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On March 02 2020 01:23 Nakajin wrote:
I'm rewatching it and Maru-Rogue g5 was a great game actually
I thought Maru's indecision about whether to attack or pullback cost him the game. He ended up splitting his army and that killed him.
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On March 02 2020 01:24 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 01:11 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2020 01:09 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2020 00:58 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2020 00:56 Nakajin wrote:On March 02 2020 00:52 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2020 00:46 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2020 00:39 Vindicare605 wrote:
I'm not upset with these results.
Zerg is too strong, the maps are STILL too Zerg favored, whatever you want to explain it with.
But Zest over Serral is tasty as hell. Rogue over Maru especially how the series went, is just more Jin Air on Jin Air violence that if the brackets were drawn up better might have been held in the finals instead of the semis. I firmly believe Rogue vs Maru was the ACTUAL final of the tournament.
Whatever though. The gap is wider. The gap is approximately the same looking at Katowice 2019 and, I repeat, there is nothing that would suggest that Rogue or Maru would have beaten Serral if he were drawn on their side of the bracket. Sure there is. 3-2 vs 4-1. The numbers don't lie.  That's not how it work lol. But Serral did seems to have a surprising weakness to protoss, even in the game against sOs it was really close. I would have been curious to see how Dark would have fair here, he has not loss a tournament in a non zvz since like Super tournament no1 when he lost to Gumi I think? What's ironic is that Serral also has a weakness vs Terran last year, or a weakness vs Reynor. Perhaps the explanation is even easier. Serral isn't the perfect player his stans like to pretend he is. He's actually just on a high level that high level Koreans can knock off at varying levels. He's at the GSL level where high level GSL players continously knock each other off of. More or less EXACTLY how I've been describing him for 2 years. You are both wrong and right. Since Katowice 2019, Serral has effectively been at top tier GSL level despite being at least more consistently good than any other player at that level(never below a ro8 in international tournament). At his peak in the second half of 2018, Serral was pretty much the perfect player you are describing: he literally won every single offline series he played(losing one online). Serral had no weakness to Terran, you are implying/suggesting he had because Maru 3-0d him months before Serral started winning everything but in reality Serral went 4-0 over Inno and Maru at GSL vs The World in 2018 and won a Terran heavy HSC over Inno. Both Inno AND TY beat him in 2019. In 2018 he never faced a high level Korean in the finals except ONE final vs TY. He rarely gets a chance to face top level Koreans in actual tournament finals. When he does, his record is barely better than 50-50 if its better than 50-50 at all. Your memory is at fault or maybe you think Stats in 2018 was not a high level korean, which would just be plain wrong; TY has never beaten Serral, too. Serral is 3-1 in Premier tournament finals against koreans(4-3 Stats, 4-2 Stats, 4-3 Inno in 2018 and 3-4 Inno in 2019) and you can add to this that he won HSC XIX against TY(it was a Major and they technically tied 3-3 since Serral started 1-0).
Read my post again, I edited it. I obviously was referring to Korean Terrans (hence my weakness vs Terran comment earlier.)
Serral can beat Stats. That's obvious. He's proven that. But he's won two tournaments off that result. Reminder that Stats died in the Ro12 of THIS tournament.
Just because Serral can beat Stats doesn't mean he can consistently beat the rest of the GSL elite.
As I've said before,again and again. I believe Serral is at that GSL elite level. He can compete. But nothing has shown me he can dominate consistently. He has the potential to be a GSL champ. But he hasn't proven it.
Those are the players he SHOULD be competing against. He only does it a couple times a year, and when he does, he only wins SOMETIMES, and usually with a favorable bracket or meta to help him.
If he wants to prove to me he's the best, he'd win in THEIR tournament. As of now, he's only defending home court, only winning in HIS tournaments, and even there, his record is 50-50.
Not convinced. He hasn't proven anything to me, and no GSL vs the World does not count. Those matches are show matches, and the Koreans treat them as such. Artosis knows it. I know it. It's obvious.
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On March 02 2020 01:15 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 01:12 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2020 01:07 parksonsc wrote:On March 02 2020 00:56 Nakajin wrote:On March 02 2020 00:52 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2020 00:46 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2020 00:39 Vindicare605 wrote:
I'm not upset with these results.
