EPT[DHM 2021] Summer: Season Finals - Playoffs - Page 7
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France24206 Posts
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RKC
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On July 04 2021 05:07 tigera6 wrote: This series would have been much closer had Dream did more typical pressure build than getting cheese build. This series may have been much closer if it wasn't played at 4-5am in Korea. | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
On July 04 2021 05:17 RKC wrote: This series may have been much closer if it wasn't played at 4-5am in Korea. I think that the dream vs reynor series came down to build/playstyle choices rather than the timeslot. It was nice to see Dream at least be able to bring things to late game though after getting behind. That's one thing Dream has shown that he is good at, playing from behind. | ||
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tennisl
United Kingdom44 Posts
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QOGQOG
834 Posts
On July 04 2021 05:24 tennisl wrote: Come on Maru! It's now or never. There's a decent chance he'll face Rogue in the finals, so that's sounding like a never. Getting to the finals should be pretty well guaranteed though, so that's something. | ||
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JJH777
United States4408 Posts
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parksonsc
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On July 04 2021 08:54 QOGQOG wrote: There's a decent chance he'll face Rogue in the finals, so that's sounding like a never. Getting to the finals should be pretty well guaranteed though, so that's something. Come on, Rogue is not completely a tier above Maru as you sound like, they are evenly matched and a Bo7 between them could go either way. Last GSL finals were just Maru's straight up BO losses and wrong decision making. | ||
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tigera6
3401 Posts
On July 04 2021 11:49 JJH777 wrote: It's weird that Maru hasn't won something yet this year. First year since 2017 where he hasn't won something in the first 6 months. This is his 5th time in a top 4. Hopefully this is the tournament that changes that. Well, Serral hasnt won anything in 2021 neither, and his overall run has been even less impressive than Maru (no top 4 in any tournament so far other than SAHSC which is not an ESL tournament), but that doesnt stop EU fanboy keep calling him the GOAT. So I guess there is nothing wrong with Maru hasnt won a tournament so far, but winning one would certainly be great for him. Also, like I stated before, Maru gotta play in the GSL tomorrow, so I am not sure how much he is willing to stay till 5-6am to finish the Finals. It wont be shocking if we see proxy racks after 2-base all-in push gamble. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On July 04 2021 13:31 tigera6 wrote: Well, Serral hasnt won anything in 2021 neither, and his overall run has been even less impressive than Maru (no top 4 in any tournament so far other than SAHSC which is not an ESL tournament), but that doesnt stop EU fanboy keep calling him the GOAT. So I guess there is nothing wrong with Maru hasnt won a tournament so far, but winning one would certainly be great for him. Also, like I stated before, Maru gotta play in the GSL tomorrow, so I am not sure how much he is willing to stay till 5-6am to finish the Finals. It wont be shocking if we see proxy racks after 2-base all-in push gamble. Serral's mention here was totally uncalled for and you are forgetting his second place at DH Last Chance. GOAT claims, legitimate or not, have nothing to do with recents results anyway; they are related to career achievements. Maru in 2021 is very consistent in any competition, something he has never been, and except for TvZ he looks like the strongest Terran in the world; he seems better than he was in 2020, wondering why he hasn't won anything this year despite being in good shape is appropriate. Assuming Inno doesn't surprise us with sparks of his past glory, Maru is playing the finals anyway; the perspective of him rushing to save maybe an hour by playing risky is mildly amusing, he has to play in Code S the following evening. | ||
Poopi
France12887 Posts
On July 04 2021 13:25 parksonsc wrote: Come on, Rogue is not completely a tier above Maru as you sound like, they are evenly matched and a Bo7 between them could go either way. Last GSL finals were just Maru's straight up BO losses and wrong decision making. I would even say that in non GSL events, Maru is the utmost favorite versus Rogue since he can play however he wants without Rogue being overly prepared. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On July 04 2021 13:25 parksonsc wrote: Come on, Rogue is not completely a tier above Maru as you sound like, they are evenly matched and a Bo7 between them could go either way. Last GSL finals were just Maru's straight up BO losses and wrong decision making. Ya, I think Rogue is a much better match up for him than Reynor, I don't see him beating the Italian. | ||
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tigera6
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On July 04 2021 20:03 Nakajin wrote: Ya, I think Rogue is a much better match up for him than Reynor, I don't see him beating the Italian. Dream gave Reynor enough issue from last night despite playing from behind because his cheese got scouted and hard-countered. I dont think Maru would be that much worse from Dream. Last time they met, Reynor was on the verge of getting 0-3 before Maru moved away from his best build. Even with that, Reynor was winning because of some critical Fungal hit. And I dont think Reynor is at the same level he was in IEM yet. | ||
