EPT[GSL 2020] Code S - Semi Finals - Day 1 - Page 7
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NoS-Craig
Australia3095 Posts
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Luolis
Finland7104 Posts
On October 21 2020 18:17 Vindicare605 wrote: Battlecruisers were literally not used outside of ultra late game TvT until they got Tactical Jump and moving shot. That's what it took to actually make them viable. The alternative to those abilities is just returning to the days where the Battlecruiser was a joke unit. Those are just the facts. Before it got those buffs, it wasn't a valid unit. After those buffs it's still niche but actually a valid unit. If you want those buffs reverted you're just admitting that you think it shouldn't be a useful unit for Terran, and that logic to me disqualifies you from talking about game design. I would be happy if BC was a joke unit if this is the alternative. | ||
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seemsgood
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Supah
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On October 21 2020 18:17 Vindicare605 wrote: Battlecruisers were literally not used outside of ultra late game TvT until they got Tactical Jump and moving shot. That's what it took to actually make them viable. The alternative to those abilities is just returning to the days where the Battlecruiser was a joke unit. Those are just the facts. Before it got those buffs, it wasn't a valid unit. After those buffs it's still niche but actually a valid unit. If you want those buffs reverted you're just admitting that you think it shouldn't be a useful unit for Terran, and that logic to me disqualifies you from talking about game design. This is an atrociously bad strawman take. But I really would rather BCs not be in the meta at all, than be in it by virtue of blinking into main bases before Zerg can finish a spire. | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3095 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
Heavy Robotics play is basically the Protoss equivalent of Terran Mech. | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On October 21 2020 18:20 Supah wrote: Are Tempests not useful against BCs? its shiet against BC | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 21 2020 18:17 Vindicare605 wrote: Battlecruisers were literally not used outside of ultra late game TvT until they got Tactical Jump and moving shot. That's what it took to actually make them viable. The alternative to those abilities is just returning to the days where the Battlecruiser was a joke unit. Those are just the facts. Before it got those buffs, it wasn't a valid unit. After those buffs it's still niche but actually a valid unit. If you want those buffs reverted you're just admitting that you think it shouldn't be a useful unit for Terran, and that logic to me disqualifies you from talking about game design. It's still a bad design choice though. WIth a good end, so what? Still it's a bad thing, same with BL/SH. They're hated not because they're directly OP but because they're bad design | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
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yht9657
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Argonauta
Spain4906 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
On October 21 2020 18:22 deacon.frost wrote: It's still a bad design choice though. WIth a good end, so what? Still it's a bad thing, same with BL/SH. They're hated not because they're directly OP but because they're bad design Well you just answered with the easiest counter point ever. If Zerg and Protoss have all of these band aid answers to making their race work in Starcraft 2, why can't Terran? If you want to start making arguments based on "well I think that's bad design" two things, first that's a subjective argument and second, that's a rabbit hole that doesn't have an end. So what difference does it make? | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 21 2020 18:24 Vindicare605 wrote: Well you just answered with the easiest counter point ever. If Zerg and Protoss have all of these band aid answers to making their race work in Starcraft 2, why can't Terran? If you want to start making arguments based on "well I think that's bad design" two things, first that's a subjective argument and second, that's a rabbit hole that doesn't have an end. So what difference does it make? DUDE. Do you read my posts? I'm all for removing ALL OF THE BAD CHOICES. It was like 2 posts over yours original... wtf?  C'mon, I am advocating for a queen change for years now. | ||
Waxangel
United States33362 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
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WTCO
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