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Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3126 Posts
August 05 2023 16:43 GMT
#801
Byun is such an emotional player and he just looks mentally broken now
Dies Irae venit. youtube.com/SnobbinsFilms
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17688 Posts
August 05 2023 16:44 GMT
#802
On August 06 2023 01:43 Sent. wrote:
Byun did not wall his main in game 1 too, he keeps doing that.

Yeah they just showed it here in game 3, no wall for the main
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Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3484 Posts
August 05 2023 16:44 GMT
#803
Honestly, I think pressuring the 3rd with reapers is very underrated. Even if you don't kill the hatch, you can get it to below half pretty consistently to be killed later. Certainly beats idling your reapers and failing to kill a creep tumour.
Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2655 Posts
August 05 2023 16:44 GMT
#804
What is going on with Byun's natural wall and the orphaned techlab??
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16099 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-08-05 16:46:46
August 05 2023 16:45 GMT
#805
Stylistically Reynor is about the worst opponent that Byun could get. Byun plays a hyper aggressive early game style that is all based around bio control. Reynor plays a hyper aggressive Zergling style that capitalizes on catching units out of position.

It's a battle of APM and multitasking and Reynor is the faster player. Maybe Byun from 2016 could beat him but Byun from 2023 is going to have a very hard time of it.

It doesn't help that Reynor practices with Clem who plays the same way Byun does so it's the style he's most familiar at playing against.

Well why doesn't Byun just change it up against Reynor then? Because Byun doesn't change up his style. He never has. He only plays one way. This is always been his biggest weakness as a player and why I consider him the weakest of the top Korean Terrans.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12904 Posts
August 05 2023 16:49 GMT
#806
At least this game is competitive, let’s go ByuN give us a series!
WriterMaru
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3437 Posts
August 05 2023 16:49 GMT
#807
On August 06 2023 01:41 Captain Peabody wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2023 01:37 Azzur wrote:
Whilst I'm a terran fanboy and think that Maru is the best chance of a Terran win, I'll find it hilarious of this tournament shows that foreigner > korean

well I mean I do think the underlying reality that both Korean participation in overseas weekenders and foreigner participation in GSL has shown is that right now, due to the differing structures of the two scenes, foreigners are by and large just worse at preparation tournaments and Koreans are by and large just worse at weekenders. obviously Koreans still do very well at big tournaments, but it's definitely a handicap I think.

this is one of the things that makes it hard to make a direct comparison between the two groups of top players. online cups are probably the clearest level ground by which to compare objective skill, and that's limited due to the lower stakes.

I really dont buy that excuse. While there are certain preparation build here and there, but there are steps to get into a conservative and safe game, Cure is the perfect example as this. But players like Byun, Maru and herO, Dark just dont rely on safe approach, they always trying to be aggressive and reckless without any scouting information.
FCHK
Profile Joined August 2020
202 Posts
August 05 2023 16:56 GMT
#808
On August 06 2023 01:42 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2023 01:40 FCHK wrote:
On August 06 2023 01:37 Die4Ever wrote:
Why doesn't Byun put depots blocking his main ramp? Looking pretty bad here

He did, it was busted down

I only saw the wall at the natural not to the main, in game 1 he definitely didn't have one

You are right. I was thinking the natural wall

It's quite common to not wall the main while opening 2 barracks at natural though
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3126 Posts
August 05 2023 16:56 GMT
#809
On August 06 2023 01:45 Vindicare605 wrote:
Stylistically Reynor is about the worst opponent that Byun could get. Byun plays a hyper aggressive early game style that is all based around bio control. Reynor plays a hyper aggressive Zergling style that capitalizes on catching units out of position.

It's a battle of APM and multitasking and Reynor is the faster player. Maybe Byun from 2016 could beat him but Byun from 2023 is going to have a very hard time of it.

It doesn't help that Reynor practices with Clem who plays the same way Byun does so it's the style he's most familiar at playing against.

