EPTIf ShoWTimE doesn’t win any map it’s probably complicated as well…
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
If ShoWTimE doesn’t win any map it’s probably complicated as well… | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
 I guess TIME, Ryung and ShoWTime all have realistic chances but it's very hard to predict | ||
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Pandain
United States12985 Posts
If Ryung wins ONE game and Time doesn't win 2-0 AND Showtime doesn't win - Ryung is in. If Showtime wins and Ryung doesn't - Showtime is in (this is only way showtime is in I think) Time ONLY might be in if neither showtime or Ryung win (which is not unlikely). But (1) if Time wins 2-1, he's only in if Ryung lost 0-2. (2) If Time wins 2-0, he's in (again, as long as both showtime/Ryung lost). This is my really bad math but hopefully a good start. In short, honestly, I think Time has a good chance at advancing?????? Showtime/Ryung are massive underdogs and Time is favored versus Special (probably?) | ||
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JJH777
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
On February 25 2022 05:50 Pandain wrote: If Ryung wins versus Dark - Ryung in. If Ryung wins ONE game and Time doesn't win 2-0 AND Showtime doesn't win - Ryung is in. If Showtime wins and Ryung doesn't - Showtime is in (this is only way showtime is in I think) Time ONLY might be in if neither showtime or Ryung win (which is not unlikely). But (1) if Time wins 2-1, he's only in if Ryung lost 0-2. (2) If Time wins 2-0, he's in (again, as long as both showtime/Ryung lost). This is my really bad math but hopefully a good start. In short, honestly, I think Time has a good chance at advancing?????? Yeah I think Dark and Serral might 2-0, TIME « just » has to 2-0 as well and he is in. But it upsets happen with map wins, it can get relatively complicated. Ryung winning one map should qualify him | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
Then it gets weird because TIME has the tiebreaker over Showtime, Showtime has the tiebreaker over Ryung and Ryung has the tiebreaker over TIME. So Showtime has the most difficult way through because he absolutely NEEDS to take a map off of Serral and he needs Ryung and TIME to both lose 2-0. TIME is playing Special and Ryung is playing Dark. I'd favor TIME over Special and Ryung is good enough to take one map off of Dark over Showtime taking a map or winning a series against Serral. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
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Pandain
United States12985 Posts
On February 25 2022 05:53 Vindicare605 wrote: Ryung is up by 2 maps. So TIME or Showtime would have to either win their matches or lose 2-1 and Ryung to lose 2-0 to force a 3 way tiebreaker. Then it gets weird because TIME has the tiebreaker over Showtime, Showtime has the tiebreaker over Ryung and Ryung has the tiebreaker over TIME. So Showtime has the most difficult way through because he absolutely NEEDS to take a map off of Serral and he needs Ryung and TIME to both lose 2-0. TIME is playing Special and Ryung is playing Dark. I'd favor TIME over Special and Ryung is good enough to take one map off of Dark over Showtime taking a map or winning a series against Serral. I think there's actually a 5% chance Ryung even takes a game. Ryung is great at positioning and big picture thinking - and TvZ is just too mechanical. | ||
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Pandain
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[PkF] Wire
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On February 25 2022 05:56 Pandain wrote: What a GROUP by the way - we said it would be a bloodbath for third place and holy crap did it deliver so far this IEM has been a blast | ||
Waxangel
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[PkF] Wire
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
On February 25 2022 05:55 Pandain wrote: I think there's actually a 5% chance Ryung even takes a game. Ryung is great at positioning and big picture thinking - and TvZ is just too mechanical. Thing is Ryung doesn't need to take a map off of Dark to advance. If Ryung loses 2-0 and TIME wins 2-1 they are now tied and Ryung has the tiebreaker. This only gets weird if Showtime also takes a game off of Serral which I think is even less likely than Ryung taking a map off of Dark. So TIME needs to win 2-0 in order to advance. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
So I got this wrong. If Ryung loses 2-0 and TIME wins at all he wins by exactly one map win. If Ryung loses 0-2 and TIME loses 1-2 Ryung wins via Tiebreaker. If Ryung loses 1-2 and TIME wins 2-1 Ryung advances via Tiebreaker. Showtime needs to beat Serral to advance. It's as simple as that. and he still doesn't qualify if TIME 2-0's Special. So the only way Showtime advances is if he beats Serral and both Ryung loses 0-2 and TIME loses to Special. | ||
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Lokol18
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On February 25 2022 05:59 [PkF] Wire wrote: OK I think we all agree the most realistic issue for Serral - ShoWTime and Dark - Ryung is 2-0. If that happens, who would qualify in every TIME Special scenario ? I'm probably wrong but in that case Ryung qualifies if TIME loses or if TIME wins 2-1. If TIME 2-0s special, then TIME is in. In your scenario showtime never gets in EDIT: nvm I was wrong, look at the comment right above mine. If TIME wins at all he's through | ||
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Pandain
United States12985 Posts
On February 25 2022 06:02 Vindicare605 wrote: Hang on. Current map score is 5-5 Ryung and 4-6 TIME. So if Ryung goes 0-2 that puts him at 5-7 and TIME is at 6-7 if he beats Special. So I got this wrong. If Ryung loses 2-0 and TIME wins at all he wins by exactly one map win. If Ryung loses 0-2 and TIME loses 1-2 Ryung wins via Tiebreaker. Showtime needs to beat Serral to advance. It's as simple as that. and he still doesn't qualify if TIME 2-0's Special. So the only way Showtime advances is if he beats Serral and both Ryung loses 0-2 and TIME loses to Special. Great, we are on the same page then. That's what I wrote above but wasn't sure if I was right | ||
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Pandain
United States12985 Posts
On February 25 2022 05:59 [PkF] Wire wrote: OK I think we all agree the most realistic issue for Serral - ShoWTime and Dark - Ryung is 2-0. If that happens, who would qualify in every TIME Special scenario ? If Showtime/Ryung lose 0-2, Time is through as long as he wins the series. If all of Showtime/Ryung/Time lose, then Ryung is through with a majestic 2-3 score. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
On February 25 2022 06:05 Lokol18 wrote: I'm probably wrong but in that case Ryung qualifies if TIME loses or if TIME wins 2-1. If TIME 2-0s special, then TIME is in. In your scenario showtime never gets in EDIT: nvm I was wrong, look at the comment right above mine. If TIME wins at all he's through No if Ryung takes a map off of Dark and TIME loses a map to Special. Ryung advances via tiebreaker. TIME needs to 2-0 Special or Ryung to lose 0-2 to advance. | ||
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Pandain
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