Zerg is too strong, the maps are STILL too Zerg favored, whatever you want to explain it with.
But Zest over Serral is tasty as hell. Rogue over Maru especially how the series went, is just more Jin Air on Jin Air violence that if the brackets were drawn up better might have been held in the finals instead of the semis. I firmly believe Rogue vs Maru was the ACTUAL final of the tournament.
Whatever though. The gap is wider. The gap is approximately the same looking at Katowice 2019 and, I repeat, there is nothing that would suggest that Rogue or Maru would have beaten Serral if he were drawn on their side of the bracket. Sure there is. 3-2 vs 4-1. The numbers don't lie. That's not how it work lol. But Serral did seems to have a surprising weakness to protoss, even in the game against sOs it was really close. I would have been curious to see how Dark would have fair here, he has not loss a tournament in a non zvz since like Super tournament no1 when he lost to Gumi I think? Edit: Yep, he's still on a 11 winning streak against non zerg in bo5+ both Rogue and Dark are far superior than Serral in ZvP In ZvT Dark is surely GOAT while Serral's and Rogue's are arguable ZvZ base on how they played in the last few months, i think Rogue > Dark ~ Serral Serral's ZvP appeared inferior in this Katowice. Dark's ZvT was not tested(usually he is the best) while Serral's seemed better than Rogue. You are severely overestimating Dark's ZvZ as usual, and definitely underestimating Serral's ZvZ. At this tournament, Serral would have lost to Rogue, Dark, Reynor, soO, Armani, Solar, and Elazer in ZvZ. Had Lambo made the playoff stage and faced Serral, he'd have won the rematch as well. You have no way of proving me wrong.
And you have no way to prove this, either.
We could resort to statistics and find out that, beyond your delusion, ZvZ sent Dark out of BlizzCon 2018, WESG 2019, Code S S2 2019 and Katowice 2020; his weakest matchup, by far, not even mentioning Serral beat them three times after 2017.
We would also find out the last time Serral lost a ZvZ to anyone else than Reynor was one year ago against soO, and that he leads 3-0 over Rogue in H2H.
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On March 02 2020 01:28 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 01:24 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2020 01:11 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2020 01:09 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2020 00:58 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2020 00:56 Nakajin wrote:On March 02 2020 00:52 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2020 00:46 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2020 00:39 Vindicare605 wrote:
I'm not upset with these results.
Zerg is too strong, the maps are STILL too Zerg favored, whatever you want to explain it with.
But Zest over Serral is tasty as hell. Rogue over Maru especially how the series went, is just more Jin Air on Jin Air violence that if the brackets were drawn up better might have been held in the finals instead of the semis. I firmly believe Rogue vs Maru was the ACTUAL final of the tournament.
Whatever though. The gap is wider. The gap is approximately the same looking at Katowice 2019 and, I repeat, there is nothing that would suggest that Rogue or Maru would have beaten Serral if he were drawn on their side of the bracket. Sure there is. 3-2 vs 4-1. The numbers don't lie. That's not how it work lol. But Serral did seems to have a surprising weakness to protoss, even in the game against sOs it was really close. I would have been curious to see how Dark would have fair here, he has not loss a tournament in a non zvz since like Super tournament no1 when he lost to Gumi I think? What's ironic is that Serral also has a weakness vs Terran last year, or a weakness vs Reynor. Perhaps the explanation is even easier. Serral isn't the perfect player his stans like to pretend he is. He's actually just on a high level that high level Koreans can knock off at varying levels. He's at the GSL level where high level GSL players continously knock each other off of. More or less EXACTLY how I've been describing him for 2 years. You are both wrong and right. Since Katowice 2019, Serral has effectively been at top tier GSL level despite being at least more consistently good than any other player at that level(never below a ro8 in international tournament). At his peak in the second half of 2018, Serral was pretty much the perfect player you are describing: he literally won every single offline series he played(losing one online). Serral had no weakness to Terran, you are implying/suggesting he had because Maru 3-0d him months before Serral started winning everything but in reality Serral went 4-0 over Inno and Maru at GSL vs The World in 2018 and won a Terran heavy HSC over Inno. Both Inno AND TY beat him in 2019. In 2018 he never faced a high level Korean in the finals except ONE final vs TY. He rarely gets a chance to face top level Koreans in actual tournament finals. When he does, his record is barely better than 50-50 if its better than 50-50 at all. Your memory is at fault or maybe you think Stats in 2018 was not a high