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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12907 Posts
August 05 2023 16:27 GMT
#781
This build looks super bad from ByuN: easy to scout, and even when not scouted the queens are usually enough to defend properly.
WriterMaru
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3454 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-08-05 16:29:37
August 05 2023 16:28 GMT
#782
On August 06 2023 01:24 Spirral wrote:
Hot take here: Maru lost because he was not as good as his opponent today

More like the true take, we just trying to dive into the why, like how he choke against Oliveira in IEM. And my conclusion has been that, the guy need some mental/strategy coach. Someone to punch some damn sense into him about playing safe.

On August 06 2023 01:27 Poopi wrote:
This build looks super bad from ByuN: easy to scout, and even when not scouted the queens are usually enough to defend properly.

You know why this is bad? Because this is so similar to what Clem often does in TvZ in EU tournaments and ladder, Reynor probably has thousands of game defending this already.
Sim999
Profile Joined July 2020
39 Posts
August 05 2023 16:30 GMT
#783
Yeah seems like a mental problem like he actually think were are in 2016 and starcraft outside of korea is irrelevant I dont know :d

User was warned for this post
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12907 Posts
August 05 2023 16:31 GMT
#784
On August 06 2023 01:28 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2023 01:24 Spirral wrote:
Hot take here: Maru lost because he was not as good as his opponent today

More like the true take, we just trying to dive into the why, like how he choke against Oliveira in IEM. And my conclusion has been that, the guy need some mental/strategy coach. Someone to punch some damn sense into him about playing safe.

Show nested quote +
On August 06 2023 01:27 Poopi wrote:
This build looks super bad from ByuN: easy to scout, and even when not scouted the queens are usually enough to defend properly.

You know why this is bad? Because this is so similar to what Clem often does in TvZ in EU tournaments and ladder, Reynor probably has thousands of game defending this already.

Clem started doing it after the KR terrans / ByuN though. It’s still inherently bad imo, but there is no decent build in TvZ so I guess you gotta chose something anyways even if it’s bad
WriterMaru
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
August 05 2023 16:32 GMT
#785
On August 06 2023 01:24 Spirral wrote:
Hot take here: Maru lost because he was not as good as his opponent today

No one is questioning his condition. It's the build order choices he makes and why he take so many risks
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3454 Posts
August 05 2023 16:32 GMT
#786
On August 06 2023 01:31 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2023 01:28 tigera6 wrote:
On August 06 2023 01:24 Spirral wrote:
Hot take here: Maru lost because he was not as good as his opponent today

More like the true take, we just trying to dive into the why, like how he choke against Oliveira in IEM. And my conclusion has been that, the guy need some mental/strategy coach. Someone to punch some damn sense into him about playing safe.

On August 06 2023 01:27 Poopi wrote:
This build looks super bad from ByuN: easy to scout, and even when not scouted the queens are usually enough to defend properly.

You know why this is bad? Because this is so similar to what Clem often does in TvZ in EU tournaments and ladder, Reynor probably has thousands of game defending this already.

Clem started doing it after the KR terrans / ByuN though. It’s still inherently bad imo, but there is no decent build in TvZ so I guess you gotta chose something anyways even if it’s bad

I mean the aggressive Medivac and Mines style instead of the more traditional tank push.
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6260 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-08-05 16:38:38
August 05 2023 16:37 GMT
#787
Whilst I'm a terran fanboy and think that Maru is the best chance of a Terran win, and would normally also want Byun to win, I'll find it hilarious if this tournament shows that foreigner > korean
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3127 Posts
August 05 2023 16:37 GMT
#788
damn the Artosis curse is so powerful
Dies Irae venit. youtube.com/SnobbinsFilms
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17725 Posts
August 05 2023 16:37 GMT
#789
Why doesn't Byun put depots blocking his main ramp? Looking pretty bad here
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12907 Posts
August 05 2023 16:38 GMT
#790
ByuN getting destroyed so far. Really shows how weak Dark has become in ZvT
WriterMaru
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10102 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-08-05 16:38:46
August 05 2023 16:38 GMT
#791
is ByuN too predictable? 2 rax lets go! we need some change
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3507 Posts
August 05 2023 16:40 GMT
#792
On August 06 2023 01:38 Poopi wrote:
ByuN getting destroyed so far. Really shows how weak Dark has become in ZvT

Two tips for Dark then, (1) stop building roaches dammit, (2) get an extra 100 apm
Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
FCHK
Profile Joined August 2020
202 Posts
August 05 2023 16:40 GMT
#793
On August 06 2023 01:37 Die4Ever wrote:
Why doesn't Byun put depots blocking his main ramp? Looking pretty bad here

He did, it was busted down
Sim999
Profile Joined July 2020
39 Posts
August 05 2023 16:40 GMT
#794
That build is "I hope you dont scout my banshee until it is in your base" otherwise I'm dead.
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3127 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-08-05 16:42:16
August 05 2023 16:41 GMT
#795
On August 06 2023 01:37 Azzur wrote:
Whilst I'm a terran fanboy and think that Maru is the best chance of a Terran win, I'll find it hilarious of this tournament shows that foreigner > korean

well I mean I do think the underlying reality that both Korean participation in overseas weekenders and foreigner participation in GSL has shown is that right now, due to the differing structures of the two scenes, foreigners are by and large just worse at preparation tournaments and Koreans are by and large just worse at weekenders. obviously Koreans still do very well at big tournaments, but it's definitely a handicap I think.

this is one of the things that makes it hard to make a direct comparison between the two groups of top players. online cups are probably the clearest level ground by which to compare objective skill, and that's limited due to the lower stakes.
Dies Irae venit. youtube.com/SnobbinsFilms
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12907 Posts
August 05 2023 16:41 GMT
#796
On August 06 2023 01:40 Gescom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2023 01:38 Poopi wrote:
ByuN getting destroyed so far. Really shows how weak Dark has become in ZvT

Two tips for Dark then, (1) stop building roaches dammit, (2) get an extra 100 apm

Just be 10 years younger Dark come on, it’s not that hard :D
WriterMaru
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17725 Posts
August 05 2023 16:42 GMT
#797
On August 06 2023 01:40 FCHK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2023 01:37 Die4Ever wrote:
Why doesn't Byun put depots blocking his main ramp? Looking pretty bad here

He did, it was busted down

I only saw the wall at the natural not to the main, in game 1 he definitely didn't have one
"Expert" mods4ever.com
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3454 Posts
August 05 2023 16:42 GMT
#798
On August 06 2023 01:38 Topin wrote:
is ByuN too predictable? 2 rax lets go! we need some change

The 2 racks opening is fine, but Byun skipped his macro early to focus on making more units trying to deal damage, and Reynor simply too good at defending all of it, leaving Byun way behind on his economy and has to push even harder, leaving him with lots of opening. In fact, the best way playing against Reynor is "camping" on the Terran side and slowly pushing out. But Byun doesnt want to do that, same way as Maru trying to send 2-3 Medivacs against the 10 Vikings from Clem.
Javah
Profile Joined August 2010
France739 Posts
August 05 2023 16:42 GMT
#799
That's better already. Fight ByuN! Against the curse!
⚀⚅
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9268 Posts
August 05 2023 16:43 GMT
#800
Byun did not wall his main in game 1 too, he keeps doing that.
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