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Maru is just obsessed by proxy rax, he just can't resist it.
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There is simply no chance Inno could see this coming
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On July 04 2021 22:45 tigera6 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2021 17:55 Xain0n wrote:On July 04 2021 13:31 tigera6 wrote:On July 04 2021 11:49 JJH777 wrote:
It's weird that Maru hasn't won something yet this year. First year since 2017 where he hasn't won something in the first 6 months. This is his 5th time in a top 4. Hopefully this is the tournament that changes that. Well, Serral hasnt won anything in 2021 neither, and his overall run has been even less impressive than Maru (no top 4 in any tournament so far other than SAHSC which is not an ESL tournament), but that doesnt stop EU fanboy keep calling him the GOAT. So I guess there is nothing wrong with Maru hasnt won a tournament so far, but winning one would certainly be great for him. Also, like I stated before, Maru gotta play in the GSL tomorrow, so I am not sure how much he is willing to stay till 5-6am to finish the Finals. It wont be shocking if we see proxy racks after 2-base all-in push gamble. Serral's mention here was totally uncalled for and you are forgetting his second place at DH Last Chance. GOAT claims, legitimate or not, have nothing to do with recents results anyway; they are related to career achievements. Maru in 2021 is very consistent in any competition, something he has never been, and except for TvZ he looks like the strongest Terran in the world; he seems better than he was in 2020, wondering why he hasn't won anything this year despite being in good shape is appropriate. Assuming Inno doesn't surprise us with sparks of his past glory, Maru is playing the finals anyway; the perspective of him rushing to save maybe an hour by playing risky is mildly amusing, he has to play in Code S the following evening. Its just stupid to say recent result has NOTHING to do with the GOAT discussion, so the current result does not affect career achievement? And while Serral is falling off and his competitor are racking more titles, it has absolutely no effect on the debate? Where did you learn to do critical thinking? And its around 12 hours apart between the GSL and the DH Global Final end, doing shitty quick build not only saving the time but also mental stress to do a full 7-game which might go ultra late. I dont relaly give a crap if you are amused or not, but you cant deny its a screw up on the schedule between ESL and GSL.
Do I even have to explain what this means? Recent results obviously add up to career achievements; however, considered in a vacuum, they give you a clear indication of form or could even suggest someone becoming Bonjwa-like and shouldn't be looked at if you are speaking of GOATs.
In case of evenly matched players that have already amassed a certain amount of titles making them eligible for being called GOATS, recent results would make a difference but it could as well be very futile since the next three months of competitions could give you a different indication.
The idea of rushing a final in order of supposedly favoring a ro16(yes, DH Masters vs Code S but still...)doesn't seem very smart when said final is still worth thousand of dollars and that you have half a day(including a full night/morning of sleep ahead of you) to recover.
The schedule is not a comfortable one but we have seen much worse(Byun vs Clem in WTL for example, that was indeed a forcibly rushed game)
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Canada8989 Posts
Wtf how did Maru hold that?
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Impressive game from Maru so far
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Now imagine how that would have looked if Maru didn't proxy.
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great start. lets go Maruuuuuuuuuuu 
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France12909 Posts
Crap I missed g1, how did INno lose to Maru
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On July 04 2021 23:19 sneakyfox wrote:
Now imagine how that would have looked if Maru didn't proxy.
this, this bothers me so much that Maru is so good in a straight-up macro game and he still more than often risk himself by going proxy. It's just nonsense.
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On July 04 2021 23:21 Poopi wrote:
Crap I missed g1, how did INno lose to Maru
A bit of a bad proxy 2 rax reaper into a raven harras into a defense against INno push he had no right pulling of, worth re-watching it later later IMO.
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On July 04 2021 23:23 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2021 23:21 Poopi wrote:
Crap I missed g1, how did INno lose to Maru A bit of a bad proxy 2 rax reaper into a raven harras into a defense against INno push he had no right pulling of, worth re-watching it later later IMO.
Ok thanks! Hoping for a Maru victory right before his GSL group
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I feel the same. Really would like for the finals not to be cross-server. But I don't really fancy either of the Terrans' chances against Reyner regardless whether it is cross-server or not.
