EPT[GSL 2024] Code S:S1 - Quarterfinals - Group A - Page 3
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Poopi
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Die4Ever
United States17665 Posts
we can't have terran losing | ||
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enuaj
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Vindicare605
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Poopi
France12780 Posts
Hopefully Maru can still qualify | ||
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dysenterymd
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Maru did not split well at all vs storms... still expect him to make it out. | ||
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darklycid
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On March 28 2024 21:08 Poopi wrote: This series was funny though, but yeah the patch seems quite bad so far Hopefully Maru can still qualify so what part of the games is the patches fault? | ||
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Vindicare605
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
On March 28 2024 21:08 darklycid wrote: so what part of the games is the patches fault? Other than herO not losing much to the Widow Mines (which I would expect him not to anyway pre-patch since he's not a noob) I didn't see anything in those games that looked like they were influenced by the patch. The maps however played a huge part in how those games played out, although considering what happened in those games I can't say the maps favored either race, more like herO played the maps alot smarter than Maru did. | ||
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tigera6
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toinewx
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darklycid
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On March 28 2024 21:14 Vindicare605 wrote: Other than herO not losing much to the Widow Mines (which I would expect him not to anyway pre-patch since he's not a noob) I didn't see anything in those games that looked like they were influenced by the patch. The maps however played a huge part in how those games played out, although considering what happened in those games I can't say the maps favored either race, more like herO played the maps alot smarter than Maru did. Yes but thats what i wanted to get to. I know poopi when maru loses and instantly jumping onto the patch is hillarious  | ||
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Agh
United States919 Posts
Weird build choices by Maru but still GG's. He's going to need to change it up a bit if he makes it out. Just relying on control with inferior econ won't cut it (vs hero at least). Perhaps he's just slow adjusting to the maps. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
On March 28 2024 21:20 darklycid wrote: Yes but thats what i wanted to get to. I know poopi when maru loses and instantly jumping onto the patch is hillarious It was a single Bo3 and both players had ample time to prepare. herO just clearly planned that series out a lot better than Maru did. This is why GSL is still the gold standard and the format matters. | ||
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Poopi
France12780 Posts
On March 28 2024 21:08 darklycid wrote: so what part of the games is the patches fault? Virtually every part? From g1 (widow mine + cyclone being bad), to g2 (mostly widow mine being bad and strength of protoss favoring slow play with tanks from terran) | ||
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Captain Peabody
United States3099 Posts
lol at people calling to revert the patch as soon as Maru loses | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
On March 28 2024 21:35 Captain Peabody wrote: wow it's almost like the people who said that with a few balance changes Protoss would win more and it wasn't just that all the top Protosses were bad were right all along!!!!!!! lol at people calling to revert the patch as soon as Maru loses Oh please. You let herO build a proxy Gateway in your natural and you're going to lose regardless of small balance changes. | ||
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darklycid
3453 Posts
On March 28 2024 21:30 Poopi wrote: Virtually every part? From g1 (widow mine + cyclone being bad), to g2 (mostly widow mine being bad and strength of protoss favoring slow play with tanks from terran) Lol so WM is Bad now because the warning has massive Impact on pro Level and the cyclone is now Bad as Well because of 2 Games without a Stargate Opener. And the 2nd Game is the Patch because of slow Play? Clown Takes. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
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Captain Peabody
United States3099 Posts
On March 28 2024 21:38 Vindicare605 wrote: Oh please. You let herO build a proxy Gateway in your natural and you're going to lose regardless of small balance changes. I mean you're absolutely right that the amount of variance from game to game based on strategies and skill and individual choices and even luck is always going to be massively more impactful than small balance changes. almost certainly even just the morale boost from Protoss doing well in the Ro16 and the strategic innovations we've seen from Korean Protoss recently in PvT have had more direct impact. but I think it would be silly not to acknowledge that, as virtually every Protoss pro I've heard from has said, the patch did help weaken some of the most crushing strats in TvP and in so doing open up some strategic diversity. and I think you can see that in the way herO and Classic have played, if not necessarily in the way things have turned out--with a slightly weakened Cyclone, Protoss has more scope for strat diversity and aggression in the early game, and with slightly weakened mines and liberators there's less tunnel-vision fear of just avoiding Terran getting to an unstoppable ghost-Liberator army. that may well, though, be less a matter of the actual changes having an impact and more an impact on the choices that are made. ofc it's historically the case that Protoss just does better on new maps and right after a new patch. and the psychological impact on Terrans of "getting nerfed" and having to figure out new maps is also a thing. which is why it would be absurd to undo the patch after a few days because some Protoss won a few games. it may well be the case that Terran will quickly figure things out and PvT will go back to being heavily Terran-favored again. we really don't know. still it's a nice change | ||
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