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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4955 Posts
August 05 2023 16:02 GMT
#741
Can Maru still pass to the next round by beating spirit?
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3126 Posts
August 05 2023 16:02 GMT
#742
On August 06 2023 00:57 Creager wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2023 00:55 Vindicare605 wrote:
It is so baffingly predictable at this point. Just fucking play the game straight up Maru. Stop donating series because you are so fucking desperate for some reason to get them over with early.

I have lost count of how many tournaments he's done this in.


I really start to wonder if he does this out of disrespect for his opponents or because for some unwarranted reason he's not confident in his lategame.

I imagine it's because he feels less comfortable in general in offline overseas tournaments and esp playing versus opponents he doesn't know as well (all the Koreans at this point he knows very well and has beaten), so he goes back and forth between feeling underconfident and feeling *too* confident
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Rob-Zero
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany460 Posts
August 05 2023 16:03 GMT
#743
EU just better. GSL is overrated and everyone can clearly see that.
Maru really gave it his all, but it is just not enough, same as in most of his series against Serral/Reynor
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Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7139 Posts
August 05 2023 16:03 GMT
#744
I don't wanna start the GOAT debacle, but if Serral wins this event too...
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
TaKeTV
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany1199 Posts
August 05 2023 16:03 GMT
#745
On August 06 2023 01:03 Rob-Zero wrote:
EU just better. GSL is overrated and everyone can clearly see that.
Maru really gave it his all, but it is just not enough, same as in most of his series against Serral/Reynor


Satire post
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dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
August 05 2023 16:04 GMT
#746
On August 06 2023 01:03 Luolis wrote:
I don't wanna start the GOAT debacle, but if Serral wins this event too...

I'm a Serral fan but how dare you bring up farm animals.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1920 Posts
August 05 2023 16:04 GMT
#747
On August 06 2023 01:00 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2023 00:57 tigera6 wrote:
Clem 100% deserves that win, and Maru need to stop Fucking around with his opening gameplay. The guy is known for his defensive game mastery, yet he want to be over-aggressive and sending shit over to die little by little.


It is almost an exact fucking mirror of how he lost to Oliveira. I don't understand it. If he's this good at the game how does he not see the pattern in how he loses to shit like this. If a scrub like me can notice the pattern how could he not?

I don't know what is going on behind the scenes that keeps motivating him to try and rush through series like this. Is it nerves? Can he not sleep in foreign hotels very well so on weekend tournaments he's always exhausted on day 3? Does he spend his Saturdays getting hammered at bars so he always plays Sundays hungover?

What the fuck is going on that he so consistently does this in every foreign tournament then goes home and beats superior players in GSL in dominating fashion? I don't get it.


Exactly my thoughts, especially after the WCS loss he should have really bounced back by analyzing if his style is too risky and figured out, combined with the obvious improved levels of skill from his opponents. Maybe he just doesn't really care anymore?
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26032 Posts
August 05 2023 16:04 GMT
#748
On August 06 2023 01:03 Luolis wrote:
I don't wanna start the GOAT debacle, but if Serral wins this event too...

Plz no
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12904 Posts
August 05 2023 16:04 GMT
#749
On August 06 2023 01:00 geokilla wrote:
Doesn't Maru play against Terran very well in the GSL? I wonder if it's due to a clash of styles.

He looked shaky in the GSL as well, barely beating Cure etc, dropping series versus HeroMarine, Oliveira, GuMiho… the raven patch destroyed his TvT!
Unfortunate to qualify with 6-0 and lose to Clem who barely managed to qualify
At least Clem has a decent TvZ and has a shot to take down Reynor, if ByuN doesn’t do it

Classic can beat Serral but Cure has a monstrous TvP and got obliterated by Serral, so Classic better plays well
WriterMaru
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4955 Posts
August 05 2023 16:05 GMT
#750
This is the exact same way he lost to gumiho in GSL tbf.... I am baffled he still does this openings
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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TaKeTV
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany1199 Posts
August 05 2023 16:05 GMT
#751
On August 06 2023 01:04 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2023 01:00 geokilla wrote:
Doesn't Maru play against Terran very well in the GSL? I wonder if it's due to a clash of styles.

He looked shaky in the GSL as well, barely beating Cure etc, dropping series versus HeroMarine, Oliveira, GuMiho… the raven patch destroyed his TvT!
Unfortunate to qualify with 6-0 and lose to Clem who barely managed to qualify
At least Clem has a decent TvZ and has a shot to take down Reynor, if ByuN doesn’t do it

Classic can beat Serral but Cure has a monstrous TvP and got obliterated by Serral, so Classic better plays well


i dont want to remember classic cure from s1 8[
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swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
August 05 2023 16:05 GMT
#752
Why not trying speed banshees or surprise Clem with mech build, Maru? His strategies looked puzzling to me. Maybe GSL has kicked a real sense to him but for any prestigious offline foreign tournament (except WESG), this didn't happen to him.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
August 05 2023 16:06 GMT
#753
On August 06 2023 01:00 geokilla wrote:
Doesn't Maru play against Terran very well in the GSL? I wonder if it's due to a clash of styles.