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Poopi
France12887 Posts
On July 04 2021 20:56 tigera6 wrote: Dream gave Reynor enough issue from last night despite playing from behind because his cheese got scouted and hard-countered. I dont think Maru would be that much worse from Dream. Last time they met, Reynor was on the verge of getting 0-3 before Maru moved away from his best build. Even with that, Reynor was winning because of some critical Fungal hit. And I dont think Reynor is at the same level he was in IEM yet. I wouldn’t put much faith in Maru’s cross server TvZ though, he has to hope Rogue beats Reynor. INno is not the favorite but he is still potent in TvT so risky match up for Maru. He has decent odds of winning it all though! Reynor is still the favorite | ||
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parksonsc
175 Posts
On July 04 2021 20:03 Nakajin wrote: Ya, I think Rogue is a much better match up for him than Reynor, I don't see him beating the Italian. If Maru doesn't set himself behind with some stupid rax proxy, I would still favor him vs Reynor in a Bo7. Last time they played in IEM, it was Maru to throw the 2-0 lead by the BO lost. | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
Inno winning would be the most surprising outcome for sure, but among the other three I'm not sure. Rogue is wildly inconsistent, and Maru and Reynor seem to be playing well but not quite at their peaks? Which leaves any kind of performance possible I think. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On July 04 2021 21:30 parksonsc wrote: If Maru doesn't set himself behind with some stupid rax proxy, I would still favor him vs Reynor in a Bo7. Last time they played in IEM, it was Maru to throw the 2-0 lead by the BO lost. I think Reynor tvz style has evolved in the last few months in a direction that is very much not favorable for Maru, maybe it's just me but he doesn't seem to cruse into the slower lurker play as much. Maru in TvZ likes to find a way to put himself in a build order or composition advantage be it by taking it into the late game, some early pushes or countering his opponent composition. (especially when it's against roaches and the like) The high octane bio-play in tvz has never been in strong suite, he's best suited against player like Dark, Ragnarok, Rogue even, not so much against player who play straight up some combination of ling-bane-muta, your Armani, Serral, Solar and before that Life, Soulkey, JD, HOTS soO, ect... Obviously he's not terrible at it, but I think it's a hefty task to expect him to break someone like Reynor if they go head to head in that mid-game. | ||
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sneakyfox
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tigera6
3401 Posts
On July 04 2021 17:55 Xain0n wrote: Serral's mention here was totally uncalled for and you are forgetting his second place at DH Last Chance. GOAT claims, legitimate or not, have nothing to do with recents results anyway; they are related to career achievements. Maru in 2021 is very consistent in any competition, something he has never been, and except for TvZ he looks like the strongest Terran in the world; he seems better than he was in 2020, wondering why he hasn't won anything this year despite being in good shape is appropriate. Assuming Inno doesn't surprise us with sparks of his past glory, Maru is playing the finals anyway; the perspective of him rushing to save maybe an hour by playing risky is mildly amusing, he has to play in Code S the following evening. Its just stupid to say recent result has NOTHING to do with the GOAT discussion, so the current result does not affect career achievement? And while Serral is falling off and his competitor are racking more titles, it has absolutely no effect on the debate? Where did you learn to do critical thinking? And its around 12 hours apart between the GSL and the DH Global Final end, doing shitty quick build not only saving the time but also mental stress to do a full 7-game which might go ultra late. I dont relaly give a crap if you are amused or not, but you cant deny its a screw up on the schedule between ESL and GSL. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On July 04 2021 22:45 tigera6 wrote: Its just stupid to say recent result has NOTHING to do with the GOAT discussion, so the current result does not affect career achievement? And while Serral is falling off and his competitor are racking more titles, it has absolutely no effect on the debate? Where did you learn to do critical thinking? And its around 12 hours apart between the GSL and the DH Global Final end, doing shitty quick build not only saving the time but also mental stress to do a full 7-game which might go ultra late. I dont relaly give a crap if you are amused or not, but you cant deny its a screw up on the schedule between ESL and GSL. I think it's more than just because someone talk about Maru, not every response need to be about Serral and replay the same argument we have had dozens and dozens of time for almost three year straight. | ||
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Topin
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