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holy fuck Maru is playing like a god!
i thought semis was bo7 
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ESL still using a JAGW photo of Maru, come on guys
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On July 04 2021 23:09 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2021 22:45 tigera6 wrote:On July 04 2021 17:55 Xain0n wrote:On July 04 2021 13:31 tigera6 wrote:On July 04 2021 11:49 JJH777 wrote:
It's weird that Maru hasn't won something yet this year. First year since 2017 where he hasn't won something in the first 6 months. This is his 5th time in a top 4. Hopefully this is the tournament that changes that. Well, Serral hasnt won anything in 2021 neither, and his overall run has been even less impressive than Maru (no top 4 in any tournament so far other than SAHSC which is not an ESL tournament), but that doesnt stop EU fanboy keep calling him the GOAT. So I guess there is nothing wrong with Maru hasnt won a tournament so far, but winning one would certainly be great for him. Also, like I stated before, Maru gotta play in the GSL tomorrow, so I am not sure how much he is willing to stay till 5-6am to finish the Finals. It wont be shocking if we see proxy racks after 2-base all-in push gamble. Serral's mention here was totally uncalled for and you are forgetting his second place at DH Last Chance. GOAT claims, legitimate or not, have nothing to do with recents results anyway; they are related to career achievements. Maru in 2021 is very consistent in any competition, something he has never been, and except for TvZ he looks like the strongest Terran in the world; he seems better than he was in 2020, wondering why he hasn't won anything this year despite being in good shape is appropriate. Assuming Inno doesn't surprise us with sparks of his past glory, Maru is playing the finals anyway; the perspective of him rushing to save maybe an hour by playing risky is mildly amusing, he has to play in Code S the following evening. Its just stupid to say recent result has NOTHING to do with the GOAT discussion, so the current result does not affect career achievement? And while Serral is falling off and his competitor are racking more titles, it has absolutely no effect on the debate? Where did you learn to do critical thinking? And its around 12 hours apart between the GSL and the DH Global Final end, doing shitty quick build not only saving the time but also mental stress to do a full 7-game which might go ultra late. I dont relaly give a crap if you are amused or not, but you cant deny its a screw up on the schedule between ESL and GSL. Do I even have to explain what this means? Recent results obviously add up to career achievements; however, considered in a vacuum, they give you a clear indication of form or could even suggest someone becoming Bonjwa-like and shouldn't be looked at if you are speaking of GOATs. In case of evenly matched players that have already amassed a certain amount of titles making them eligible for being called GOATS, recent results would make a difference but it could as well be very futile since the next three months of competitions could give you a different indication. The idea of rushing a final in order of supposedly favoring a ro16(yes, DH Masters vs Code S but still...)doesn't seem very smart when said final is still worth thousand of dollars and that you have half a day(including a full night/morning of sleep ahead of you) to recover. The schedule is not a comfortable one but we have seen much worse(Byun vs Clem in WTL for example, that was indeed a forcibly rushed game)
Why are we still talking about Serral being a GOAT?
He is not a GOAT, he can never be the GREATEST OF ALL TIME.
Serral was only relevant for half of LOTV, maybe he can be the greatest of LOTV but that's it
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Innovation's alleged lack of practice seems quite evident in this series so far.
