[GSL 2024] Code S:S1 - Quarterfinals - Group A

On March 28 2024 19:16 Die4Ever wrote:
Maru, kill the damn Dark Shrine lol wtf

On March 28 2024 20:14 Schelim wrote:




these two posts back to back are fucking poetry

On March 28 2024 21:08 darklycid wrote:

so what part of the games is the patches fault?

On March 28 2024 21:20 darklycid wrote:

Yes but thats what i wanted to get to. I know poopi when maru loses and instantly jumping onto the patch is hillarious

On March 28 2024 21:08 darklycid wrote:

so what part of the games is the patches fault?

On March 28 2024 21:35 Captain Peabody wrote:
wow it's almost like the people who said that with a few balance changes Protoss would win more and it wasn't just that all the top Protosses were bad were right all along!!!!!!!

lol at people calling to revert the patch as soon as Maru loses

On March 28 2024 21:38 Vindicare605 wrote:


Oh please. You let herO build a proxy Gateway in your natural and you're going to lose regardless of small balance changes.

On March 28 2024 21:45 Vindicare605 wrote:
I don't know what Byun's gameplan is here. That attack at the 4th did nothing. The nexus survived all the tech survived he just stood there killing nothing until he lost his ravens and his front line.

On March 28 2024 21:46 Captain Peabody wrote:

I mean you're absolutely right that the amount of variance from game to game based on strategies and skill and individual choices and even luck is always going to be massively more impactful than small balance changes. arguably even just the morale boost from Protoss doing well in the Ro16 and the strategic innovations we've seen from Korean Protoss recently in PvT have had more impact.

but I think it would be silly not to acknowledge that, as virtually every Protoss pro I've heard from has said, the patch did help weaken some of the most crushing strats in PvT and in so doing open up some strategic diversity and room for experimentation. and I think you can see that in the way herO and Classic have played, if not necessarily in the way things have turned out--with a slightly weakened Cyclone, Protoss has more scope for strat diversity and aggression in the early game, and with slightly weakened mines and liberators there's less tunnel-vision fear of just avoiding Terran getting to an unstoppable ghost-Liberator army.

ofc it's historically the case that Protoss just does better on new maps and right after a new patch. and the psychological impact on Terrans of "getting nerfed" and having to figure out new maps is also a thing. which is why it would be absurd to undo the patch after a few days because some Protoss won a few games. it may well be the case that Terran will quickly figure things out and PvT will go back to being heavily Terran-favored again. we really don't know.

still it's a nice change

On March 28 2024 21:45 darklycid wrote:

Lol so WM is Bad now because the warning has massive Impact on pro Level and the cyclone is now Bad as Well because of 2 Games without a Stargate Opener. And the 2nd Game is the Patch because of slow Play? Clown Takes.

On March 28 2024 21:49 Vindicare605 wrote:


Even if everything you said was true. It is literally IMPOSSIBLE to infer all of that with any kind of statistical significance, from a single Bo3, regardless of how much variance was actually in it.

And I don't think everything you said was true. I saw almost nothing in that series that was the result of the balance patch, the maps? Yes, the patch, no.

On March 28 2024 21:57 Pandain wrote:
Any good games/series so far?

On March 28 2024 21:59 Captain Peabody wrote:

I mean I'm not making a statistical argument nor is statistics the means by which balance in individual games and series is affected--people make choices and things go well or badly. but I agree there's no point to trying to infer the total state of balance at this point in the patch cycle. more importantly these have been great games and Classic and herO have played very well. idk if Maru losing to herO is a sign that he's underperforming even, but Byun did feel somewhat one-dimensional and "figured out" this series and made a lot of mistakes. we'll see how Classic does vs Maru on the rematch.

On March 28 2024 22:01 darklycid wrote:

If you think pvt was fine before because maxpax can win ESL weeklies idk what to Tell you.

On March 28 2024 22:15 Tsubbi wrote:
Do Tempest ever work in PvT?

On March 28 2024 22:25 tigera6 wrote:
Maru when not doing crazy shit WM drop is just so good to watch.

On March 29 2024 12:26 JJH777 wrote:


Which is what makes it so weird to me when people credit his prep or even worse his teams prep on his behalf for his results. I can't recall ever watching a Maru series and thinking he won it because his builds were planned out so well. I guess him vs Inno in 2013 OSL qualifies. Other than that it always feels like he wins in spite of his build decisions rather than because of them. But it's also a fact that he's more successful in prep tournaments than weekend style even for tournaments within Korea so who knows.

On March 29 2024 12:37 Vindicare605 wrote:


Yup yup. When you can explain that contradiction lemme know what you come up with because I'm as baffled by it as you are.

On March 31 2024 04:08 Fango wrote:

You could make the same contraction for sOs.

sOs was considered a strategic genius, who would often gain massive leads through smart build orders only to barely win 15 minutes later due to mediocre mechanics. Maru's the exact reverse, his poor build order choices put him behind in games but he wins anyway with unmatched macro and multitasking.

Yet sOs never won a preparation tournament, and Maru never won a World Championship. Even in proleague, sOs's highlights were a lot of on-the-fly tactics or all-kills.

There might be something to the idea that players who suck at devising builds are actually better in preparation tournaments, as they can spend a week practicing the ins and outs of one matchup and adjusting for their opponent, instead of having a bag of builds 30 deep.

Alternatively, the answer people gave in 2016 is that Maru's injuries are likely to flair up in a big marathon tournament, but he can succeed when playing just a single match at a time. Which has probably been a factor somewhere down the line.