level korean, which would just be plain wrong; TY has never beaten Serral, too. Serral is 3-1 in Premier tournament finals against koreans(4-3 Stats, 4-2 Stats, 4-3 Inno in 2018 and 3-4 Inno in 2019) and you can add to this that he won HSC XIX against TY(it was a Major and they technically tied 3-3 since Serral started 1-0). Read my post again, I edited it. I obviously was referring to Korean Terrans (hence my weakness vs Terran comment earlier.) Serral can beat Stats. That's obvious. He's proven that. But he's won two tournaments off that result. Reminder that Stats died in the Ro12 of THIS tournament. Just because Serral can beat Stats doesn't mean he can consistently beat the rest of the GSL elite. As I've said before,again and again. I believe Serral is at that GSL elite level. He can compete. But nothing has shown me he can dominate consistently. He has the potential to be a GSL champ. But he hasn't proven it. Those are the players he SHOULD be competing against. He only does it a couple times a year, and when he does, he only wins SOMETIMES, and usually with a favorable bracket or meta to help him. If he wants to prove to me he's the best, he'd win in THEIR tournament. As of now, he's only defending home court, only winning in HIS tournaments, and even there, his record is 50-50. Not convinced. He hasn't proven anything to me, and no GSL vs the World does not count. Those matches are show matches, and the Koreans treat them as such. Artosis knows it. I know it. It's obvious.
I don't know how anyone can disagree with this. Serral is up there, doesn't mean he'd constantly beat everyone in GSL.
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Canada8988 Posts
On March 02 2020 01:28 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 01:24 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2020 01:11 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2020 01:09 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2020 00:58 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2020 00:56 Nakajin wrote:On March 02 2020 00:52 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2020 00:46 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2020 00:39 Vindicare605 wrote:
I'm not upset with these results.
Zerg is too strong, the maps are STILL too Zerg favored, whatever you want to explain it with.
But Zest over Serral is tasty as hell. Rogue over Maru especially how the series went, is just more Jin Air on Jin Air violence that if the brackets were drawn up better might have been held in the finals instead of the semis. I firmly believe Rogue vs Maru was the ACTUAL final of the tournament.
Whatever though. The gap is wider. The gap is approximately the same looking at Katowice 2019 and, I repeat, there is nothing that would suggest that Rogue or Maru would have beaten Serral if he were drawn on their side of the bracket. Sure there is. 3-2 vs 4-1. The numbers don't lie. That's not how it work lol. But Serral did seems to have a surprising weakness to protoss, even in the game against sOs it was really close. I would have been curious to see how Dark would have fair here, he has not loss a tournament in a non zvz since like Super tournament no1 when he lost to Gumi I think? What's ironic is that Serral also has a weakness vs Terran last year, or a weakness vs Reynor. Perhaps the explanation is even easier. Serral isn't the perfect player his stans like to pretend he is. He's actually just on a high level that high level Koreans can knock off at varying levels. He's at the GSL level where high level GSL players continously knock each other off of. More or less EXACTLY how I've been describing him for 2 years. You are both wrong and right. Since Katowice 2019, Serral has effectively been at top tier GSL level despite being at least more consistently good than any other player at that level(never below a ro8 in international tournament). At his peak in the second half of 2018, Serral was pretty much the perfect player you are describing: he literally won every single offline series he played(losing one online). Serral had no weakness to Terran, you are implying/suggesting he had because Maru 3-0d him months before Serral started winning everything but in reality Serral went 4-0 over Inno and Maru at GSL vs The World in 2018 and won a Terran heavy HSC over Inno. Both Inno AND TY beat him in 2019. In 2018 he never faced a high level Korean in the finals except ONE final vs TY. He rarely gets a chance to face top level Koreans in actual tournament finals. When he does, his record is barely better than 50-50 if its better than 50-50 at all. Your memory is at fault or maybe you think Stats in 2018 was not a high level korean, which would just be plain wrong; TY has never beaten Serral, too. Serral is 3-1 in Premier tournament finals against koreans(4-3 Stats, 4-2 Stats, 4-3 Inno in 2018 and 3-4 Inno in 2019) and you can add to this that he won HSC XIX against TY(it was a Major and they technically tied 3-3 since Serral started 1-0). Not convinced. He hasn't proven anything to me, and no GSL vs the World does not count. Those matches are show matches, and the Koreans treat them as such. Artosis knows it. I know it. It's obvious.