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On July 04 2021 23:31 AzAlexZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2021 23:09 Xain0n wrote:On July 04 2021 22:45 tigera6 wrote:On July 04 2021 17:55 Xain0n wrote:On July 04 2021 13:31 tigera6 wrote:On July 04 2021 11:49 JJH777 wrote:
It's weird that Maru hasn't won something yet this year. First year since 2017 where he hasn't won something in the first 6 months. This is his 5th time in a top 4. Hopefully this is the tournament that changes that. Well, Serral hasnt won anything in 2021 neither, and his overall run has been even less impressive than Maru (no top 4 in any tournament so far other than SAHSC which is not an ESL tournament), but that doesnt stop EU fanboy keep calling him the GOAT. So I guess there is nothing wrong with Maru hasnt won a tournament so far, but winning one would certainly be great for him. Also, like I stated before, Maru gotta play in the GSL tomorrow, so I am not sure how much he is willing to stay till 5-6am to finish the Finals. It wont be shocking if we see proxy racks after 2-base all-in push gamble. Serral's mention here was totally uncalled for and you are forgetting his second place at DH Last Chance. GOAT claims, legitimate or not, have nothing to do with recents results anyway; they are related to career achievements. Maru in 2021 is very consistent in any competition, something he has never been, and except for TvZ he looks like the strongest Terran in the world; he seems better than he was in 2020, wondering why he hasn't won anything this year despite being in good shape is appropriate. Assuming Inno doesn't surprise us with sparks of his past glory, Maru is playing the finals anyway; the perspective of him rushing to save maybe an hour by playing risky is mildly amusing, he has to play in Code S the following evening. Its just stupid to say recent result has NOTHING to do with the GOAT discussion, so the current result does not affect career achievement? And while Serral is falling off and his competitor are racking more titles, it has absolutely no effect on the debate? Where did you learn to do critical thinking? And its around 12 hours apart between the GSL and the DH Global Final end, doing shitty quick build not only saving the time but also mental stress to do a full 7-game which might go ultra late. I dont relaly give a crap if you are amused or not, but you cant deny its a screw up on the schedule between ESL and GSL. Do I even have to explain what this means? Recent results obviously add up to career achievements; however, considered in a vacuum, they give you a clear indication of form or could even suggest someone becoming Bonjwa-like and shouldn't be looked at if you are speaking of GOATs. In case of evenly matched players that have already amassed a certain amount of titles making them eligible for being called GOATS, recent results would make a difference but it could as well be very futile since the next three months of competitions could give you a different indication. The idea of rushing a final in order of supposedly favoring a ro16(yes, DH Masters vs Code S but still...)doesn't seem very smart when said final is still worth thousand of dollars and that you have half a day(including a full night/morning of sleep ahead of you) to recover. The schedule is not a comfortable one but we have seen much worse(Byun vs Clem in WTL for example, that was indeed a forcibly rushed game) Why are we still talking about Serral being a GOAT? He is not a GOAT, he can never be the GREATEST OF ALL TIME if he's only relevant for half of one expansion Maybe the greatest of LOTV but that's it
And why are you exactly asking this question to me?
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On July 04 2021 23:31 AzAlexZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2021 23:09 Xain0n wrote:On July 04 2021 22:45 tigera6 wrote:On July 04 2021 17:55 Xain0n wrote:On July 04 2021 13:31 tigera6 wrote:On July 04 2021 11:49 JJH777 wrote:
It's weird that Maru hasn't won something yet this year. First year since 2017 where he hasn't won something in the first 6 months. This is his 5th time in a top 4. Hopefully this is the tournament that changes that. Well, Serral hasnt won anything in 2021 neither, and his overall run has been even less impressive than Maru (no top 4 in any tournament so far other than SAHSC which is not an ESL tournament), but that doesnt stop EU fanboy keep calling him the GOAT. So I guess there is nothing wrong with Maru hasnt won a tournament so far, but winning one would certainly be great for him. Also, like I stated before, Maru gotta play in the GSL tomorrow, so I am not sure how much he is willing to stay till 5-6am to finish the Finals. It wont be shocking if we see proxy racks after 2-base all-in push gamble. Serral's mention here was totally uncalled for and you are forgetting his second place at DH Last Chance. GOAT claims, legitimate or not, have nothing to do with recents results anyway; they are related to career achievements. Maru in 2021 is very consistent in any competition, something he has never been, and except for TvZ he looks like the strongest Terran in the world; he seems better than he was in 2020, wondering why he hasn't won anything this year despite being in good shape is appropriate. Assuming Inno doesn't surprise us with sparks of his past glory, Maru is playing the finals anyway; the perspective of him rushing to save maybe an hour by playing risky is mildly amusing, he has to play in Code S the following evening. Its just stupid to say recent result has NOTHING to do with the GOAT discussion, so the current result does not affect career achievement? And while Serral is falling off and his competitor are racking more titles, it has absolutely no effect on the debate? Where did you learn to do critical thinking? And its around 12 hours apart between the GSL and the DH Global Final end, doing shitty quick build not only saving the time but also mental stress to do a full 7-game which might go ultra late. I dont relaly give a crap if you are amused or not, but you cant deny its a screw up on the schedule between ESL and GSL. Do I even have to explain what this means? Recent results obviously add up to career achievements; however, considered in a vacuum, they give you a clear indication of form or could even suggest someone becoming Bonjwa-like and shouldn't be looked at if you are speaking of GOATs. In case of evenly matched players that have already amassed a certain amount of titles making them eligible for being called GOATS, recent results would make a difference but it could as well be very futile since the next three months of competitions could give you a different indication. The idea of rushing a final in order of supposedly favoring a ro16(yes, DH Masters vs Code S but still...)doesn't seem very smart when said final is still worth thousand of dollars and that you have half a day(including a full night/morning of sleep ahead of you) to recover. The schedule is not a comfortable one but we have seen much worse(Byun vs Clem in WTL for example, that was indeed a forcibly rushed game) Why are we still talking about Serral being a GOAT? He is not a GOAT, he can never be the GREATEST OF ALL TIME. Serral was only relevant for half of LOTV Maybe the greatest of LOTV but that's it
He can't be LotV Goat if Rogue is tho 
EDIT: Agree in general though.
