EPT[GSL 2024] Code S:S1 - Quarterfinals - Group A - Page 5
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geokilla
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12391 Posts
On March 28 2024 22:22 darklycid wrote: Man look at the patch ripping terran apart. Ripping terran apart is for clowns obviously this community is never going to let a patch through where protoss is very good, but I do believe it's going to be the best race by a small margin. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
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Captain Peabody
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tigera6
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
On March 28 2024 22:25 tigera6 wrote: Maru when not doing crazy shit WM drop is just so good to watch. For real for real though. When Maru isn't making me question his opener (which is like 25-33% of his games) he's a very good player. | ||
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Nasigil1
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
Poll: Recommend Match 1: Maru vs Classic Yes (11) No (1) If you have time (0) 12 total votes Your vote: Recommend Match 1: Maru vs Classic Poll: Recommend Match 2: Byun vs herO Yes (10) No (0) If you have time (0) 10 total votes Your vote: Recommend Match 2: Byun vs herO Poll: Recommend Winner's Match Yes (6) No (3) If you have time (3) 12 total votes Your vote: Recommend Winner's Match Poll: Recommend Loser's Match? If you have time (6) Yes (1) No (1) 8 total votes Your vote: Recommend Loser's Match? Poll: Recommend Final Match If you have time (7) Yes (2) No (1) 10 total votes Your vote: Recommend Final Match | ||
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Harris1st
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WombaT
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Argonauta
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JJH777
United States4415 Posts
On March 28 2024 22:26 Vindicare605 wrote: For real for real though. When Maru isn't making me question his opener (which is like 25-33% of his games) he's a very good player. Which is what makes it so weird to me when people credit his prep or even worse his teams prep on his behalf for his results. I can't recall ever watching a Maru series and thinking he won it because his builds were planned out so well. I guess him vs Inno in 2013 OSL qualifies. Other than that it always feels like he wins in spite of his build decisions rather than because of them. But it's also a fact that he's more successful in prep tournaments than weekend style even for tournaments within Korea so who knows. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
On March 29 2024 12:26 JJH777 wrote: Which is what makes it so weird to me when people credit his prep or even worse his teams prep on his behalf for his results. I can't recall ever watching a Maru series and thinking he won it because his builds were planned out so well. I guess him vs Inno in 2013 OSL qualifies. Other than that it always feels like he wins in spite of his build decisions rather than because of them. But it's also a fact that he's more successful in prep tournaments than weekend style even for tournaments within Korea so who knows. Yup yup. When you can explain that contradiction lemme know what you come up with because I'm as baffled by it as you are. | ||
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kaos00
United States125 Posts
sure went from 0 to 100. It would have been interesting seeing Tempest look successful - maybe that works vs any other Terran but not the king of ghosts. Also to the above - Maru is just goat level in all aspects of his play except early game build decisions and perhaps stamina for weekenders? Not that he's strong in preparing builds, just that he isn't able to give his best for weekenders or it might be that he needs more mental preparation for his match itinerary. | ||
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tigera6
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On March 29 2024 12:26 JJH777 wrote: Which is what makes it so weird to me when people credit his prep or even worse his teams prep on his behalf for his results. I can't recall ever watching a Maru series and thinking he won it because his builds were planned out so well. I guess him vs Inno in 2013 OSL qualifies. Other than that it always feels like he wins in spite of his build decisions rather than because of them. But it's also a fact that he's more successful in prep tournaments than weekend style even for tournaments within Korea so who knows. I believe its a mis-conception that Maru play better in prep tournaments than weekend style. Yes, he has won 7 GSL and thats undeniable, but I dont see him perform that much better in those GSL win, at least the last 3, comparing to what he did in other tournaments. Sometimes its just a matter of a coin flip and how much he feel on that day, and he probably feel more comfortable in GSL with KR fans watching. But he has reached multiple finals in international tournaments as well, its not like he just sucks and never make a deep run there. But yeah, Maru build opening are very unstable, sometimes its too risky, and sometimes its too greedy and he doesnt spend extra effort onto scouting as much as others. And if he failed with some build, he tends to literally do it again the very next game trying to make a point that he can do better. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 29 2024 12:37 Vindicare605 wrote: Yup yup. When you can explain that contradiction lemme know what you come up with because I'm as baffled by it as you are. You could make the same contraction for sOs. sOs was considered a strategic genius, who would often gain massive leads through smart build orders only to barely win 15 minutes later due to mediocre mechanics. Maru's the exact reverse, his poor build order choices put him behind in games but he wins anyway with unmatched macro and multitasking. Yet sOs never won a preparation tournament, and Maru never won a World Championship. Even in proleague, sOs's highlights were a lot of on-the-fly tactics or all-kills. There might be something to the idea that players who suck at devising builds are actually better in preparation tournaments, as they can spend a week practicing the ins and outs of one matchup and adjusting for their opponent, instead of having a bag of builds 30 deep. Alternatively, the answer people gave in 2016 is that Maru's injuries are likely to flair up in a big marathon tournament, but he can succeed when playing just a single match at a time. Which has probably been a factor somewhere down the line. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16044 Posts
On March 31 2024 04:08 Fango wrote: You could make the same contraction for sOs. sOs was considered a strategic genius, who would often gain massive leads through smart build orders only to barely win 15 minutes later due to mediocre mechanics. Maru's the exact reverse, his poor build order choices put him behind in games but he wins anyway with unmatched macro and multitasking. Yet sOs never won a preparation tournament, and Maru never won a World Championship. Even in proleague, sOs's highlights were a lot of on-the-fly tactics or all-kills. There might be something to the idea that players who suck at devising builds are actually better in preparation tournaments, as they can spend a week practicing the ins and outs of one matchup and adjusting for their opponent, instead of having a bag of builds 30 deep. Alternatively, the answer people gave in 2016 is that Maru's injuries are likely to flair up in a big marathon tournament, but he can succeed when playing just a single match at a time. Which has probably been a factor somewhere down the line. That's pretty much what he said in his interview with Crank - it makes no difference to him if the tournament is in korea or not, his form only depends on the condition of his wrists. But the rest of your post makes a lot of sense, when everyone has 1 week/weeks to prepare the advantage of being a build order magician may become less of an advantage because other players can also cook up something good with such a long preparation time | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
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Argonauta
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