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geokilla
Canada8245 Posts
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Antithesis
Germany1216 Posts
On February 10 2024 00:52 Fango wrote: Yeah, Showtime has always been a fantastic matchup for Maru. You could probably say Showtime's style doesn't lend itself well to PvT in general. Protoss has so much potential to mess up and tilt terran in the early game that he doesn't really do. Also, ShowTime always seems to want to win in the most honorable way imaginable, without any dirty tricks, while simultaneously apparently lacking confidence that he can do so against the absolute top dogs. This leads to him having terrible records against the likes of Serral and Maru. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
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dysenterymd
1250 Posts
On February 10 2024 01:00 Fango wrote: Maru def still kicking himself for not 2-0'ing Cyan and having a shot at 1st place, but he should get out the group at least now. Unless Reynor pulls it back the top 3 looks set PvP is unpredictable, herO is favored against Showtime but Showtime beating herO and Cyan to advance wouldn't be shocking. | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2655 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On February 10 2024 01:00 Antithesis wrote: Also, ShowTime always seems to want to win in the most honorable way imaginable, without any dirty tricks, while simultaneously apparently lacking confidence that he can do so against the absolute top dogs. This leads to him having terrible records against the likes of Serral and Maru. Yeah, Stats latterly was a bit like that too, although peak Stats was good enough to pull it off. Perhaps a confidence thing, perhaps it’s only really an approach that you can pull off if you’re as good as an opponent in a long, straight-up game. Pretty damn clean game there from herO | ||
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stilt
France2754 Posts
On February 10 2024 01:03 TheLordofAwesome wrote: How did Reynor lose g1? Did his play look good or sloppy? He was pretty bad | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2655 Posts
and he still has to face Dark and the Maru-slayer Cyan.... | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On February 10 2024 01:00 Antithesis wrote: Also, ShowTime always seems to want to win in the most honorable way imaginable, without any dirty tricks, while simultaneously apparently lacking confidence that he can do so against the absolute top dogs. This leads to him having terrible records against the likes of Serral and Maru. Goes to show how impressive Stats is that he pulled off wins against Serral and Maru while barely dipping into the dirty protoss bag at all. At the same time, the protoss bag hasn't looked deep enough to actually win tournaments in a few years now. Maybe playing defensive is actually the best way to win? Can you expect protoss players to really enter tournaments with 25 surprise builds? | ||
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Durnuu
13322 Posts
On February 10 2024 01:00 geokilla wrote: Reynor is washed Never forget | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16117 Posts
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Luolis
Finland7157 Posts
On February 10 2024 01:09 Vindicare605 wrote: Everyone goes through slumps from time to time, and Reynor got placed in the second hardest group in the tournament. Not everyone can have Serral's bracket luck. He lost to Showtime. | ||
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dysenterymd
1250 Posts
On February 10 2024 01:06 Fango wrote: Goes to show how impressive Stats is that he pulled off wins against Serral and Maru while barely dipping into the dirty protoss bag at all. At the same time, the protoss bag hasn't looked deep enough to actually win tournaments in a few years now. Maybe playing defensive is actually the best way to win? Can you expect protoss players to really enter tournaments with 25 surprise builds? Defensive Protoss play doesn't actually look too bad these days against Zerg, as long as you get a few drone kills with your adepts/oracles. Still unwise for P to drag it out into the late game against the likes of Serral or Dark, but chilling until the later mid-game is viable. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16117 Posts
Yup he's slumping. No doubt about it. | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1254 Posts
On February 10 2024 00:32 Fango wrote: 500 bucks is nice, but there's zero stress involved in that match, especially when winning his first playoff series nets him an extra $20K. He's not gonna pull out any of his best builds compared to the players fighting for their tournament life tomorrow. As for prep, sure you don't know your ro8 opponent until tomorrow, but you still get time to rest, look over everyone else's games, and think about builds in different cases. And all that rest is in addition to the extra guaranteed $10K, and not having to play the ro8. Going 4-0 is worth any of those rewards on their own, let alone all of them He skips the Ro12, not Ro8. So one Bo5, which is fair when you get 1st place in my opinion. If you wanted to avoid it, you would have to either reduce the amount of players qualifying to 8 (which can make for very boring groups), increase the amount of players to 16 (which makes for even more boring groups) or shuffle the schedule around, but then people joining for the day get "less SC2 for their bug". For example if groups would be done today, you could do the Ro8/Ro12 tomorrow and then Ro4+Finals on Sunday, but the SC2 day then reduces by like four hours on sunday. | ||
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Kori
Germany58 Posts
Dark almost did as well. Speaks to Showtime moreso than to Reynor imo | ||
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Durnuu
13322 Posts
Lost to PROTOSS | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2655 Posts
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Antithesis
Germany1216 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On February 10 2024 01:12 Balnazza wrote: He skips the Ro12, not Ro8. So one Bo5, which is fair when you get 1st place in my opinion. If you wanted to avoid it, you would have to either reduce the amount of players qualifying to 8 (which can make for very boring groups), increase the amount of players to 16 (which makes for even more boring groups) or shuffle the schedule around, but then people joining for the day get "less SC2 for their bug". For example if groups would be done today, you could do the Ro8/Ro12 tomorrow and then Ro4+Finals on Sunday, but the SC2 day then reduces by like four hours on sunday. Sorry, I meant to say not playing the ro12 there. But my point is mainly that going straight to the ro8 is a fine reward for getting 1st (literally $10K extra). But getting an entire day of no relevant matches is a bit much. Especially considering how varied the groups are. For example, Dark might win all his matches and still be fighting to get 1st in the group tomorrow, just because his group is that much harder and closer. In the past, they did ro12+ro8 on saturday, and ro4+finals on sunday. I don't think people joining on sunday getting more livematches is that big of a deal compared to players getting such big advantages. | ||
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