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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3398 Posts
August 13 2023 18:03 GMT
#81
I think having Maru taking out Reynor was huge, putting Serral to play Maru first in long macro game, and he was playing the full series against Abydos, does somehow affect his performance in the match against Solar.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17676 Posts
August 13 2023 18:20 GMT
#82
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12886 Posts
August 13 2023 18:27 GMT
#83
Nice, Onsyde won!
I am kinda disappointed Maru lost to Serral but the match-up is difficult for terran so not surprising. Solar as usual carrying hard with the victories in ZvZ!
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3398 Posts
August 13 2023 18:33 GMT
#84
Outside of his GSL Final against Dark, Maru hasnt played a single turtling-Terran game in recent memory. I am not sure what cause him to change his style again, but I dont think Terran getting aggressive on the big map is a very good idea. Clem is the most extreme of this, I dont think he can beat Solar/Reynor/Serral being aggressive, but we still see Cure and Maru doing the same thing, and they dont have Clem micro.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15967 Posts
August 13 2023 19:12 GMT
#85
On August 14 2023 03:33 tigera6 wrote:
Outside of his GSL Final against Dark, Maru hasnt played a single turtling-Terran game in recent memory. I am not sure what cause him to change his style again, but I dont think Terran getting aggressive on the big map is a very good idea. Clem is the most extreme of this, I dont think he can beat Solar/Reynor/Serral being aggressive, but we still see Cure and Maru doing the same thing, and they dont have Clem micro.

Interestingly enough Cure also did the turtling style vs Dark in GSL and won convincingly with it but didn't attempt it vs Serral/Reynor.
I have no idea why they prefer playing aggressive against them.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
August 13 2023 19:15 GMT
#86
On August 14 2023 04:12 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2023 03:33 tigera6 wrote:
Outside of his GSL Final against Dark, Maru hasnt played a single turtling-Terran game in recent memory. I am not sure what cause him to change his style again, but I dont think Terran getting aggressive on the big map is a very good idea. Clem is the most extreme of this, I dont think he can beat Solar/Reynor/Serral being aggressive, but we still see Cure and Maru doing the same thing, and they dont have Clem micro.

Interestingly enough Cure also did the turtling style vs Dark in GSL and won convincingly with it but didn't attempt it vs Serral/Reynor.
I have no idea why they prefer playing aggressive against them.


Probably because going defensive against Dark who is known for being hyper aggro with Roaches is a good idea.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33403 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-08-13 21:13:13
August 13 2023 21:10 GMT
#87
On August 14 2023 04:12 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2023 03:33 tigera6 wrote:
Outside of his GSL Final against Dark, Maru hasnt played a single turtling-Terran game in recent memory. I am not sure what cause him to change his style again, but I dont think Terran getting aggressive on the big map is a very good idea. Clem is the most extreme of this, I dont think he can beat Solar/Reynor/Serral being aggressive, but we still see Cure and Maru doing the same thing, and they dont have Clem micro.

Interestingly enough Cure also did the turtling style vs Dark in GSL and won convincingly with it but didn't attempt it vs Serral/Reynor.
I have no idea why they prefer playing aggressive against them.


Neither of them plays a dedicated turtle plan from the start that much these days, unless it's like NeoHumanity. If you sit back, Zerg will just get massive econ/production and overwhelm you in the mid-game.
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buzz_bender
Profile Joined August 2019
445 Posts
August 14 2023 02:15 GMT
#88
On August 14 2023 06:10 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2023 04:12 Charoisaur wrote:
On August 14 2023 03:33 tigera6 wrote:
Outside of his GSL Final against Dark, Maru hasnt played a single turtling-Terran game in recent memory. I am not sure what cause him to change his style again, but I dont think Terran getting aggressive on the big map is a very good idea. Clem is the most extreme of this, I dont think he can beat Solar/Reynor/Serral being aggressive, but we still see Cure and Maru doing the same thing, and they dont have Clem micro.

Interestingly enough Cure also did the turtling style vs Dark in GSL and won convincingly with it but didn't attempt it vs Serral/Reynor.
I have no idea why they prefer playing aggressive against them.


Neither of them plays a dedicated turtle plan from the start that much these days, unless it's like NeoHumanity. If you sit back, Zerg will just get massive econ/production and overwhelm you in the mid-game.


Yeah, I think all the best Zergs have figured out how to play against turtling Terran these days, and that is why we hardly see them these days. There must be a reason why it's been largely unused. If it works all the time, I guarantee that all the Terrans would keep doing that.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3398 Posts
August 14 2023 03:09 GMT
#89
I feel that in a couple games they can transition into late game turtle after getting to 4/5 bases before the Zerg get full map control. Like game 1 from Maru against Serral in WTL, I think he could transition into Tanks/Libs the moment he saw Hydra/Lurker is out, and start staying more on his bases more, while sending a small group of units to deny the outer base from Zerg. The weakness of turtling Terran is often that they have to spend lots of resource on buildings up-front and might not have enough to rebuild against non-stop bane crash on the 4th/5th base, but Maru was able to get map control early with Bio+Mines vs LingBane.
shadowyice
Profile Joined June 2023
17 Posts
August 14 2023 06:54 GMT
#90
Solar 5-0 Serral since G8, another nemesis?
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3398 Posts
August 14 2023 12:21 GMT
#91
Apparently Abydos disbanded today, and some players already looking for new teams.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17676 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-08-14 23:59:27
August 14 2023 23:57 GMT
#92
On August 14 2023 21:21 tigera6 wrote:
Apparently Abydos disbanded today, and some players already looking for new teams.

you seem to be correct
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I don't see an announcement or anything

Creator appears to be on NV now (Wiki)Creator

but Cure, DRG, and Nightmare seem to be teamless currently

edit: I made a new topic just for this https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/615258-abydos-disbanded
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