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DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
August 17 2024 13:08 GMT
#661
I think Showtime played a lot better in the end, but Gumiho had too good of a position.
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
August 17 2024 13:09 GMT
#662
I think Gumiho crazy charging into the disrupters and sniping them won the game.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27070 Posts
August 17 2024 13:17 GMT
#663
On August 17 2024 21:51 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2024 21:40 WombaT wrote:
On August 17 2024 21:13 Zaros wrote:
Ugh, yeah i hate this format.

*Arghs internally*

There are formats I prefer, formats I favour less. But with the latter I usually understand a particular rationale even if I may not especially like it.

Ruthless single elimination, hey it’s brutal but high-stakes, upsets happen and it can be quite hype. Straight double elim less brutal and often you see the top players make it to the latter stages due to that extra life. Round robins/Swiss stuff you get to see players get a lot of chances to show what they’ve got, and mitigates things like bracket luck a lot.

This format? I just don’t really understand what it’s trying to accomplish.

Bo5s for a fast-forward to the Ro4 and one Ro8 spot, in a double elimination bracket, with everyone else really just jostling for seeding for a single elim gauntlet? Also sees a bunch of quick rematches too, which I’m not a fan of. Bit arbitrary but I prefer if player x beats player y, then y has to grind back a bit to earn that rematch.

Then when we get to the stage where the majority of the whole field are battling for placement with only one shot to play with, it’s Bo3s? :S

I believe we’re 1/4 so far, we shall see how it goes. Alas SHIN is gone already, but if Showtime loses his first match, and Dark and Clem lose in the Ro4 we could also see a scenario where 4 players are eliminated after only losing one series.

Now with the Ro4 guys I mean yes, they’re in the Ro4, that’s already a good result but this is just wonky, and I don’t like wonky. Some players have 3 lives, Rag and Showtime have 1 and the group stage winners lose theirs through success.

Someone make it make sense!

I don’t see any advantages with this over just doing a seeding stage into a double or single elimination knockout bracket. Or doing round robins into Ro8 or Ro4, or all sorts of other approaches.

I think many of us felt Oliveira and herO showed some of the best StarCraft in the first 2 days outside of those Ro4 players, but the former is already out with a low placement after a loss today, and it could happen to herO too.

With another format taking out Byun twice, Gumiho and taking Maru to the limit or Solar, Reynor and Serral being pushed are the kind of scalps that signify a pretty decent Ro16/8 run. But are effectively meaningless as regards to placement with this choice of format.




I think they wanted to have their cake and eat it too.

They do a little "side tournament" in the group stage, where you get to show a lot of matches from top players with long matches and double elimination. Then you have a second tournament set up to create lots of drama and eliminations, but you've already tucked away 3 of the favorites, so your final 4 is kind of guaranteed to have the most popular players.

Purely from a spectacle standpoint I guess there's some twisted logic to it. But yeah, Oliveira going home with the same prize money as Coffee who didn't even win a map is downright insulting for the players.

I still wouldn’t like it over other formats, but my griping is really exacerbated by switching back to Bo3s for this stage.

Losing one series and being out is bloody brutal enough, but a single Bo3 that much more so.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Nasigil1
Profile Joined March 2024
114 Posts
August 17 2024 13:19 GMT
#664
Did showtime came all this way just to lose one bo3 and that's it
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
August 17 2024 13:19 GMT
#665
Can't believe Gumi pulled that out of thin air
SHODAN
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1159 Posts
August 17 2024 13:19 GMT
#666
gumiho just built different
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3501 Posts
August 17 2024 13:20 GMT
#667
Showtime threw that hard, he can literally just gave up the 3rd and build time for 2 more round of warp in.
Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2633 Posts
August 17 2024 13:21 GMT
#668
On August 17 2024 22:19 Nasigil1 wrote:
Did showtime came all this way just to lose one bo3 and that's it

This format is just too much. Feels like it was made up after someone had a bad dream and no one checked it.
Jangbi favorite player. Forever~ CJ herO the King of IEM. BOMBERRRRRRRR. Sexy Boy Rogue. soO #1! Oliveira China Represent!
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
August 17 2024 13:22 GMT
#669
Oliv losing to Maru TvT of all things and then a single bo3 to Classic gets him last place.

