• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:27
CEST 21:27
KST 04:27
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors14[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists19[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers22Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid25
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists MaNa leaves Team Liquid Maestros of the Game 2 announced 2026 GSL Tour plans announced Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool
Tourneys
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament INu's Battles#14 <BO.9 2Matches> GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ FlaSh: This Will Be My Final ASL【ASL S21 Ro.16】 Leta's ASL S21 Ro.16 review ASL21 General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro8 Day 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro16 Group D Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Diablo IV Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread 3D technology/software discussion European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2395 users

[DHM 2021] Summer: Season Finals - Playoffs - Page 9

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 22 Next All
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
July 04 2021 14:39 GMT
#161
Maru all of a sudden making all sorts of mistakes
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
parksonsc
Profile Joined May 2019
175 Posts
July 04 2021 14:39 GMT
#162
On July 04 2021 23:39 sneakyfox wrote:
Maru all of a sudden making all sorts of mistakes


he read the game teribly but still ahead because the BO win.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10112 Posts
July 04 2021 14:39 GMT
#163
inno you genius, amazing counter attack and he is back in the game
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
July 04 2021 14:43 GMT
#164
This should have been over by the 5th minute or so but now we get a 30 minute skyterran turtle game lol
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33592 Posts
July 04 2021 14:48 GMT
#165
Maru making Libs and not Ravens, how amusing ;0
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
July 04 2021 14:49 GMT
#166
Maru on 6 bases now.
parksonsc
Profile Joined May 2019
175 Posts
July 04 2021 14:49 GMT
#167
Been following Inno since 2013 and there is one thing that he always neglect spell casters such as Raven and Ghost. That style fit HOTS and the beginning of LOTV very well, but not for the current meta. Maybe his control over a complex composition is just not good.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
July 04 2021 14:50 GMT
#168
On July 04 2021 23:34 AzAlexZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2021 23:33 Xain0n wrote:
On July 04 2021 23:31 AzAlexZ wrote:
On July 04 2021 23:09 Xain0n wrote:
On July 04 2021 22:45 tigera6 wrote:
On July 04 2021 17:55 Xain0n wrote:
On July 04 2021 13:31 tigera6 wrote:
On July 04 2021 11:49 JJH777 wrote:
It's weird that Maru hasn't won something yet this year. First year since 2017 where he hasn't won something in the first 6 months. This is his 5th time in a top 4. Hopefully this is the tournament that changes that.

Well, Serral hasnt won anything in 2021 neither, and his overall run has been even less impressive than Maru (no top 4 in any tournament so far other than SAHSC which is not an ESL tournament), but that doesnt stop EU fanboy keep calling him the GOAT. So I guess there is nothing wrong with Maru hasnt won a tournament so far, but winning one would certainly be great for him.
Also, like I stated before, Maru gotta play in the GSL tomorrow, so I am not sure how much he is willing to stay till 5-6am to finish the Finals. It wont be shocking if we see proxy racks after 2-base all-in push gamble.


Serral's mention here was totally uncalled for and you are forgetting his second place at DH Last Chance.

GOAT claims, legitimate or not, have nothing to do with recents results anyway; they are related to career achievements.

Maru in 2021 is very consistent in any competition, something he has never been, and except for TvZ he looks like the strongest Terran in the world; he seems better than he was in 2020, wondering why he hasn't won anything this year despite being in good shape is appropriate.

Assuming Inno doesn't surprise us with sparks of his past glory, Maru is playing the finals anyway; the perspective of him rushing to save maybe an hour by playing risky is mildly amusing, he has to play in Code S the following evening.

Its just stupid to say recent result has NOTHING to do with the GOAT discussion, so the current result does not affect career achievement? And while Serral is falling off and his competitor are racking more titles, it has absolutely no effect on the debate? Where did you learn to do critical thinking?
And its around 12 hours apart between the GSL and the DH Global Final end, doing shitty quick build not only saving the time but also mental stress to do a full 7-game which might go ultra late. I dont relaly give a crap if you are amused or not, but you cant deny its a screw up on the schedule between ESL and GSL.


Do I even have to explain what this means? Recent results obviously add up to career achievements; however, considered in a vacuum, they give you a clear indication of form or could even suggest someone becoming Bonjwa-like and shouldn't be looked at if you are speaking of GOATs.
In case of evenly matched players that have already amassed a certain amount of titles making them eligible for being called GOATS, recent results would make a difference but it could as well be very futile since the next three months of competitions could give you a different indication.