What? Why? How? It's a 25K tournament, 80K total, that's ST money, what kind of showmatch is that.
Even if it was the case first there's no reason why foreigner would take it seriously and not the korean, and no 2 it's their own bloody stupidity if it's the case.
Anyway overall I agree, Serral is among the best player in the world, he's not head an shoulder above the rest, same goes for Dark and Rogue.
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On March 02 2020 01:34 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 01:28 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2020 01:24 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2020 01:11 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2020 01:09 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2020 00:58 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2020 00:56 Nakajin wrote:On March 02 2020 00:52 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2020 00:46 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2020 00:39 Vindicare605 wrote:
I'm not upset with these results.
Zerg is too strong, the maps are STILL too Zerg favored, whatever you want to explain it with.
But Zest over Serral is tasty as hell. Rogue over Maru especially how the series went, is just more Jin Air on Jin Air violence that if the brackets were drawn up better might have been held in the finals instead of the semis. I firmly believe Rogue vs Maru was the ACTUAL final of the tournament.
Whatever though. The gap is wider. The gap is approximately the same looking at Katowice 2019 and, I repeat, there is nothing that would suggest that Rogue or Maru would have beaten Serral if he were drawn on their side of the bracket. Sure there is. 3-2 vs 4-1. The numbers don't lie. That's not how it work lol. But Serral did seems to have a surprising weakness to protoss, even in the game against sOs it was really close. I would have been curious to see how Dark would have fair here, he has not loss a tournament in a non zvz since like Super tournament no1 when he lost to Gumi I think? What's ironic is that Serral also has a weakness vs Terran last year, or a weakness vs Reynor. Perhaps the explanation is even easier. Serral isn't the perfect player his stans like to pretend he is. He's actually just on a high level that high level Koreans can knock off at varying levels. He's at the GSL level where high level GSL players continously knock each other off of. More or less EXACTLY how I've been describing him for 2 years. You are both wrong and right. Since Katowice 2019, Serral has effectively been at top tier GSL level despite being at least more consistently good than any other player at that level(never below a ro8 in international tournament). At his peak in the second half of 2018, Serral was pretty much the perfect player you are describing: he literally won every single offline series he played(losing one online). Serral had no weakness to Terran, you are implying/suggesting he had because Maru 3-0d him months before Serral started winning everything but in reality Serral went 4-0 over Inno and Maru at GSL vs The World in 2018 and won a Terran heavy HSC over Inno. Both Inno AND TY beat him in 2019. In 2018 he never faced a high level Korean in the finals except ONE final vs TY. He rarely gets a chance to face top level Koreans in actual tournament finals. When he does, his record is barely better than 50-50 if its better than 50-50 at all. Your memory is at fault or maybe you think Stats in 2018 was not a high level korean, which would just be plain wrong; TY has never beaten Serral, too. Serral is 3-1 in Premier tournament finals against koreans(4-3 Stats, 4-2 Stats, 4-3 Inno in 2018 and 3-4 Inno in 2019) and you can add to this that he won HSC XIX against TY(it was a Major and they technically tied 3-3 since Serral started 1-0). Not convinced. He hasn't proven anything to me, and no GSL vs the World does not count. Those matches are show matches, and the Koreans treat them as such. Artosis knows it. I know it. It's obvious. What? Why? How? It's a 25K tournament, 80K total, that's ST money, what kind of showmatch is that. Even if it was the case first there's no reason why foreigner would take it seriously and not the korean, and no 2 it's their own bloody stupidity if it's the case
It isn't completely absurd to consider an invitational tournament to be a show match.
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On March 02 2020 01:34 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 01:28 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2020 01:24 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2020 01:11 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2020 01:09 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2020 00:58 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2020 00:56 Nakajin wrote:On March 02 2020 00:52 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2020 00:46 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2020 00:39 Vindicare605 wrote:
I'm not upset with these results.
