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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12907 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-09 10:52:19
February 09 2024 10:51 GMT
#261
On February 09 2024 16:36 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2024 16:19 Balnazza wrote:
On February 09 2024 14:03 yezzir88 wrote:
Serral has never gotten a group of death in a premier event of significance. I wonder why


It is extremly rare for one of the "if they don't win it is a dissappointement"-type of players to get a "Group of Death". Worst case you usually only get one other top player (which happened to Serral in the past). Group D is just a really big coincidence that doesn't particular happen every year. And if you really just roll a D4 six times...you can get results like this, easily.

On February 09 2024 15:27 Neptuneajax wrote:
Are you insinuating something? Because if you are please back that up with with something factual.


It's just the next episode of "ESL is helping the EU boys *hurrdurr*". Source: "No one can beat koreans at SC2 in any shape or form, so it is either manipulation, cheating and/or balance, dude trust me!"

And while I wish ESL would do the seeding a bit more carefully (aka. truely seed through points only, no draw) or would atleast finally do draw-shows...it could get worse. In the next CS2 Major, higher ranked teams actually get punished for that (aka. the 1st seed plays against the 8th seed, 2nd seed vs. 9th etc.)

Getting a 25% chance of an event for 4 times in a row is around 0.4%. And if you still say that means it COULD happen, then yes, you are right, it could although I dont expect it to happen more than once or twice in the history of the IEM Katowice.

Also, the last couple times when this happen IIRC was IEM 2022, we had Maru #1 overall seed the same group with Clem (#1 in tier 2), Raynor (#1 in tier 3), Scarlett (#1 in tier 4), Zoun (#3 in tier 5) and Byun (#1 in tier 6).

Also, the IEM before that, we had TY (#1 overall) get into the same group with Maru (#1 in tier 2), Clem (#1 in tier 3), Solar (#3 in tier 4), Showtime (#1 in tier 5), and Byun (#1 in tier 6). So yes, these group of death kinda happen quite often base on players overall seeding.


I am a bit too lazy (and kinda trying to get work done before the start of the stream so the day isn't completely wasted on enjoying the games ) to do the math atm, but I am pretty sure the odds of Serral (usually #1 seed or at worst #3 these last few years) NOT being in a group of death are not 25%. It's probably more like 90% or so ; firstly because he has a good seed so unless a top player underperforms the whole year (like herO did), there is a pretty low chance of a group of death happening in the first place. Secondly because Serral is so strong that most groups will be perceived as "easy" for him, which is expected because the other top top players are usually seeded in the other groups.

Therefore which group is "easiest" is kinda subjective and outside of group D, the other groups are of similar difficulty for Serral. I assume it's the same for every other year, so the odds are like (if there is a group of death every year, even for Serral): 75% chances of NOT being in the group of death, because every group other than the hypothetical group of death is of same difficulty for Serral, 25% chances of being in the group of death. 0.75^4 is roughly 31%, so Serral should have been put into the group of death at least once in 4 years roughly with 69% odds.
It's not particularly incredible odds either way.
WriterMaru
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7157 Posts
February 09 2024 11:17 GMT
#262
Cure 2-0 Bunny in a fast cyclone heavy series.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7157 Posts
February 09 2024 11:20 GMT
#263
SHIN with the shittiest queen walk of all time, but Stats has no units and a fast 2-0 there too. Atleast Clem-Oliveira g2 looks like it could be interesting.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Ciaus237
Profile Joined July 2015
South Africa286 Posts
February 09 2024 11:20 GMT
#264
Stats vs Shin was one of the PvZ series of all time.
The time that we kill keeps us alive
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17725 Posts
February 09 2024 11:35 GMT
#265
Clem vs Oliveira was literally insane lol
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16118 Posts
February 09 2024 11:35 GMT
#266
At 22 mins in, Clem vs Oliveira had 11 workers each. lol.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
February 09 2024 11:35 GMT
#267
Damn exhausting tvt between Clem and Oliveira
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4522 Posts
February 09 2024 11:35 GMT
#268
what a game.
hi. big fan.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
February 09 2024 11:35 GMT
#269
On February 09 2024 20:35 Die4Ever wrote:
Clem vs Oliveira was literally insane lol

What a game, I can’t even imagine how stressful a game like that is to play.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Sorusaba
Profile Joined October 2017
294 Posts
February 09 2024 11:36 GMT
#270
Clem VS Oliveira game 2, jesus chris what a game hahaha
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1382 Posts
February 09 2024 11:36 GMT
#271
On February 09 2024 20:35 Vindicare605 wrote:
At 22 mins in, Clem vs Oliveira had 11 workers each. lol.

Terran doesn't need workers once they have enough CCs...

puking up frothing vitriolic sarcastic spittle
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12907 Posts
February 09 2024 11:36 GMT
#272
Oliveira playing so well but it was not enough
Ggs to both players, insane first series
WriterMaru
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7157 Posts
February 09 2024 11:37 GMT
#273
That g2 was sick. Oliveira almost pulled it back, but at the end Clem had just barely enough. I really appreciate ZG mentioning the effect of +2 vehicle weapons. Those tanks one shotting marines was huge at the end.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14461 Posts
February 09 2024 11:38 GMT
#274
Very nice serie
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
February 09 2024 11:39 GMT
#275
On February 09 2024 20:36 MJG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2024 20:35 Vindicare605 wrote:
At 22 mins in, Clem vs Oliveira had 11 workers each. lol.

Terran doesn't need workers once they have enough CCs...


It becomes a problem when you also don’t have many CCs haha
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16118 Posts
February 09 2024 11:40 GMT
#276
On February 09 2024 20:36 MJG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2024 20:35 Vindicare605 wrote:
At 22 mins in, Clem vs Oliveira had 11 workers each. lol.

Terran doesn't need workers once they have enough CCs...



They didn't have CC's either lol.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4522 Posts
February 09 2024 11:41 GMT
#277
definition of a slug fest
hi. big fan.
Ciaus237
Profile Joined July 2015
South Africa286 Posts
February 09 2024 11:50 GMT
#278
Sick game. Best of the tournament so far I think.
The time that we kill keeps us alive
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
February 09 2024 11:53 GMT
#279
so how's the schedule for this? i noticed every group played 2 matches for each player yesterday. since there's 6 players in each group, each player needs to play 5 matches.

so will they play 2 again today, then the final one and ro12 or smth on saturday?
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7157 Posts
February 09 2024 11:54 GMT
#280
On February 09 2024 20:53 Schelim wrote:
so how's the schedule for this? i noticed every group played 2 matches for each player yesterday. since there's 6 players in each group, each player needs to play 5 matches.

so will they play 2 again today, then the final one and ro12 or smth on saturday?

Yeah 2 today, final one and ro12 tomorrow, ro8 to finals on sunday.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
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