[GSL 2020] Code S - Semi Finals - Day 1 - Page 13

On October 22 2020 04:05 3 Lions wrote:
Stats is the epitome of a standard protoss player. I don't think him losing to a player like TY (arguably one of the more unpredictable terrans) should be taken as an indicator of imbalance in the matchup. TY prepared better for the series and it showed. He was the better player today and it wasn't close.

Honestly I think Blizzard patched this game much too often and them perhaps dialing back the cadence of balance updates can hopefully drive more pro players to develop counter-play instead of just whining about imbalance. Or perhaps map-making can also help address some of these issues.

On October 22 2020 05:43 Cricketer12 wrote:
Damn...pretty sad ending to gsl

On October 22 2020 07:17 JJH777 wrote:
The problem with Protoss results for the past 3 years is solely due to Zerg and this match doesn't change that. Protoss are doing great in TvP right now and besides a few minor stretches they've done well in that matchup basically forever.

Looking at premier tournaments since 1/1/2018 TvP finals consisted of 1 win for Toss and 3 losses. Sure 1 win out of 4 finals isn't great but all 3 of those losses were to Maru who especially on TvP has dramatically outperformed other T players. The bigger issue is that only 4 premiers have had a TvP finals in a 3 year period which is also caused by Zerg.

Now let's look at ZvP finals we have 18 ZvP finals and Toss has only won 3. And one of those was Neeb vs Scarlett in WCS America. The other two were Stats in a super tournament and in ASUS Rog. That is abysmal.

I feel like Zergs here and on Reddit just wait for Protoss to lose a high profile PvT and then blame Terran for P underperformance when it is clearly Zerg and the occasional big PvT loss doesn't change that.

On October 22 2020 09:32 lolfail9001 wrote:


I mean, you say it's Zerg, i say it's clearly Rogue and Serral who have built themselves a career out of murdering Protoss players in Bo7s. And Rogue's streak of doing that starts even before 2018.

On October 22 2020 10:01 serendipitous wrote:
I'd like to see a small buff to zealots in some way, it seems that protoss has less options after the Zealot nerfs. Although PvT seemed good for Protoss up until now so it could just need another meta shift.

I don't think TY won through balance though, the way he's playing is absolutely insane and he's only lost a single map this GSL. My brain says he'll win GSL but my heart hopes for Maru.

On October 22 2020 07:17 JJH777 wrote:
The problem with Protoss results for the past 3 years is solely due to Zerg and this match doesn't change that. Protoss are doing great in TvP right now and besides a few minor stretches they've done well in that matchup basically forever.

Looking at premier tournaments since 1/1/2018 TvP finals consisted of 1 win for Toss and 3 losses. Sure 1 win out of 4 finals isn't great but all 3 of those losses were to Maru who especially on TvP has dramatically outperformed other T players. The bigger issue is that only 4 premiers have had a TvP finals in a 3 year period which is also caused by Zerg.

Now let's look at ZvP finals we have 18 ZvP finals and Toss has only won 3. And one of those was Neeb vs Scarlett in WCS America. The other two were Stats in a super tournament and in ASUS Rog. That is abysmal.

I feel like Zergs here and on Reddit just wait for Protoss to lose a high profile PvT and then blame Terran for P underperformance when it is clearly Zerg and the occasional big PvT loss doesn't change that.

On October 22 2020 20:08 Zambrah wrote:
Did Stats win handily? Didnt he 2-1 Maru and 3-2 Innovation and even then whenever he deviated from doing the seemingly one viable PvT build he lost, he seemed to be not SCRAPING by, but hardly winning handily I'd say

On October 23 2020 02:51 lorestarcraft wrote:

Stats is probably one of the best 3 players in the world, was able to eek out wins with one style only.

Ty didn't have to prepare for anything except TvP, and used 4 different strategies and they all worked.

This is the problem, people say "well these 3 protoss players get out of group most of the time so it's fine."

Group play and actually preparing for a single opponent really shows you the inflexibility that handcuffs protoss.

Now, I think Stats should have worked in some all-ins, but honestly, they wouldn't be likely to work.