Zerg is too strong, the maps are STILL too Zerg favored, whatever you want to explain it with.
But Zest over Serral is tasty as hell. Rogue over Maru especially how the series went, is just more Jin Air on Jin Air violence that if the brackets were drawn up better might have been held in the finals instead of the semis. I firmly believe Rogue vs Maru was the ACTUAL final of the tournament.
Whatever though. The gap is wider. The gap is approximately the same looking at Katowice 2019 and, I repeat, there is nothing that would suggest that Rogue or Maru would have beaten Serral if he were drawn on their side of the bracket. Sure there is. 3-2 vs 4-1. The numbers don't lie. That's not how it work lol. But Serral did seems to have a surprising weakness to protoss, even in the game against sOs it was really close. I would have been curious to see how Dark would have fair here, he has not loss a tournament in a non zvz since like Super tournament no1 when he lost to Gumi I think? What's ironic is that Serral also has a weakness vs Terran last year, or a weakness vs Reynor. Perhaps the explanation is even easier. Serral isn't the perfect player his stans like to pretend he is. He's actually just on a high level that high level Koreans can knock off at varying levels. He's at the GSL level where high level GSL players continously knock each other off of. More or less EXACTLY how I've been describing him for 2 years. You are both wrong and right. Since Katowice 2019, Serral has effectively been at top tier GSL level despite being at least more consistently good than any other player at that level(never below a ro8 in international tournament). At his peak in the second half of 2018, Serral was pretty much the perfect player you are describing: he literally won every single offline series he played(losing one online). Serral had no weakness to Terran, you are implying/suggesting he had because Maru 3-0d him months before Serral started winning everything but in reality Serral went 4-0 over Inno and Maru at GSL vs The World in 2018 and won a Terran heavy HSC over Inno. Both Inno AND TY beat him in 2019. In 2018 he never faced a high level Korean in the finals except ONE final vs TY. He rarely gets a chance to face top level Koreans in actual tournament finals. When he does, his record is barely better than 50-50 if its better than 50-50 at all. Your memory is at fault or maybe you think Stats in 2018 was not a high level korean, which would just be plain wrong; TY has never beaten Serral, too. Serral is 3-1 in Premier tournament finals against koreans(4-3 Stats, 4-2 Stats, 4-3 Inno in 2018 and 3-4 Inno in 2019) and you can add to this that he won HSC XIX against TY(it was a Major and they technically tied 3-3 since Serral started 1-0). Not convinced. He hasn't proven anything to me, and no GSL vs the World does not count. Those matches are show matches, and the Koreans treat them as such. Artosis knows it. I know it. It's obvious. What? Why? How? Even if it was the case first there's no reason why foreigner would take it seriously and not the korean, and no 2 it's their own bloody stupidity if it's the case
I can't explain WHY they don't treat it seriously, I would prefer it if they did, but they don't.
Go back and watch the VODs of those tournaments and read their body language. They don't treat those games seriously.
I have theories as to why, the timing of the tournaments usually takes place RIGHT AFTER Code S finals, when the players would be either practicing or celebrating (aka Dark last year), every player gets paid JUST to show up which might limit their motivation to practice hard, there's a fan vote to determine who gets in (which means players below the top level get voted in) which adds to its showmatch aesthetic.
It feels and behaves like an all star game, and American sports showcase again and again all the time that athletes don't take THOSE seriously either.
I don't like that it's like that, but I acknowledge readily, that it's the reality of the situation, and thus not worth much.
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Congrats Rogue. He doesn't get enough credit around here considering all the big tournaments he wins.
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On March 02 2020 01:40 kaykoose wrote:
Congrats Rogue. He doesn't get enough credit around here considering all the big tournaments he wins.
He is a good player, very "clutch". But for some reason he isn't high on my favorites chart. Of the 4 players from today's matches I wanted him to win the least.
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Canada8988 Posts
On March 02 2020 01:45 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 01:40 kaykoose wrote:
Congrats Rogue. He doesn't get enough credit around here considering all the big tournaments he wins. He is a good player, very "clutch". But for some reason he isn't high on my favorites chart. Of the 4 players from today's matches I wanted him to win the least.
