EPT[GSL 2020] Code S - Grand Finals - Page 17
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2467 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16126 Posts
Sure but how does lowering Baneling HP help Protoss at all? The primary thing that Banelings are used to kill in PvZ are Zealots and Adepts, neither unit has the range, DPS or micro capability to counter Banelings the way that Marines and Marauders do. So all you're doing by nerfing their HP is making them easier to kill with Storm, Collosus or Stalkers, and the difference there is minimal. The reason they don't nerf Baneling hit points is because it has a BIGGER impact in TvZ than in PvZ. The Pros already ran the numbers on this the last time it was proposed. It's a bigger change in the match up that doesn't need it. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16126 Posts
On August 15 2020 19:15 Whatson wrote: Wow, impressed that Stats was able to win a game Rogue totally outclassing He didn't really win that game so much as Rogue donated it to him. You can see for yourself though, it's a very short game. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7198 Posts
On August 15 2020 19:17 Vindicare605 wrote: Sure but how does lowering Baneling HP help Protoss at all? The primary thing that Banelings are used to kill in PvZ are Zealots and Adepts, neither unit has the range, DPS or micro capability to counter Banelings the way that Marines and Marauders do. So all you're doing by nerfing their HP is making them easier to kill with Storm, Collosus or Stalkers, and the difference there is minimal. The reason they don't nerf Baneling hit points is because it has a BIGGER impact in TvZ than in PvZ. The Pros already ran the numbers on this the last time it was proposed. It's a bigger change in the match up that doesn't need it. Would help more than useless damage nerfs | ||
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Arcanefrost
Belgium1257 Posts
This has been like this for years and years, design changes are needed. | ||
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Whatson
United States5357 Posts
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Luolis
Finland7198 Posts
On August 15 2020 19:19 Arcanefrost wrote: Pvz is just unwinnable for a macro player like stats at this level. The only way to win a series is by surprising the zerg, and only the likes of parting can pull that off. Stats is just not that kind of protoss, and his style doesn't work at all in top level pvz. This has been like this for years and years, design changes are needed. Blame lotv eco | ||
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Whatson
United States5357 Posts
On August 15 2020 19:18 Vindicare605 wrote: He didn't really win that game so much as Rogue donated it to him. You can see for yourself though, it's a very short game. A win's a win. Same way that game 5 was a win for Rogue. | ||
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serralfan18
99 Posts
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Crocolisk Dundee
870 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4967 Posts
On August 15 2020 19:24 Whatson wrote: A win's a win. Same way that game 5 was a win for Rogue. Rogue also intended to throw that game to shake up things a bit but he accidentally kill Stats. | ||
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machinus
United States292 Posts
On August 15 2020 19:25 serralfan18 wrote: Really great games! Dont let the 4-1 score fool you. These games were super close. Congrats to Rogue on another win! Not sure what stream you were watching. None of the games were close at all. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16126 Posts
On August 15 2020 19:32 machinus wrote: Not sure what stream you were watching. None of the games were close at all. Obvious troll is obvious. | ||
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machinus
United States292 Posts
Is it, though? :/ | ||
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Legan
Finland597 Posts
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On August 15 2020 19:06 Z3nith wrote: And we should just accept that? That every time a Protoss player goes into a grand finals vs Zerg there is a 90% chance that they will lose? Well it's unrealistic to think Blizz will invest in redesigning their game at this point. So yes, just accept that races work in a certain way and some players are so good they master the best race to a point it looks unbeatable. Stats playstyle will never beat player such as Rogue in The bo7. On the other hand, I rarely see Rogue win against aggro tosses like Parting and Zest in bo3. So is the game designed in a balanced way? Surely not. If all races just hold back and macro up Zerg will crush the other two with 200 supply against 150 in a couple of minutes. Is it fair? Probably not. Does the game allow all races to have a chance to win under certain circumstances? Yes. And I think that is the best we will ever gonna get | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On August 15 2020 19:37 Legan wrote: One thing I find funny is, how long so many of Zerg units have been over tuned making Zerg overpowered or imbalanced, while so many great or good Zerg players just failed to win, and only last year it became considered a problem after year of Serral. Like, what soO and Dark were doing during 2017 or 2018? If soO and Dark didn't choke they would have won more than anyone else. Hell by last year even they were picking up world championships. Also Rogue's year came before Serrals, and people complained about balance then as well, they just stopped when Serral became #1 zerg. | ||
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120720
95 Posts
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Andi_Goldberger
Germany1608 Posts
On August 15 2020 19:37 Legan wrote: One thing I find funny is, how long so many of Zerg units have been over tuned making Zerg overpowered or imbalanced, while so many great or good Zerg players just failed to win, and only last year it became considered a problem after year of Serral. Like, what soO and Dark were doing during 2017 or 2018? I think its mostly because back then protoss all ins actually still worked and there were multiple viable ones. Today we only have glaives and we all know how that bulid goes 90% of the time. | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On August 15 2020 19:15 swarminfestor wrote: It seems like the only way toss can win championship is to do not allow Rogue to reach the final. No more balance whining. So far in 2020, the only Protoss who won a Premier tournament, won the tournament because a Top Zerg wasn't present, and that's Neeb from ESL NA. Coincidence? I think not. At this point this isn't even balance whining, just spitting out facts | ||
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