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China6329 Posts
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Not sure if SSLT is capable of taking 2 maps off of Cure, let alone beating ABYDOS, but I hope they have another miracle up their sleeves!
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Best songs between games.
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Now I just realize Cure has become "Mr 2nd place" of 2023, lost to Maru-Serral-Reynor in 3 tournaments. Lets see if he can get Abydos to the Final this time.
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Canada8989 Posts
Wow, the mad lad did it again
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Elazer forgetting baneling speed is probably going to cost him this game
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Elazer, in true Polish Zerg fashion, refuses to make a Hive
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This is the first time since Gold Series Team Championship 2020 Fall where a match goes to Ace after 4 1-1 ties
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I feel that Dark is seriously disrespecting Creator with his play
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DRG is still very dangerous in TvZ.
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Surely DKZ should send Dark now since ABYDOS will revive Cure
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lol sometimes I feel like playing a normal game against Serral is a better idea than trying to cheese him (unless you're zerg)
I hope this all-kill format with revive doesn't turn this into a one-man show, I'd rather they didn't have the revive
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so what's the idea starting with Nightmare? is he actually better than DRG/Creator/Cure? I think any of those 3 is a better choice vs Serral or Reynor
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On August 13 2023 20:53 Die4Ever wrote:
so what's the idea starting with Nightmare? is he actually better than DRG/Creator/Cure? I think any of those 3 is a better choice vs Serral or Reynor
Hope that BASILISK start with trigger?
Anyway I'd start DRG since he probably has the best odd vZ
edit: why does ABYDOS keep sending P against Serral...
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On August 13 2023 20:56 FCHK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2023 20:53 Die4Ever wrote:
so what's the idea starting with Nightmare? is he actually better than DRG/Creator/Cure? I think any of those 3 is a better choice vs Serral or Reynor Hope that BASILISK start with trigger? Anyway I'd start DRG since he probably has the best odd vZ edit: why does ABYDOS keep sending P against Serral...
yea I would've tried DRG before Creator lol especially with how well DRG was playing yesterday, I do think Creator has a decent shot though?
but then again probably better to save Creator for Reynor
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Serral doing god's work, making this the most boring tournament since the last one that he won
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I feel like this match was lost when Abydos started with Nightmare, I like Nightmare but I just feel like the other 3 are better right now
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DKZ and ABYDOS could use a good coach for sure.
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Cure has to go 6-0? or 5-1 for ace match
I actually feel like DRG would've had a better shot lol, this seems impossible
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DKZ might have been eliminated, but the spirit of Dark lives on in Serral it seems
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Canada8989 Posts
Would be pretty funny if Serral just 14-0 the day tbh
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China6329 Posts
What just happened Cure just disappeared.
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burrowed infestor... I still don't know why Blizzard decided to make them practically invisible even while moving, while widow mines and DTs and stuff are easily visible
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Bizarre choice not to use DRG at all since he actually has a pretty good record vs Serral.
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On August 13 2023 22:46 JJH777 wrote:
Bizarre choice not to use DRG at all since he actually has a pretty good record vs Serral.
yea idk, I feel like Abydos did the worst possible player lineup and ordering they could've done
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The ultimate plot twist would be if Ryung somehow takes a game off of Reynor.
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Switching between US West/East is so biased for Reynor. At least assuming he's in Italy. Both games should be on West.
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That's some foreigner LBM right there
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Reynor with the Fantasy GG timing.
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Maru amazing especially since he likely had 200 ping in that game.
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So Maru just needs one win here and Onsyde takes it?
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Is this the first time Maru and Serral have met in the finals?
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On August 14 2023 01:30 lepricon1992 wrote:
Is this the first time Maru and Serral have met in the finals?
Are you just asking about WTL? Because Maru and Serral have faced each other in many finals going as far back as 2017.
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I'm amazed this is still so even considering Maru has just ignored Siege tanks completely.
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Damn I thought Maru was doing so well and then he's just 80 supply down? I feel like we missed an engagement lol.
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Fighting Hydralisks and Lurkers without Siege Tanks. It's a choice. I'm surprised that game went as long as it did.
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Maru wanted to be aggressive on this map because its not a turtling-map. But lets see if he would change that approach in a different map.
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China6329 Posts
News flash: Serral also happens to be one of the best defensive ZvT players if not the best if the scenario demands it.
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That was disappointing by Maru 
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Not sure what Maru saw that push him to be so aggressive. He was in a macro-able position there.
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Great defense from Serral in game2, eventhough Maru seemed overly aggressive a few times
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Holy guacamole, Serral is now 9-0 today, including a 2-0 over Maru and a 3-0 over Cure. Absolutely unreal.
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China6329 Posts
That's another WTF gg timing by Serral.