He has to be the player with the lowest succes-fan ratio since like Classic before 2019
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On March 02 2020 01:45 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 01:40 kaykoose wrote:
Congrats Rogue. He doesn't get enough credit around here considering all the big tournaments he wins. He is a good player, very "clutch". But for some reason he isn't high on my favorites chart. Of the 4 players from today's matches I wanted him to win the least.
It's probably just his style. Rogue isn't very flashy. He always wins in very standard ways. He doesn't have a trademark aggressive build like Reynor, soO, Life or Dark.
He just wins with consistent macro Zerg play.
He reminds me a lot of Tim Duncan, a legendary basketball pro, in that way. He's consistent, he's strong, but he doesn't win a lot of fan support with his play outside of his die hard fanbase.
Even I wasn't a fan of his until I embraced being a Jin Air fan and that was due to Maru and sOs not him.
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On March 02 2020 01:49 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 01:45 Penev wrote:On March 02 2020 01:40 kaykoose wrote:
Congrats Rogue. He doesn't get enough credit around here considering all the big tournaments he wins. He is a good player, very "clutch". But for some reason he isn't high on my favorites chart. Of the 4 players from today's matches I wanted him to win the least. He has to be the player with the lowest succes-fan ratio since like Classic before 2019
Classic suffered more from people not realizing how good he was, with Rogue it's more that people know but don't care it seems.
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On March 02 2020 01:52 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 01:45 Penev wrote:On March 02 2020 01:40 kaykoose wrote:
Congrats Rogue. He doesn't get enough credit around here considering all the big tournaments he wins. He is a good player, very "clutch". But for some reason he isn't high on my favorites chart. Of the 4 players from today's matches I wanted him to win the least. It's probably just his style. Rogue isn't very flashy. He always wins in very standard ways. He doesn't have a trademark aggressive build like Reynor, soO, Life or Dark. He just wins with consistent macro Zerg play. He reminds me a lot of Tim Duncan, a legendary basketball pro, in that way. He's consistent, he's strong, but he doesn't win a lot of fan support with his play outside of his die hard fanbase. Even I wasn't a fan of his until I embraced being a Jin Air fan and that was due to Maru and sOs not him.
Did we just watch the same finals?
Have we not watched the same games over the last few years?
Serral is boring as hell because he plays defensive macro while taking advantage of the fact that ling attacks are infinitely harder to defend than execute.
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On March 02 2020 01:53 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 01:49 Nakajin wrote:On March 02 2020 01:45 Penev wrote:On March 02 2020 01:40 kaykoose wrote:
Congrats Rogue. He doesn't get enough credit around here considering all the big tournaments he wins. He is a good player, very "clutch". But for some reason he isn't high on my favorites chart. Of the 4 players from today's matches I wanted him to win the least. He has to be the player with the lowest succes-fan ratio since like Classic before 2019 Classic suffered more from people not realizing how good he was, with Rogue it's more that people know but don't care it seems.
maybe because he abuses zerg options to the max, which leads to non zergs being not particualry fond of his games :D
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On March 02 2020 01:59 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 01:53 Penev wrote:On March 02 2020 01:49 Nakajin wrote:On March 02 2020 01:45 Penev wrote:On March 02 2020 01:40 kaykoose wrote:
Congrats Rogue. He doesn't get enough credit around here considering all the big tournaments he wins. He is a good player, very "clutch". But for some reason he isn't high on my favorites chart. Of the 4 players from today's matches I wanted him to win the least. He has to be the player with the lowest succes-fan ratio since like Classic before 2019 Classic suffered more from people not realizing how good he was, with Rogue it's more that people know but don't care it seems. maybe because he abuses zerg options to the max, which leads to non zergs being not particualry fond of his games :D
yeah the patch zerg thing is not helping him for sure :p
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Northern Ireland23828 Posts
On March 02 2020 01:52 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 01:45 Penev wrote:On March 02 2020 01:40 kaykoose wrote:
Congrats Rogue. He doesn't get enough credit around here considering all the big tournaments he wins. He is a good player, very "clutch". But for some reason he isn't high on my favorites chart. Of the 4 players from today's matches I wanted him to win the least. It's probably just his style. Rogue isn't very flashy. He always wins in very standard ways. He doesn't have a trademark aggressive build like Reynor, soO, Life or Dark. He just wins with consistent macro Zerg play. He reminds me a lot of Tim Duncan, a legendary basketball pro, in that way. He's consistent, he's strong, but he doesn't win a lot of fan support with his play outside of his die hard fanbase. Even I wasn't a fan of his until I embraced being a Jin Air fan and that was due to Maru and sOs not him.
