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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14003 Posts
September 16 2020 21:37 GMT
#301
On September 17 2020 04:45 dbRic1203 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2020 03:33 Cricketer12 wrote:
On September 17 2020 02:51 dbRic1203 wrote:
On September 17 2020 02:35 Cricketer12 wrote:
On September 17 2020 02:33 slant wrote:
On September 17 2020 02:31 Cricketer12 wrote:
I hate everything about this group...


You really think Nice having a .01% chance to take a game off of DRG was because of balance?

huh? I don't give a fuck about Nice. I just hate that Stats and DRG can't both advance


Well the Problem is, that they gave Special a Tier 2 seed ans DRG a Tier 3 Seed, so you can have Reynor together with 2 Koreans.
If you Swap Special and DRG the Groups would have looked a hell lot more even.
Now Group B is by far the hardest and Group C by far the easiest

Well that's just silly

Looking at Code S Results 2020 it s not.

Also when you compare him with the other Tier 2 Players (Stats, Trap and Inno) he seems quite misplaced there as well. I d rate both Clem and DRG higher than him.
And he isn t that much better than the remaining Tier 3 Players Scarlett and Astrea, so he d fit there quite well.
They both would be as succesfull dominating the LatAm Region as he is, if they swaped places.

>looking at code s it's not
>also makes my argument for me
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 17 2020 01:13 GMT
#302
Clem v. Rogue would be so hype. But I can't help but think Special is going to just beat clem twice.
tigon_ridge
Profile Joined March 2019
482 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-17 04:25:12
September 17 2020 04:24 GMT
#303
On September 17 2020 10:13 Pandain wrote:
I can't help but think Special is going to just beat clem twice.


That's probably not going to happen, even if they were to play four series against each other.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
September 17 2020 05:26 GMT
#304
On September 17 2020 06:37 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2020 04:45 dbRic1203 wrote:
On September 17 2020 03:33 Cricketer12 wrote:
On September 17 2020 02:51 dbRic1203 wrote:
On September 17 2020 02:35 Cricketer12 wrote:
On September 17 2020 02:33 slant wrote:
On September 17 2020 02:31 Cricketer12 wrote:
I hate everything about this group...


You really think Nice having a .01% chance to take a game off of DRG was because of balance?

huh? I don't give a fuck about Nice. I just hate that Stats and DRG can't both advance


Well the Problem is, that they gave Special a Tier 2 seed ans DRG a Tier 3 Seed, so you can have Reynor together with 2 Koreans.
If you Swap Special and DRG the Groups would have looked a hell lot more even.
Now Group B is by far the hardest and Group C by far the easiest

Well that's just silly

Looking at Code S Results 2020 it s not.

Also when you compare him with the other Tier 2 Players (Stats, Trap and Inno) he seems quite misplaced there as well. I d rate both Clem and DRG higher than him.
And he isn t that much better than the remaining Tier 3 Players Scarlett and Astrea, so he d fit there quite well.
They both would be as succesfull dominating the LatAm Region as he is, if they swaped places.

>looking at code s it's not
>also makes my argument for me

Sorry I thought you meant my claim was silly and disagreed with me on it.
Turns out we re on the exactly same page
Big RIP on my end
MaxPax
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
September 17 2020 09:01 GMT
#305
On September 17 2020 13:24 tigon_ridge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2020 10:13 Pandain wrote:
I can't help but think Special is going to just beat clem twice.


That's probably not going to happen, even if they were to play four series against each other.

idk Clem's TvT is probably his weakest matchup, he has a losing record against Heromarine and I wouldn't say Special's TvT is significantly worse than Heromarine's
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-17 09:15:06
September 17 2020 09:10 GMT
#306
On September 17 2020 18:01 starkiller123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2020 13:24 tigon_ridge wrote:
On September 17 2020 10:13 Pandain wrote:
I can't help but think Special is going to just beat clem twice.


That's probably not going to happen, even if they were to play four series against each other.

idk Clem's TvT is probably his weakest matchup, he has a losing record against Heromarine and I wouldn't say Special's TvT is significantly worse than Heromarine's

Yeah, while Clem is better than Special in TvP and way better in TvZ, their TvTs are actually pretty even or maybe even slightly favoured for Special, so it could absolutly happen.
E.: they are actually 4-4 in Matches total and 3-3 in Bo3+ in 2020
MaxPax
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
September 17 2020 10:02 GMT
#307
Rogue vs Clem hype ! Waiting for Special to destroy it and get totally manhandled by Rogue in the winners match :D
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
September 17 2020 10:35 GMT
#308
On September 17 2020 19:02 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Rogue vs Clem hype ! Waiting for Special to destroy it and get totally manhandled by Rogue in the winners match :D

I try to mentally ready myselve for the dissapointment allready. Lets hope we actually get the GSL Champ vs best Bio Macro TvZer in the World match, we all want. And lets hope it s not going to be completly butchered by the NA server
MaxPax
tigon_ridge
Profile Joined March 2019
482 Posts
September 17 2020 11:30 GMT
#309
On September 17 2020 18:10 dbRic1203 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2020 18:01 starkiller123 wrote:
On September 17 2020 13:24 tigon_ridge wrote:
On September 17 2020 10:13 Pandain wrote:
I can't help but think Special is going to just beat clem twice.