Brutal
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
mintyminmus
Profile Joined September 2022
Australia127 Posts
August 17 2024 13:22 GMT
#670
Lol now Showtime also goes home after playing 1 bo3.
xyfan
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18336 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-08-17 13:29:40
August 17 2024 13:27 GMT
#671
Showtime and Ragnarok should just treat this whole event as an all expenses paid vacation. Yolo a Bo3 and other than that, enjoy whatever Riyadh has to offer.
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
August 17 2024 13:27 GMT
#672
Why are we playing bo3 in 2024?
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27070 Posts
August 17 2024 13:37 GMT
#673
On August 17 2024 22:20 tigera6 wrote:
Showtime threw that hard, he can literally just gave up the 3rd and build time for 2 more round of warp in.

Definitely a solid option. Even with what he chose it felt if we resumed from replay a bunch of times before Showtime pounced, there’s quite a few in which that engagement doesn’t go as disastrously for him as it did in reality.

Pretty brutal for Showtime, real shame. His qualification run was pretty epic and he looked in pretty legit shape. Over after 1 Bo3…
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27070 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-08-17 13:43:58
August 17 2024 13:43 GMT
#674
On August 17 2024 22:27 Zaros wrote:
Why are we playing bo3 in 2024?

Who picked this bloody format haha?

ESL have plenty of experience in running SC2 tournaments, why is it such a deviation? Was this their call or EWC as an event calling the shots I wonder?

We’ve also seen things like loser interviews that ESL tournies haven’t historically done, it’s a bit odd.

I am aware I’m getting into ‘broken record’ territory re: the format but man…

At least there’s a pretty big disparity between the field I suppose, few players realistically are in with a shot to win. Imagine how bad it would be if you had a field where most of the participants were actual title contenders?

'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-08-17 13:46:34
August 17 2024 13:46 GMT
#675
Byun was so sloppy with his unit control in this series.
Blitzball04
Profile Joined June 2024
191 Posts
August 17 2024 13:57 GMT
#676
Not sure why people complaining about the format

Yes it sucked that Oliveria got the same prize money as coffee but this is a high stake tournament. Boohoo not everything needs to be fair. Don’t like it? Host your own tournament with 1mill cash prize
Blitzball04
Profile Joined June 2024
191 Posts
August 17 2024 13:58 GMT
#677
Looks like your typical Maru beat down on solar type of game.
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1300 Posts
August 17 2024 14:02 GMT
#678
On August 17 2024 22:57 Blitzball04 wrote:
Not sure why people complaining about the format

Yes it sucked that Oliveria got the same prize money as coffee but this is a high stake tournament. Boohoo not everything needs to be fair. Don’t like it? Host your own tournament with 1mill cash prize


"Don't like the balance or the mappol? Just create your own top-notch RTS game"
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darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3555 Posts
August 17 2024 14:03 GMT
#679
On August 17 2024 22:57 Blitzball04 wrote:
Not sure why people complaining about the format

Yes it sucked that Oliveria got the same prize money as coffee but this is a high stake tournament. Boohoo not everything needs to be fair. Don’t like it? Host your own tournament with 1mill cash prize

You are frequently distributing the dumbest Takes in this Thread congrats.
angryground
Profile Joined March 2021
67 Posts
August 17 2024 14:07 GMT
#680
On August 17 2024 22:57 Blitzball04 wrote:
Not sure why people complaining about the format

Yes it sucked that Oliveria got the same prize money as coffee but this is a high stake tournament. Boohoo not everything needs to be fair. Don’t like it? Host your own tournament with 1mill cash prize


lol

don't like unfair 1-million tournaments, guys? host your own,
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