I'd say the Goat discussion in general is a bit silly in SC2 as there are many contenders and time periods to consider.
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On July 04 2021 23:33 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2021 23:31 AzAlexZ wrote:On July 04 2021 23:09 Xain0n wrote:On July 04 2021 22:45 tigera6 wrote:On July 04 2021 17:55 Xain0n wrote:On July 04 2021 13:31 tigera6 wrote:On July 04 2021 11:49 JJH777 wrote:
It's weird that Maru hasn't won something yet this year. First year since 2017 where he hasn't won something in the first 6 months. This is his 5th time in a top 4. Hopefully this is the tournament that changes that. Well, Serral hasnt won anything in 2021 neither, and his overall run has been even less impressive than Maru (no top 4 in any tournament so far other than SAHSC which is not an ESL tournament), but that doesnt stop EU fanboy keep calling him the GOAT. So I guess there is nothing wrong with Maru hasnt won a tournament so far, but winning one would certainly be great for him. Also, like I stated before, Maru gotta play in the GSL tomorrow, so I am not sure how much he is willing to stay till 5-6am to finish the Finals. It wont be shocking if we see proxy racks after 2-base all-in push gamble. Serral's mention here was totally uncalled for and you are forgetting his second place at DH Last Chance. GOAT claims, legitimate or not, have nothing to do with recents results anyway; they are related to career achievements. Maru in 2021 is very consistent in any competition, something he has never been, and except for TvZ he looks like the strongest Terran in the world; he seems better than he was in 2020, wondering why he hasn't won anything this year despite being in good shape is appropriate. Assuming Inno doesn't surprise us with sparks of his past glory, Maru is playing the finals anyway; the perspective of him rushing to save maybe an hour by playing risky is mildly amusing, he has to play in Code S the following evening. Its just stupid to say recent result has NOTHING to do with the GOAT discussion, so the current result does not affect career achievement? And while Serral is falling off and his competitor are racking more titles, it has absolutely no effect on the debate? Where did you learn to do critical thinking? And its around 12 hours apart between the GSL and the DH Global Final end, doing shitty quick build not only saving the time but also mental stress to do a full 7-game which might go ultra late. I dont relaly give a crap if you are amused or not, but you cant deny its a screw up on the schedule between ESL and GSL. Do I even have to explain what this means? Recent results obviously add up to career achievements; however, considered in a vacuum, they give you a clear indication of form or could even suggest someone becoming Bonjwa-like and shouldn't be looked at if you are speaking of GOATs. In case of evenly matched players that have already amassed a certain amount of titles making them eligible for being called GOATS, recent results would make a difference but it could as well be very futile since the next three months of competitions could give you a different indication. The idea of rushing a final in order of supposedly favoring a ro16(yes, DH Masters vs Code S but still...)doesn't seem very smart when said final is still worth thousand of dollars and that you have half a day(including a full night/morning of sleep ahead of you) to recover. The schedule is not a comfortable one but we have seen much worse(Byun vs Clem in WTL for example, that was indeed a forcibly rushed game) Why are we still talking about Serral being a GOAT? He is not a GOAT, he can never be the GREATEST OF ALL TIME if he's only relevant for half of one expansion Maybe the greatest of LOTV but that's it And why are you exactly asking this question to me?
I'm addressing this whole argument, stop talking about Serral in a tournament where he didn't even qualify to play in, this obsession is kinda annoying
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Welllll that's that lol.
EDIT: Nvm TvT is hard to call.
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