That's probably not going to happen, even if they were to play four series against each other.

idk Clem's TvT is probably his weakest matchup, he has a losing record against Heromarine and I wouldn't say Special's TvT is significantly worse than Heromarine's

Yeah, while Clem is better than Special in TvP and way better in TvZ, their TvTs are actually pretty even or maybe even slightly favoured for Special, so it could absolutly happen.
E.: they are actually 4-4 in Matches total and 3-3 in Bo3+ in 2020

On September 17 2020 18:01 starkiller123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2020 13:24 tigon_ridge wrote:
On September 17 2020 10:13 Pandain wrote:
I can't help but think Special is going to just beat clem twice.


That's probably not going to happen, even if they were to play four series against each other.

idk Clem's TvT is probably his weakest matchup, he has a losing record against Heromarine and I wouldn't say Special's TvT is significantly worse than Heromarine's

The difference is Clem has shown a vast improvement this year. Given a bit more time, his TvT will soon catch up to his TvZ. He seems to be as strong as Reynor was pre-2020, and improving just as quickly.
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2467 Posts
September 17 2020 11:54 GMT
#310
On September 17 2020 19:02 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Rogue vs Clem hype ! Waiting for Special to destroy it and get totally manhandled by Rogue in the winners match :D


I had a bad feeling that Rogue might not advance.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
September 17 2020 12:01 GMT
#311
On September 17 2020 20:30 tigon_ridge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2020 18:10 dbRic1203 wrote:
On September 17 2020 18:01 starkiller123 wrote:
On September 17 2020 13:24 tigon_ridge wrote:
On September 17 2020 10:13 Pandain wrote:
I can't help but think Special is going to just beat clem twice.


That's probably not going to happen, even if they were to play four series against each other.

idk Clem's TvT is probably his weakest matchup, he has a losing record against Heromarine and I wouldn't say Special's TvT is significantly worse than Heromarine's

Yeah, while Clem is better than Special in TvP and way better in TvZ, their TvTs are actually pretty even or maybe even slightly favoured for Special, so it could absolutly happen.
E.: they are actually 4-4 in Matches total and 3-3 in Bo3+ in 2020

Show nested quote +
On September 17 2020 18:01 starkiller123 wrote:
On September 17 2020 13:24 tigon_ridge wrote:
On September 17 2020 10:13 Pandain wrote:
I can't help but think Special is going to just beat clem twice.


That's probably not going to happen, even if they were to play four series against each other.

idk Clem's TvT is probably his weakest matchup, he has a losing record against Heromarine and I wouldn't say Special's TvT is significantly worse than Heromarine's

The difference is Clem has shown a vast improvement this year. Given a bit more time, his TvT will soon catch up to his TvZ. He seems to be as strong as Reynor was pre-2020, and improving just as quickly.

It should certainly see improvement, no guarantees it gets to his TvZ level ever though (which I guess he’ll improve yet further)

TvZ plays to almost all of Clem’s biggest strengths right through the lategame, TvP mostly with some drop off and TvT not quite so much.

He reminds me a lot of ByuN, his micro is top notch and he gains a bigger edge vs the competition when there’s a lot of skirmishes and small groups of units to micro. Not quite as good when it goes to lategame max armies having that big engagement.

TY can’t quite micro/macro like Maru or Inno but he’s still a fearsome opponent in TvT where his tactical brain gets him the edges.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
2027 Posts
September 17 2020 12:32 GMT
#312
Given how Special struggled to win his regional final and bombs out of GSL while Clem comes of his best result ever, I think Clem should be a narrow favourite to win.

His TvT is clearly not his best matchup, but he looked very solid taking out Soul 2-0 in the group stage, and he should have the clear confidence lead going into this.
Buff the siegetank
WTCO
Profile Joined September 2013
United States646 Posts
September 17 2020 13:46 GMT
#313
Sooooo does Probe have a chance of making even third place? Never seen any of his games.
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
September 17 2020 13:50 GMT
#314
On September 17 2020 22:46 WTCO wrote:
Sooooo does Probe have a chance of making even third place? Never seen any of his games.

I'd him about the same chance of beating Rogue as Seither beating Serral.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
September 17 2020 13:51 GMT
#315
On September 17 2020 22:46 WTCO wrote:
Sooooo does Probe have a chance of making even third place? Never seen any of his games.

He's unfortunately quite clearly the weakest out of the 16 players.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
2027 Posts
September 17 2020 13:54 GMT
#316
On September 17 2020 22:51 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2020 22:46 WTCO wrote:
Sooooo does Probe have a chance of making even third place? Never seen any of his games.

He's unfortunately quite clearly the weakest out of the 16 players.


Those guys are there because of their region, and the skill difference should be very clear.

He seems like a great guy, though, and by far the most solid SEA player.
Buff the siegetank
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
September 17 2020 14:06 GMT
#317
Let's go Juan! He has a shot against Clem.

The combination of heart + head gives me:
Rogue 2-0 Probe
Clem 2-1 SpeCial
Rogue 2-1 Clem
SpeCial 2-0 Probe
SpeCial 2-1 Clem
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-17 14:08:30
September 17 2020 14:07 GMT
#318
Eh, i am both rooting for Clem vs Rogue and suspect of it being victim to lag and other undesirable circumstances.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3562 Posts
September 17 2020 14:20 GMT
#319
There's a slight level difference here.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-17 14:22:42
September 17 2020 14:22 GMT
#320
On September 17 2020 23:20 darklycid wrote:
There's a slight level difference here.

Yeah, if Probe was Stats-level, he would probably cancel 5th before rolling over and dying, cough that damned GSL final.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
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