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Could have fought it out a few more mins, felt abit rushed
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On August 14 2023 02:12 Antithesis wrote:
Holy guacamole, Serral is now 9-0 today, including a 2-0 over Maru and a 3-0 over Cure. Absolutely unreal.
Abydos decided the best idea was to not throw a Zerg at Serral when its by far his weakest match up.
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Serral appears to be very frustrated about his premature withdrawal on the previous map
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Best way to kill a top zerg is another zerg, age old wisdom.
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On August 14 2023 02:23 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2023 02:12 Antithesis wrote:
Holy guacamole, Serral is now 9-0 today, including a 2-0 over Maru and a 3-0 over Cure. Absolutely unreal. Abydos decided the best idea was to not throw a Zerg at Serral when its by far his weakest match up.
Mondo robbed of his moment of glory
More seriously speaking, I can't blame them for 'rewarding' the players who carried them through the season with the most games. If ABYDOS/Club NV is really a social club and definitely-not-a-pro-team like they say, then it's correct to give NightMare the chance to play over optimizing chances of winning.
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On August 14 2023 02:12 Antithesis wrote:
Holy guacamole, Serral is now 9-0 today, including a 2-0 over Maru and a 3-0 over Cure. Absolutely unreal.
you jinxed him
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Really makes me wonder what DRG could have pulled against Serral too.
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On August 14 2023 02:31 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2023 02:12 Antithesis wrote:
Holy guacamole, Serral is now 9-0 today, including a 2-0 over Maru and a 3-0 over Cure. Absolutely unreal. you jinxed him
I knew it in the moment I wrote that post and saw that a ZvZ is coming up next.
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On August 14 2023 02:31 JJH777 wrote:
Really makes me wonder what DRG could have pulled against Serral too.
I still have no idea what Abydos was thinking, DRG was on a roll yesterday
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China6329 Posts
The performance of the no.2 player deciding a championship, I've seen this one.
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Solar feasting on the EU Zergs.
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So reynor got luck at g8 that solar lost? 
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I dont know how to say
but Solar is kind of MVP for the most seasons in the history of WTL
From Triumphant Song Gaming, Kaizi to Onsyde Gaming.
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On August 14 2023 02:55 darklycid wrote:So reynor got luck at g8 that solar lost?
not really, I still bet on Reynor beating Solar in a Bo5/7, but Solar is more than capable of taking a game or 2 from him.
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On August 14 2023 02:56 tigera6 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2023 02:55 darklycid wrote:So reynor got luck at g8 that solar lost? not really, I still bet on Reynor beating Solar in a Bo5/7, but Solar is more than capable of taking a game or 2 from him.
ya i was somewhat joking (tho i think reynor solar would have maybe been closer/better as a final)
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On August 14 2023 02:55 darklycid wrote:So reynor got luck at g8 that solar lost?
Oh for sure, not just that, but he got lucky that the only players he had to face in his entire playoff bracket were Terrans. He didn't have to prepare for more than one match up.
That's how it goes though, at the top level bracket luck is usually going to play a factor in who wins at the top level. Reynor had very favorable bracket luck at G8. He still had to do his part to win which he did, it's not always guaranteed. Like Maru had incredible bracket luck at Katowice this year but still blew it lol.
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Canada8989 Posts
Woah Solar for the win!
Basilisk undefeated campaign from the bottom of the qualifier come to a close at the very last step, GG Onsyde!
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United States33416 Posts
On August 14 2023 02:57 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2023 02:56 tigera6 wrote:On August 14 2023 02:55 darklycid wrote:So reynor got luck at g8 that solar lost? not really, I still bet on Reynor beating Solar in a Bo5/7, but Solar is more than capable of taking a game or 2 from him. ya i was somewhat joking (tho i think reynor solar would have maybe been closer/better as a final)
All my ZvZ analysis is just vibes, and today the vibes were good 
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On August 14 2023 02:57 Nakajin wrote:
Woah Solar for the win!
Basilisk undefeated campaign from the bottom of the qualifier come to a close at the very last step, GG Onsyde!
It was a full team win. Ryung did his part giving Onsyde the early lead so they had to go to their Zergs right away. Maru took out Reynor, and Solar took out Serral. Solar gets credit for the final blow but it was a whole team effort.
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United States33416 Posts
On August 14 2023 02:57 Nakajin wrote:
Woah Solar for the win!
Basilisk undefeated campaign from the bottom of the qualifier come to a close at the very last step, GG Onsyde!
19-1
Still one game better than the '07 Patriots
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I think having Maru taking out Reynor was huge, putting Serral to play Maru first in long macro game, and he was playing the full series against Abydos, does somehow affect his performance in the match against Solar.
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France12886 Posts
Nice, Onsyde won!