He gives some decent interviews the odd one I’ve listened to.
It’ll be an intriguing year between the three (IMO) best Zergs in Serral, Rogue and Dark. Quite excited for them to duke it out a bit more.
Have very little to go on, early in the season really. Serral’s ZvP looked more shaky than I recall it being in a while, although ZvT was pretty good. Dark still a bit shaky against top ZvZers as has been the case for a while.
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On March 02 2020 01:58 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 01:52 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2020 01:45 Penev wrote:On March 02 2020 01:40 kaykoose wrote:
Congrats Rogue. He doesn't get enough credit around here considering all the big tournaments he wins. He is a good player, very "clutch". But for some reason he isn't high on my favorites chart. Of the 4 players from today's matches I wanted him to win the least. It's probably just his style. Rogue isn't very flashy. He always wins in very standard ways. He doesn't have a trademark aggressive build like Reynor, soO, Life or Dark. He just wins with consistent macro Zerg play. He reminds me a lot of Tim Duncan, a legendary basketball pro, in that way. He's consistent, he's strong, but he doesn't win a lot of fan support with his play outside of his die hard fanbase. Even I wasn't a fan of his until I embraced being a Jin Air fan and that was due to Maru and sOs not him. Did we just watch the same finals? Have we not watched the same games over the last few years? Serral is boring as hell because he plays defensive macro while taking advantage of the fact that ling attacks are infinitely harder to defend than execute.
I didn't mention Serral in this post on purpose. Don't use him to counter my argument.
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On March 02 2020 02:00 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 01:59 darklycid wrote:On March 02 2020 01:53 Penev wrote:On March 02 2020 01:49 Nakajin wrote:On March 02 2020 01:45 Penev wrote:On March 02 2020 01:40 kaykoose wrote:
Congrats Rogue. He doesn't get enough credit around here considering all the big tournaments he wins. He is a good player, very "clutch". But for some reason he isn't high on my favorites chart. Of the 4 players from today's matches I wanted him to win the least. He has to be the player with the lowest succes-fan ratio since like Classic before 2019 Classic suffered more from people not realizing how good he was, with Rogue it's more that people know but don't care it seems. maybe because he abuses zerg options to the max, which leads to non zergs being not particualry fond of his games :D yeah the patch zerg thing is not helping him for sure :p
The thing is he abuses strategies but doesn't have the charisma to be lovable while doing it like sOs does. He's like a better zerg version of herO who didn't have a massive amount of fans outside of Protoss players.
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On March 02 2020 02:01 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 01:52 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2020 01:45 Penev wrote:On March 02 2020 01:40 kaykoose wrote:
Congrats Rogue. He doesn't get enough credit around here considering all the big tournaments he wins. He is a good player, very "clutch". But for some reason he isn't high on my favorites chart. Of the 4 players from today's matches I wanted him to win the least. It's probably just his style. Rogue isn't very flashy. He always wins in very standard ways. He doesn't have a trademark aggressive build like Reynor, soO, Life or Dark. He just wins with consistent macro Zerg play. He reminds me a lot of Tim Duncan, a legendary basketball pro, in that way. He's consistent, he's strong, but he doesn't win a lot of fan support with his play outside of his die hard fanbase. Even I wasn't a fan of his until I embraced being a Jin Air fan and that was due to Maru and sOs not him. He gives some decent interviews the odd one I’ve listened to. It’ll be an intriguing year between the three (IMO) best Zergs in Serral, Rogue and Dark. Quite excited for them to duke it out a bit more. Have very little to go on, early in the season really. Serral’s ZvP looked more shaky than I recall it being in a while, although ZvT was pretty good. Dark still a bit shaky against top ZvZers as has been the case for a while.
It's best for both Dark's and my health if he doesn't face Rogue anymore :/
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