouldn’t necessarily go with either | ||
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Blitzball04
191 Posts
On August 17 2024 23:35 tigera6 wrote: Solar has multiple chances to break Maru in both games, its foolish to act like he didnt have a shot. lol but did he? That’s the difference between Serral and the Zergs. It’s fool to pretend solar did have a chance to break Maru when given their past solar. Solar rarely/almost never breaks Maru in those positions in most of their games. There’s a reason why we meme solar / shin as Maru whipping boys. They will make the games “look” competitive when in reality everyone knew there was no chance for them to win no matter how the game appears to be The blueprint to beat Maru has already been set. Either you have to play like Serral in the late game. Or play chaotic like dark. Playing straight up macro will always result in a lost | ||
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Sent.
Poland9172 Posts
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nimbim
Germany983 Posts
On August 17 2024 23:44 Sent. wrote: How much do you win per match in the knockout bracket? 5k/10k/15k/35k | ||
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