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Onsyde Gaming vs Dragon Kaizi Gaming's lineup look promising.
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France12886 Posts
TY making the rookie mistake of making cyclones in TvZ. Hellbats push didn't work with marauders, they don't work either with the new cyclone.
Freecs will probably get relegated at this rate 
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Armani playing one of the best early/mid game into one of the worst late game in ZvT really tell me why hes hasnt qualified for GSL these days.
Also, I feel like MaxPax mid-late game in PvT is getting exposed by a bit. He doesnt really play with lots of Robo/Stargate unit, just trying to bait the Terran army out of position and then getting the Zealot backstab + Warp Prism for the eco damage. I have seen Cure, and now Clem always have a group of Bio unit inside their base to deal with those.
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Liking the new sponsor? 
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Serrals ZvZ is starting to become a problem, damn
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Canada8989 Posts
The 50/50 curse has been passed onto Serral
Edit: nvm, it's a virus
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Reynor just took it back.
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Basilisk should go for the gigachad move and send out Trigger for the Ace
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Canada8989 Posts
On October 28 2023 21:42 digmouse wrote:Liking the new sponsor?
What kind of companies are they?
Edit: Absolutely bonker build from Nice
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Nice should have never attacked, just turtle on his base and wait until Serral got the call from ESL for his match.
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that was unexpected! great game from Nice too. there was a moment he made me believe, but even 1 point from Basilisk is amazing.
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The fact SLT got an ace match shouldn't even have happened in the first place, good on them to grab at least a point, playoff purposes, this might be that important.
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France12886 Posts
Incredible results from SLT wow.
I voted MYG for liquibets, didn’t expect them to be destroyed by Matcherino
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Canada8989 Posts
Is there's some SSLT-Firefly drama? I'm sure the Chinese forums will have a field day with that one.
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On October 29 2023 21:24 Nakajin wrote:
Is there's some SSLT-Firefly drama? I'm sure the Chinese forums will have a field day with that one.
Don't think so. Not like he left SSLT on bad terms or anything.
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On October 29 2023 23:15 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2023 21:24 Nakajin wrote:
Is there's some SSLT-Firefly drama? I'm sure the Chinese forums will have a field day with that one. Don't think so. Not like he left SSLT on bad terms or anything.
kk, I wonder what the probe hallucinations were all about. Felt a bit unnecessary, but I guess Firefly really did demolish him.
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France12886 Posts
Why no Maru, because of TvZ? I feel like Onsyde had a shot at winning :/
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United States33403 Posts
As a GSL preview, still makes me confident that Dark is prolly the best super-late ZvZ player in the world.
Although even in a BO7, I don't know if we get even one of those types of games.
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That map isnt very good for Terran so ZvZ is a better choice, but damn Solar just got picked apart in lategame.
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On October 30 2023 00:10 tigera6 wrote:
That map isnt very good for Terran so ZvZ is a better choice, but damn Solar just got picked apart in lategame.
Turns out that Solar ain’t’ a ZvZ god, Serral is just a ZvZ chobo
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On October 30 2023 00:28 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2023 00:10 tigera6 wrote:
That map isnt very good for Terran so ZvZ is a better choice, but damn Solar just got picked apart in lategame. Turns out that Solar ain’t’ a ZvZ god, Serral is just a ZvZ chobo
Serral is literally the highest ranked ZvZ player on Earth. People are overrating the significance of small sample sizes.
Solar is second, roughly 100 ELO behind Serral, and Dark is third, roughly 100 ELO behind Solar. Considering the volatility of ZvZ, there is no surprise whatsoever in anyone of the three beating anyone else on one occasion or another.
This being so, it's understandable that Onsyde would send Solar rather than Maru.
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On October 30 2023 04:33 Antithesis wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2023 00:28 Poopi wrote:On October 30 2023 00:10 tigera6 wrote:
That map isnt very good for Terran so ZvZ is a better choice, but damn Solar just got picked apart in lategame. Turns out that Solar ain’t’ a ZvZ god, Serral is just a ZvZ chobo Serral is literally the highest ranked ZvZ player on Earth. People are overrating the significance of small sample sizes. Solar is second, roughly 100 ELO behind Serral, and Dark is third, roughly 100 ELO behind Solar. Considering the volatility of ZvZ, there is no surprise whatsoever in anyone of the three beating anyone else on one occasion or another. This being so, it's understandable that Onsyde would send Solar rather than Maru.
One of the many problems with aligulac is that it gives points to all matchups for any win. A series win in ZvP boosts all 3 of Serral's (or any players) matchup ratings. Serral's insane ZvP and ZvT winrates guarantee he'll be number 1 in ZvZ even if he does lackluster in the matchup as he has for most of this year.
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It was kind of a joke anyways.
I cheered for Onsyde and I saw relatively early on that Dark was (as usual) controlling his spellcasters very well.
