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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16123 Posts
August 05 2023 17:03 GMT
#821
On August 06 2023 01:59 tigera6 wrote:
Byun and Maru need to have a real talk about how they play these games, ask themselves do they want to win or do they just want to play for fun with their style. What they are doing in this round is not winning, its just to make themselves feel good before getting smashed.


Byun's issue is that he's only ever played the game one way and he just can't do it anymore. He's getting older and slower. It happens to every great athlete. He COULD change up the way he plays but after 10 years of playing the same way that's an incredibly challenging thing to ask someone to do, especially since against 99% of the players in Starcraft 2 Byun can still win reliably against playing the way he does.

Maru's block with weekenders is a lot harder to explain. It's all in his head, in his choices that he makes going into series. I don't know what is influencing why he does the things he does in these tournaments to donate series away when he should win. I think it's only getting worse the more often he does it, like he psychs himself out of actually finishing tournaments that he's done all of the work to win he just has to close it out. He doesn't have these mental blocks at GSL, but for some reason whenever he travels somewhere else there they are.

I don't know what he has to do to figure that out, but at least from where I'm sitting, it doesn't seem like the same kind of situation that Byun's in.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12964 Posts
August 05 2023 17:04 GMT
#822
Having to play TvZ with ping is always gonna be a hassle anyways, poor ByuN.
I really hope that Classic will beat Cure but Cure is just incredibly good at TvP since forever, it’s gonna be difficult
WriterMaru
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3501 Posts
August 05 2023 17:05 GMT
#823
On August 06 2023 02:03 Sent. wrote:
Byun should not lose the third game

Maru should have not lost to Clem, but here we are. Couple with how herO and Dark playing, those KR players are pissing me off. Its one thing losing because you did everything great and your opponent was just better, its entirely another thing that you do something making no sense.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27048 Posts
August 05 2023 17:09 GMT
#824
Byun’s strength also happens to be his weakness, a more measured Byun you probably mitigate the weaknesses and the strengths.

It’s like Gumiho trying to play resolutely standard instead of doing his madcap thing.

Byun’s style pretty reliably works against basically every Zerg, Reynor and Serral these days are just too fast mechanically
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3501 Posts
August 05 2023 17:11 GMT
#825
On August 06 2023 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2023 01:59 tigera6 wrote:
Byun and Maru need to have a real talk about how they play these games, ask themselves do they want to win or do they just want to play for fun with their style. What they are doing in this round is not winning, its just to make themselves feel good before getting smashed.


Byun's issue is that he's only ever played the game one way and he just can't do it anymore. He's getting older and slower. It happens to every great athlete. He COULD change up the way he plays but after 10 years of playing the same way that's an incredibly challenging thing to ask someone to do, especially since against 99% of the players in Starcraft 2 Byun can still win reliably against playing the way he does.

Maru's block with weekenders is a lot harder to explain. It's all in his head, in his choices that he makes going into series. I don't know what is influencing why he does the things he does in these tournaments to donate series away when he should win. I think it's only getting worse the more often he does it, like he psychs himself out of actually finishing tournaments that he's done all of the work to win he just has to close it out. He doesn't have these mental blocks at GSL, but for some reason whenever he travels somewhere else there they are.

I don't know what he has to do to figure that out, but at least from where I'm sitting, it doesn't seem like the same kind of situation that Byun's in.

Byun has showed that he can change into a more turtling style before, a couple times against Solar and Dark, but thats still like 10% of his games. The same way with Maru, his current opening in TvT is so repeatedly that his opponent doesnt even need to scout and simply blind counter it. I wouldnt mind if he had mix in his Banshee Mech opening, or trying to for 2-1-1 approach to get something done, but he 99% of the time throw down his 3rd CC and double Ebay without even scouting his opponent 3rd CC timing. And then he randomly sending 2 Medivac or 2 Ravens out to try doing some damage without a single Helion/reaper to scout a head for trap. They both have the same problem, but Byun problem has been around longer imo, Maru having that problem right before IEM and still last till now.
tommey.liang
Profile Joined November 2020
United States363 Posts
August 05 2023 17:16 GMT
#826
That was quite a lopsided matchup with Reynor blanking ByuN, 3-0.
FF, KH, Persona, Uncharted, Yakuza | Porter, Illenium, MitiS, Dabin, Seven Lions, Petit Biscuit | Diablo II, SC2 | Pho, sushi, tacos
Rob-Zero
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany460 Posts
August 05 2023 17:17 GMT
#827
Wow, the arrogance of the community strikes again. XD so many psychologists here that exactly know where the issues of the players are, of course only of the losing players they got disappointed by. Maybe some of the folks here should calm down a bit and realize that we are all humans, the players, too. And humans have good days and bad days, make good decisions and bad decisions.
So disrespectful to the winners
Dark Age of Camelot - I miss you
Gina
Profile Joined July 2019
241 Posts
August 05 2023 17:19 GMT
#828
Onsyde and Basilisk with the same colour scheme, didn't jump out as much before. Of course it's an easy one.
Omit needles swords.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3501 Posts
August 05 2023 17:23 GMT
#829
On August 06 2023 02:17 Rob-Zero wrote:
Wow, the arrogance of the community strikes again. XD so many psychologists here that exactly know where the issues of the players are, of course only of the losing players they got disappointed by. Maybe some of the folks here should calm down a bit and realize that we are all humans, the players, too. And humans have good days and bad days, make good decisions and bad decisions.
So disrespectful to the winners

