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[IEM] Katowice 2023 - RO24 Group Stage - Day 2 - Page 22

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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3454 Posts
February 10 2023 20:01 GMT
#421
So if DRG, Solar and herO all win, that mean Serral life in the tournament would depend on how much herO and Solar want to throw their games tomorrow against Special and DRG.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16117 Posts
February 10 2023 20:01 GMT
#422
On February 11 2023 04:59 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2023 04:57 Vindicare605 wrote:
On February 11 2023 04:54 Seacow wrote:
I remember when ZG interviewed players before kato, and Lambo was talking about zvz in new patch. He said something like "noone in EU practices zvz, if I ask joona for practice he just laughs at me"

then serral goes 0-2 vs zergs in IEM hehehehe


Well if this tournament is anything to go off of, the Europeans have gotten bodied in pretty much all of the mirrors with the notable exception of HeroMarine vs Maru which is going to stand probably as one of the more surprising upsets of the week. Not surprising really since it's Maru, he's due to drop a series he shouldn't once per tournament.


"All the mirrors" is putting a lot on the shoulders of Showtime, I feel .


Clem too. I also counted Astrea in there too but I probably shouldn't.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33518 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-10 20:05:13
February 10 2023 20:02 GMT
#423
Serral has dropped his fair share of ZvZ in the past so it's not THAT surprising (but still surprising, obviously).

Like he went 0-2 1-2 vs DRG in DH Last Chance to get eliminated in the groups, he's dropped BO5 to Elazer in TSL, BO5 to Lambo in DH EU, etc.

He's definitely top-tier in the match-up, but there hasn't been unbeatable ZvZ toptier since like Nestea. TvT-Maru is probably the only transcendent mirror player in the modern era.
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royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
February 10 2023 20:05 GMT
#424
Just noticing Major and Byun have the same dye job.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
February 10 2023 20:07 GMT
#425
Special's playing an amazing tournament so far, first time in a while he's impressed me. Him making the ro12 would be a good story, but beating Solar or herO will be tough.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16117 Posts
February 10 2023 20:08 GMT
#426
What's going through my mind right now is, what if Serral is knocked out, what does Reynor think? he keeps saying how he's gunning for Serral in every big tournament but what if he doesn't even make it out of the group stages?

It's possible that might deflate Reynor's energy, that's something that can happen with competitors when their rival gets knocked out.

Something to consider, but I just find it hard to believe that we'll have a defending champ, Serral no less not playing in the playoffs tomorrow.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16117 Posts
February 10 2023 20:10 GMT
#427
On February 11 2023 05:07 dysenterymd wrote:
Special's playing an amazing tournament so far, first time in a while he's impressed me. Him making the ro12 would be a good story, but beating Solar or herO will be tough.


A tournament with only 2 Protoss remaining is good for him. That's his weak match up. If he can dodge Dark, herO, Maru and Reynor in the playoffs he might be able to go even further.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16024 Posts
February 10 2023 20:11 GMT
#428
On February 11 2023 05:02 Waxangel wrote:
Serral has dropped his fair share of ZvZ in the past so it's not THAT surprising (but still surprising, obviously).

Like he went 0-2 1-2 vs DRG in DH Last Chance to get eliminated in the groups, he's dropped BO5 to Elazer in TSL, BO5 to Lambo in DH EU, etc.

He's definitely top-tier in the match-up, but there hasn't been unbeatable ZvZ toptier since like Nestea. TvT-Maru is probably the only transcendent mirror player in the modern era.

soO was kinda unbeatable in HotS ZvZ
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16117 Posts
February 10 2023 20:11 GMT
#429
WTF was that DRG?!
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3454 Posts
February 10 2023 20:16 GMT
#430
Imagine DRG beating Serral only to lose to the other 4 players in the group.
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
February 10 2023 20:16 GMT
#431
Mech fucking sucks. How did heromarine manage it?
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18193 Posts
February 10 2023 20:18 GMT
#432
Why did Special move out? He was defending so well, he had the Raven to keep tabs and knew Solar was still on super low econ. Yet he moved out with a small force and got wrecked.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16117 Posts
February 10 2023 20:18 GMT
#433
Should've known that a group of all ZvZ's would make no sense.
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JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4415 Posts
February 10 2023 20:20 GMT
#434
On February 11 2023 04:59 Seacow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2023 04:57 Vindicare605 wrote:
On February 11 2023 04:54 Seacow wrote:
I remember when ZG interviewed players before kato, and Lambo was talking about zvz in new patch. He said something like "noone in EU practices zvz, if I ask joona for practice he just laughs at me"

then serral goes 0-2 vs zergs in IEM hehehehe


Well if this tournament is anything to go off of, the Europeans have gotten bodied in pretty much all of the mirrors with the notable exception of HeroMarine vs Maru which is going to stand probably as one of the more surprising upsets of the week. Not surprising really since it's Maru, he's due to drop a series he shouldn't once per tournament.


Yeah but I'm stuck in 2018-2019 mindset where ZvZ = autowin for Serral :>


Only 2018. In 2019, Serral was eliminated by soO in IEM and Reynor in a ton of other stuff including Blizzcon.
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
February 10 2023 20:21 GMT
#435
This is one of the few times I've seen solar not die to the bunker rush.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
February 10 2023 20:21 GMT
#436
On February 11 2023 05:16 tigera6 wrote:
Imagine DRG beating Serral only to lose to the other 4 players in the group.

Imagine further that said win over Serral being a 2-0 leads to Serral dying in the group stage.
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Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
February 10 2023 20:22 GMT
#437
the classic 3 rax into 3 cc
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
February 10 2023 20:27 GMT
#438
On February 11 2023 05:22 Tsubbi wrote:
the classic 3 rax into 3 cc

like the saying goes, when you're ahead, get more ahead!
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tlnetuser108
Profile Joined October 2022
83 Posts
February 10 2023 20:30 GMT
#439
Just saw the results on Liquipedia. How do all these low EPT ranking Zergs keep beating Serral? Makes no sense
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18193 Posts
February 10 2023 20:31 GMT
#440
Tasteless couldn't stop talking about how Solar was back in the game right up until Solar gg'd...
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