The idea of rushing a final in order of supposedly favoring a ro16(yes, DH Masters vs Code S but still...)doesn't seem very smart when said final is still worth thousand of dollars and that you have half a day(including a full night/morning of sleep ahead of you) to recover.
The schedule is not a comfortable one but we have seen much worse(Byun vs Clem in WTL for example, that was indeed a forcibly rushed game)

Why are we still talking about Serral being a GOAT?
He is not a GOAT, he can never be the GREATEST OF ALL TIME if he's only relevant for half of one expansion
Maybe the greatest of LOTV but that's it


And why are you exactly asking this question to me?

I'm addressing this whole argument, stop talking about Serral in a tournament where he didn't even qualify to play in, this obsession is kinda annoying


You are addressing it wrong, I wasn't the one speaking of Serral.
This assumpion is kinda annoying as well.
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
July 04 2021 14:52 GMT
#169
That was an unusually high amount of freedom Innovation received there.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
July 04 2021 14:52 GMT
#170
fantastic performance by Maru, can't wait for the finals
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
July 04 2021 14:53 GMT
#171
On July 04 2021 23:52 sneakyfox wrote:
That was an unusually high amount of freedom Innovation received there.


Maybe it was all an elaborate troll from Maru to flex his freedom while INno has to go to the military
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
July 04 2021 15:03 GMT
#172
Maru: I knew innovation would be aggressive so I just had to be defensive.

*Also proxy raxes two games
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3483 Posts
July 04 2021 15:05 GMT
#173
On July 05 2021 00:03 Pandain wrote:
Maru: I knew innovation would be aggressive so I just had to be defensive.

*Also proxy raxes two games

Maru proxy is his "macro game"
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2755 Posts
July 04 2021 15:07 GMT
#174
Without TY, I suppose there is only cure to challenge Maru's tvt no ?
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45732 Posts
July 04 2021 15:08 GMT
#175
Rogue and then Maru; looks like Reynor will have a tough set of matches ahead of him.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
July 04 2021 15:10 GMT
#176
First real test for Rogue this tournament, let's see how he look.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
July 04 2021 15:10 GMT
#177
On July 04 2021 23:53 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2021 23:52 sneakyfox wrote:
That was an unusually high amount of freedom Innovation received there.


Maybe it was all an elaborate troll from Maru to flex his freedom while INno has to go to the military


Truly a beautiful thought.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
July 04 2021 15:11 GMT
#178
On July 05 2021 00:10 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2021 23:53 Nakajin wrote:
On July 04 2021 23:52 sneakyfox wrote:
That was an unusually high amount of freedom Innovation received there.


Maybe it was all an elaborate troll from Maru to flex his freedom while INno has to go to the military


Truly a beautiful thought.


I agree, I found it amazing.
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-04 15:16:56
July 04 2021 15:16 GMT
#179
On July 04 2021 23:53 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2021 23:52 sneakyfox wrote:
That was an unusually high amount of freedom Innovation received there.


Maybe it was all an elaborate troll from Maru to flex his freedom while INno has to go to the military

yeah the subtext of the unit compositions in that game certainly makes it amusing per the context
Faker is the GOAT!
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3541 Posts
July 04 2021 15:19 GMT
#180
Rogue?
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 22 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Monday Night Weeklies
16:00
#49
RotterdaM956
TKL 390
IndyStarCraft 277
SteadfastSC229
BRAT_OK 133
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 956
TKL 390
IndyStarCraft 277
SteadfastSC 229
BRAT_OK 133
UpATreeSC 98
JuggernautJason45
StarCraft: Brood War
ggaemo 436
Hyun 63
HiyA 18
910 18
NaDa 9
Dota 2
capcasts127
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps2369
fl0m2097
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King41
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu258
Khaldor226
Other Games
Grubby5596
summit1g2644
B2W.Neo1253
Beastyqt937
mouzStarbuck296
Sick237
C9.Mang0223
KnowMe212
Hui .120
Trikslyr54
MindelVK10
Pyrionflax0
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream499
Other Games
BasetradeTV335
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 22 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• kabyraGe 209
• StrangeGG 72
• EnkiAlexander 14
• Reevou 7
• Adnapsc2 1
• Kozan
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 25
• FirePhoenix22
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV799
League of Legends
• Nemesis3380
Other Games
• imaqtpie1465
• Shiphtur208
• tFFMrPink 13
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
4h 33m
Replay Cast
13h 33m
Afreeca Starleague
14h 33m
Leta vs YSC
GSL
1d 14h
Rogue vs Percival
Zoun vs Solar
Replay Cast
2 days
GSL
2 days
Cure vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs Bunny
The PondCast
2 days
KCM Race Survival
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Escore
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
IPSL
4 days
Ret vs Art_Of_Turtle
Radley vs TBD
BSL
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
BSL
5 days
IPSL
5 days
eOnzErG vs TBD
G5 vs Nesh
Replay Cast
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Jaedong vs Light
Monday Night Weeklies
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W4
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W5
KK 2v2 League Season 1
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.