No he also does stupid builds there, he's just good enough to make it work enough of the time. His TvT style this year has just been get behind and then win anyway
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1927 Posts
August 05 2023 16:07 GMT
#754
I think Maru just needs more time to prepare to play his best. It is a "you know that I know that you know" scenario, and it seemed like Clem had just done his homework a lot better on Maru than visa versa, and Maru got smoked.

If they met with one week to prepare for that match only, Maru would probably have outsmarted Clem more.

Maru does not seem that confident nor comfortable in foreign weekenders either, they are different beasts!
Buff the siegetank
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3436 Posts
August 05 2023 16:07 GMT
#755
On August 06 2023 01:01 NotSoHappy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2023 00:58 Fango wrote:
On August 06 2023 00:57 Creager wrote:
On August 06 2023 00:55 Vindicare605 wrote:
It is so baffingly predictable at this point. Just fucking play the game straight up Maru. Stop donating series because you are so fucking desperate for some reason to get them over with early.

I have lost count of how many tournaments he's done this in.


I really start to wonder if he does this out of disrespect for his opponents or because for some unwarranted reason he's not confident in his lategame.

I don't think he has any real openings outside of when he preps for GSL. This is just how he plays.


That's why I think he just disrespects his opponents, because he would fix his builds for the weekenders. Especially for that amount of money.

To be fair, Clem read Maru like a book in that last game. NOBODY else in the world would put 3 Viking and 2 Raven into each corner of the map to intercept a potential Viking/Raven/Medivac flying by. But Maru need to play much more carefully, just send unit out around and scout, dont rush out if you dont know where Clem army is, or his 3rd CC timing. His opening has been like against CPU most of the time.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
August 05 2023 16:08 GMT
#756
Reynor vs Clem and Serral vs Classic lets go
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
August 05 2023 16:08 GMT
#757
Maru is great but clem winning the tournament is dream timeline. Or classic.
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-08-05 16:09:21
August 05 2023 16:09 GMT
#758
On August 06 2023 01:07 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2023 01:01 NotSoHappy wrote:
On August 06 2023 00:58 Fango wrote:
On August 06 2023 00:57 Creager wrote:
On August 06 2023 00:55 Vindicare605 wrote:
It is so baffingly predictable at this point. Just fucking play the game straight up Maru. Stop donating series because you are so fucking desperate for some reason to get them over with early.

I have lost count of how many tournaments he's done this in.


I really start to wonder if he does this out of disrespect for his opponents or because for some unwarranted reason he's not confident in his lategame.

I don't think he has any real openings outside of when he preps for GSL. This is just how he plays.


That's why I think he just disrespects his opponents, because he would fix his builds for the weekenders. Especially for that amount of money.

NOBODY else in the world would put 3 Viking and 2 Raven into each corner of the map to intercept a potential Viking/Raven/Medivac flying by.

Indeed, nobody would, and I would wager Clem was trying to do the exact same thing Maru was except with vikings. Perhaps he would have thrown his air units for a combat shields again had Maru not sent his ravens there
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Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10093 Posts
August 05 2023 16:09 GMT
#759
On August 06 2023 01:08 HolydaKing wrote:
Reynor vs Clem and Serral vs Classic lets go

Cures TvP is pretty sick... i have my coins on Cure
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4955 Posts
August 05 2023 16:10 GMT
#760
On August 06 2023 01:07 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2023 01:01 NotSoHappy wrote:
On August 06 2023 00:58 Fango wrote:
On August 06 2023 00:57 Creager wrote:
On August 06 2023 00:55 Vindicare605 wrote:
It is so baffingly predictable at this point. Just fucking play the game straight up Maru. Stop donating series because you are so fucking desperate for some reason to get them over with early.

I have lost count of how many tournaments he's done this in.


I really start to wonder if he does this out of disrespect for his opponents or because for some unwarranted reason he's not confident in his lategame.

I don't think he has any real openings outside of when he preps for GSL. This is just how he plays.


That's why I think he just disrespects his opponents, because he would fix his builds for the weekenders. Especially for that amount of money.

To be fair, Clem read Maru like a book in that last game. NOBODY else in the world would put 3 Viking and 2 Raven into each corner of the map to intercept a potential Viking/Raven/Medivac flying by. But Maru need to play much more carefully, just send unit out around and scout, dont rush out if you dont know where Clem army is, or his 3rd CC timing. His opening has been like against CPU most of the time.



Its almost as if Clem took the time to prepare for Maru and Maru disrespected him
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