I am kinda disappointed Maru lost to Serral but the match-up is difficult for terran so not surprising. Solar as usual carrying hard with the victories in ZvZ!
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Outside of his GSL Final against Dark, Maru hasnt played a single turtling-Terran game in recent memory. I am not sure what cause him to change his style again, but I dont think Terran getting aggressive on the big map is a very good idea. Clem is the most extreme of this, I dont think he can beat Solar/Reynor/Serral being aggressive, but we still see Cure and Maru doing the same thing, and they dont have Clem micro.
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On August 14 2023 03:33 tigera6 wrote:
Outside of his GSL Final against Dark, Maru hasnt played a single turtling-Terran game in recent memory. I am not sure what cause him to change his style again, but I dont think Terran getting aggressive on the big map is a very good idea. Clem is the most extreme of this, I dont think he can beat Solar/Reynor/Serral being aggressive, but we still see Cure and Maru doing the same thing, and they dont have Clem micro.
Interestingly enough Cure also did the turtling style vs Dark in GSL and won convincingly with it but didn't attempt it vs Serral/Reynor.
I have no idea why they prefer playing aggressive against them.
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On August 14 2023 04:12 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2023 03:33 tigera6 wrote:
Outside of his GSL Final against Dark, Maru hasnt played a single turtling-Terran game in recent memory. I am not sure what cause him to change his style again, but I dont think Terran getting aggressive on the big map is a very good idea. Clem is the most extreme of this, I dont think he can beat Solar/Reynor/Serral being aggressive, but we still see Cure and Maru doing the same thing, and they dont have Clem micro. Interestingly enough Cure also did the turtling style vs Dark in GSL and won convincingly with it but didn't attempt it vs Serral/Reynor. I have no idea why they prefer playing aggressive against them.
Probably because going defensive against Dark who is known for being hyper aggro with Roaches is a good idea.
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On August 14 2023 04:12 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2023 03:33 tigera6 wrote:
Outside of his GSL Final against Dark, Maru hasnt played a single turtling-Terran game in recent memory. I am not sure what cause him to change his style again, but I dont think Terran getting aggressive on the big map is a very good idea. Clem is the most extreme of this, I dont think he can beat Solar/Reynor/Serral being aggressive, but we still see Cure and Maru doing the same thing, and they dont have Clem micro. Interestingly enough Cure also did the turtling style vs Dark in GSL and won convincingly with it but didn't attempt it vs Serral/Reynor. I have no idea why they prefer playing aggressive against them.
Neither of them plays a dedicated turtle plan from the start that much these days, unless it's like NeoHumanity. If you sit back, Zerg will just get massive econ/production and overwhelm you in the mid-game.
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On August 14 2023 06:10 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2023 04:12 Charoisaur wrote:On August 14 2023 03:33 tigera6 wrote:
Outside of his GSL Final against Dark, Maru hasnt played a single turtling-Terran game in recent memory. I am not sure what cause him to change his style again, but I dont think Terran getting aggressive on the big map is a very good idea. Clem is the most extreme of this, I dont think he can beat Solar/Reynor/Serral being aggressive, but we still see Cure and Maru doing the same thing, and they dont have Clem micro. Interestingly enough Cure also did the turtling style vs Dark in GSL and won convincingly with it but didn't attempt it vs Serral/Reynor. I have no idea why they prefer playing aggressive against them. Neither of them plays a dedicated turtle plan from the start that much these days, unless it's like NeoHumanity. If you sit back, Zerg will just get massive econ/production and overwhelm you in the mid-game.
Yeah, I think all the best Zergs have figured out how to play against turtling Terran these days, and that is why we hardly see them these days. There must be a reason why it's been largely unused. If it works all the time, I guarantee that all the Terrans would keep doing that.
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I feel that in a couple games they can transition into late game turtle after getting to 4/5 bases before the Zerg get full map control. Like game 1 from Maru against Serral in WTL, I think he could transition into Tanks/Libs the moment he saw Hydra/Lurker is out, and start staying more on his bases more, while sending a small group of units to deny the outer base from Zerg. The weakness of turtling Terran is often that they have to spend lots of resource on buildings up-front and might not have enough to rebuild against non-stop bane crash on the 4th/5th base, but Maru was able to get map control early with Bio+Mines vs LingBane.
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Solar 5-0 Serral since G8, another nemesis?
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Apparently Abydos disbanded today, and some players already looking for new teams.
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On August 14 2023 21:21 tigera6 wrote:
Apparently Abydos disbanded today, and some players already looking for new teams.
you seem to be correct
 ABYDOS
I don't see an announcement or anything
Creator appears to be on NV now Creator
but Cure, DRG, and Nightmare seem to be teamless currently
edit: I made a new topic just for this https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/615258-abydos-disbanded
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