Maybe Solar has a really good grasp of ZvZ timings on most maps but since this map felt like a no rush 10mn type of map, he was forced into late game ZvZ where Dark can shine?
No clean sheet for Onsyde, it’s gonna be a difficult season with TL being strong as well
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On October 30 2023 06:32 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2023 04:33 Antithesis wrote:On October 30 2023 00:28 Poopi wrote:On October 30 2023 00:10 tigera6 wrote:
That map isnt very good for Terran so ZvZ is a better choice, but damn Solar just got picked apart in lategame. Turns out that Solar ain’t’ a ZvZ god, Serral is just a ZvZ chobo Serral is literally the highest ranked ZvZ player on Earth. People are overrating the significance of small sample sizes. Solar is second, roughly 100 ELO behind Serral, and Dark is third, roughly 100 ELO behind Solar. Considering the volatility of ZvZ, there is no surprise whatsoever in anyone of the three beating anyone else on one occasion or another. This being so, it's understandable that Onsyde would send Solar rather than Maru. One of the many problems with aligulac is that it gives points to all matchups for any win. A series win in ZvP boosts all 3 of Serral's (or any players) matchup ratings. Serral's insane ZvP and ZvT winrates guarantee he'll be number 1 in ZvZ even if he does lackluster in the matchup as he has for most of this year.
Interesting. This is the first time I hear about this. How does this work, exactly? I just checked the Aligulac FAQ but could not find any details on it. There is a special case where "If a player only plays games against one race during a period, only the overall rating will change". But this cannot apply to Serral nor to any other active player, as they play many matches of all matchups during each period. In contrast, the general rule, according to the Aligulac FAQ, is that "The overall rating is always the mean of the matchup ratings." To me this seems to mean that the overall rating is a function of the matchup ratings, not the other way around.
I agree that if the matchup ratings were a function of the overall rating, that would be a problem with Aligulac. In fact, it would undermine the sole purpose of the matchup ratings.
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On October 30 2023 08:00 Antithesis wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2023 06:32 JJH777 wrote:On October 30 2023 04:33 Antithesis wrote:On October 30 2023 00:28 Poopi wrote:On October 30 2023 00:10 tigera6 wrote:
That map isnt very good for Terran so ZvZ is a better choice, but damn Solar just got picked apart in lategame. Turns out that Solar ain’t’ a ZvZ god, Serral is just a ZvZ chobo Serral is literally the highest ranked ZvZ player on Earth. People are overrating the significance of small sample sizes. Solar is second, roughly 100 ELO behind Serral, and Dark is third, roughly 100 ELO behind Solar. Considering the volatility of ZvZ, there is no surprise whatsoever in anyone of the three beating anyone else on one occasion or another. This being so, it's understandable that Onsyde would send Solar rather than Maru. One of the many problems with aligulac is that it gives points to all matchups for any win. A series win in ZvP boosts all 3 of Serral's (or any players) matchup ratings. Serral's insane ZvP and ZvT winrates guarantee he'll be number 1 in ZvZ even if he does lackluster in the matchup as he has for most of this year. Interesting. This is the first time I hear about this. How does this work, exactly? I just checked the Aligulac FAQ but could not find any details on it. There is a special case where "If a player only plays games against one race during a period, only the overall rating will change". But this cannot apply to Serral nor to any other active player, as they play many matches of all matchups during each period. In contrast, the general rule, according to the Aligulac FAQ, is that "The overall rating is always the mean of the matchup ratings." To me this seems to mean that the overall rating is a function of the matchup ratings, not the other way around. I agree that if the matchup ratings were a function of the overall rating, that would be a problem with Aligulac. In fact, it would undermine the sole purpose of the matchup ratings.
I can't tell you how it works but it's easy to verify. Aligulac ratings update around 5pm PST each day. Check the top players match history and look for someone who's only played 1 or 2 of the 3 possible race matchups during that 24 hour period. Their rating in the third matchup will still change pretty much without fail. It will be a much smaller change than the ratings in the matchups they did play but it's still impacted.
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On October 30 2023 07:49 Poopi wrote:
It was kind of a joke anyways.
I cheered for Onsyde and I saw relatively early on that Dark was (as usual) controlling his spellcasters very well.
Maybe Solar has a really good grasp of ZvZ timings on most maps but since this map felt like a no rush 10mn type of map, he was forced into late game ZvZ where Dark can shine?
No clean sheet for Onsyde, it’s gonna be a difficult season with TL being strong as well
Last season Onsyde also lost in Ace match to DKZ as well, so I am not so worried as long as they can still beat Shopify and TL, the matchup in generally favored Onsyde there. Plus, we have Basilisk also struggle a bit more now compare to last season, Serral already dropped 3 maps this season while he only drop one map for the entire last season.
As for Solar, I always feel like multi-prong defense has been his issue, hes much better at a frontal fight than splitting the army left and right to deal with attack at different location. Meanwhile, Dark is the master at this, how he like to attack multiple locations at the same time like a Terran.
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