Well why doesn't Byun just change it up against Reynor then? Because Byun doesn't change up his style. He never has. He only plays one way. This is always been his biggest weakness as a player and why I consider him the weakest of the top Korean Terrans.

very good analysis. I do think Byun would have a chance if he was able to slow down and tighten up his defense even a little. After all, Clem beats Reynor with this style. but yeah, in general he just doesn't have Clem's speed any more.
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Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3126 Posts
August 05 2023 16:58 GMT
#810
look at the supplies, this is over. :/

Reynor has just looked so comfortable this whole series
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3437 Posts
August 05 2023 16:59 GMT
#811
Byun and Maru need to have a real talk about how they play these games, ask themselves do they want to win or do they just want to play for fun with their style. What they are doing in this round is not winning, its just to make themselves feel good before getting smashed.
NotSoHappy
Profile Joined November 2010
445 Posts
August 05 2023 17:00 GMT
#812
On August 06 2023 01:10 Argonauta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2023 01:07 tigera6 wrote:
On August 06 2023 01:01 NotSoHappy wrote:
On August 06 2023 00:58 Fango wrote:
On August 06 2023 00:57 Creager wrote:
On August 06 2023 00:55 Vindicare605 wrote:
It is so baffingly predictable at this point. Just fucking play the game straight up Maru. Stop donating series because you are so fucking desperate for some reason to get them over with early.

I have lost count of how many tournaments he's done this in.


I really start to wonder if he does this out of disrespect for his opponents or because for some unwarranted reason he's not confident in his lategame.

I don't think he has any real openings outside of when he preps for GSL. This is just how he plays.


That's why I think he just disrespects his opponents, because he would fix his builds for the weekenders. Especially for that amount of money.

To be fair, Clem read Maru like a book in that last game. NOBODY else in the world would put 3 Viking and 2 Raven into each corner of the map to intercept a potential Viking/Raven/Medivac flying by. But Maru need to play much more carefully, just send unit out around and scout, dont rush out if you dont know where Clem army is, or his 3rd CC timing. His opening has been like against CPU most of the time.



Its almost as if Clem took the time to prepare for Maru and Maru disrespected him


zing
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10093 Posts
August 05 2023 17:00 GMT
#813
On August 06 2023 01:45 Vindicare605 wrote:
Stylistically Reynor is about the worst opponent that Byun could get. Byun plays a hyper aggressive early game style that is all based around bio control. Reynor plays a hyper aggressive Zergling style that capitalizes on catching units out of position.

It's a battle of APM and multitasking and Reynor is the faster player. Maybe Byun from 2016 could beat him but Byun from 2023 is going to have a very hard time of it.

It doesn't help that Reynor practices with Clem who plays the same way Byun does so it's the style he's most familiar at playing against.

Well why doesn't Byun just change it up against Reynor then? Because Byun doesn't change up his style. He never has. He only plays one way. This is always been his biggest weakness as a player and why I consider him the weakest of the top Korean Terrans.

i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6260 Posts
August 05 2023 17:00 GMT
#814
Foreigners 2 - Koreans 0
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12904 Posts
August 05 2023 17:00 GMT
#815
Hopefully Solar and Classic manage to take more than one map combined!
WriterMaru
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
August 05 2023 17:00 GMT
#816
Yeah, you really need tanks in late game against Zerg or you're run over again and again. WM alone don't cut it.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6260 Posts
August 05 2023 17:01 GMT
#817
Can Serral make it 3/3 foreigners??
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3437 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-08-05 17:02:52
August 05 2023 17:01 GMT
#818
On August 06 2023 02:00 dysenterymd wrote:
Yeah, you really need tanks in late game against Zerg or you're run over again and again. WM alone don't cut it.

Tanks is better defensively, Mines is better offensively, but ideally you need BOTH. Thats why you need double factory producing non-stop, Byun cut his Factory production for more Bio.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16008 Posts
August 05 2023 17:02 GMT
#819
On August 06 2023 02:01 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2023 02:00 dysenterymd wrote:
Yeah, you really need tanks in late game against Zerg or you're run over again and again. WM alone don't cut it.

Tanks is better defensively, Mines is better offensively, but ideally you need BOTH.

Mines are better until Lurkers are out. Then mines are almost useless
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9246 Posts
August 05 2023 17:03 GMT
#820
Byun should not lose the third game
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