Both things can be true, like how Oliveira deserve to be world champ, and Maru choked like F in the Final. I never say Clem did not deserve to win, in fact I hope that he will get great success and win this tournament. That doesnt mean we skip over what happened, especially its becoming a repeatable thing. I dont know whats inside Maru head when he did those move, but we already saw what happened BECAUSE of what he did, and not just once or twice but many times already. So what are you supposed us to do with that? Just accept that players choke on a regular basis and move on?
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13324 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-08-05 17:26:49
August 05 2023 17:26 GMT
#830
On August 06 2023 02:23 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2023 02:17 Rob-Zero wrote:
Wow, the arrogance of the community strikes again. XD so many psychologists here that exactly know where the issues of the players are, of course only of the losing players they got disappointed by. Maybe some of the folks here should calm down a bit and realize that we are all humans, the players, too. And humans have good days and bad days, make good decisions and bad decisions.
So disrespectful to the winners

Both things can be true, like how Oliveira deserve to be world champ, and Maru choked like F in the Final. I never say Clem did not deserve to win, in fact I hope that he will get great success and win this tournament. That doesnt mean we skip over what happened, especially its becoming a repeatable thing. I dont know whats inside Maru head when he did those move, but we already saw what happened BECAUSE of what he did, and not just once or twice but many times already. So what are you supposed us to do with that? Just accept that players choke on a regular basis and move on?

Indeed. As I like to say, every great comeback had its throw on the other side.
It's very much the same here, great performance by Clem but you can't honestly say that Maru played at his best.
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
youaremysin
Profile Joined August 2015
119 Posts
August 05 2023 17:28 GMT
#831
On August 06 2023 02:17 Rob-Zero wrote:
Wow, the arrogance of the community strikes again. XD so many psychologists here that exactly know where the issues of the players are, of course only of the losing players they got disappointed by. Maybe some of the folks here should calm down a bit and realize that we are all humans, the players, too. And humans have good days and bad days, make good decisions and bad decisions.
So disrespectful to the winners


You don't understand, these players don't care enough to change their predictible playstyle that everyone knows about but them. No way they play this style because this is what they are the most successful with. If only they practiced hundreds of games they could realise it's not how they are supposed to do it!
But no they don't care enough, it's only 150K to win, they are playing for fun.
FCHK
Profile Joined August 2020
203 Posts
August 05 2023 17:36 GMT
#832
+2 good upgrade
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16123 Posts
August 05 2023 17:37 GMT
#833
I know Serral lost that game, but I love what he did putting that extra hatch up front. It was a nice little move that was causing that defense to be more cost effective than it probably should have been.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27048 Posts
August 05 2023 17:39 GMT
#834
Based on that game I’m not sure Solar can break Serral without getting a leg up in the early game

'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2656 Posts
August 05 2023 17:39 GMT
#835
Serral is super hard to kill.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3501 Posts
August 05 2023 17:40 GMT
#836
On August 06 2023 02:28 youaremysin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2023 02:17 Rob-Zero wrote:
Wow, the arrogance of the community strikes again. XD so many psychologists here that exactly know where the issues of the players are, of course only of the losing players they got disappointed by. Maybe some of the folks here should calm down a bit and realize that we are all humans, the players, too. And humans have good days and bad days, make good decisions and bad decisions.
So disrespectful to the winners


You don't understand, these players don't care enough to change their predictible playstyle that everyone knows about but them. No way they play this style because this is what they are the most successful with. If only they practiced hundreds of games they could realise it's not how they are supposed to do it!
But no they don't care enough, it's only 150K to win, they are playing for fun.

Except they dont, at least not in the current meta and situation. Thats like saying Byun won a world title with 3 rack reaper micro so he should do that for the rest of his career. For a strategy game like SC2, build order and adjustment MATTERS. And like I said, I dont know if they care about winning this tournament enough, I do know they dont have the right preparation for it.
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2656 Posts
August 05 2023 17:43 GMT
#837
On August 06 2023 02:39 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Serral is super hard to kill.

Or not? What the hell
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10120 Posts
August 05 2023 17:43 GMT
#838
wat?!
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3513 Posts
August 05 2023 17:43 GMT
#839
Ruh roh
Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
NotSoHappy
Profile Joined November 2010
445 Posts
August 05 2023 17:43 GMT
#840
serral wtf
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