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Canada8989 Posts
On March 02 2020 00:52 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 00:46 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2020 00:39 Vindicare605 wrote:
I'm not upset with these results.
Zerg is too strong, the maps are STILL too Zerg favored, whatever you want to explain it with.
But Zest over Serral is tasty as hell. Rogue over Maru especially how the series went, is just more Jin Air on Jin Air violence that if the brackets were drawn up better might have been held in the finals instead of the semis. I firmly believe Rogue vs Maru was the ACTUAL final of the tournament.
Whatever though. The gap is wider. The gap is approximately the same looking at Katowice 2019 and, I repeat, there is nothing that would suggest that Rogue or Maru would have beaten Serral if he were drawn on their side of the bracket. Sure there is. 3-2 vs 4-1. The numbers don't lie. 
That's not how it work lol.
But Serral did seems to have a surprising weakness to protoss, even in the game against sOs it was really close.
I would have been curious to see how Dark would have fair here, he has not loss a tournament in a non zvz since like Super tournament no1 when he lost to Gumi I think?
Edit: Yep, he's still on a 11 winning streak against non zerg in bo5+
Re-edit: Dark has not been eliminated of a tournament by a terran not name Gumiho since mars 2018 wtf
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On March 02 2020 00:56 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 00:52 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2020 00:46 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2020 00:39 Vindicare605 wrote:
I'm not upset with these results.
Zerg is too strong, the maps are STILL too Zerg favored, whatever you want to explain it with.
But Zest over Serral is tasty as hell. Rogue over Maru especially how the series went, is just more Jin Air on Jin Air violence that if the brackets were drawn up better might have been held in the finals instead of the semis. I firmly believe Rogue vs Maru was the ACTUAL final of the tournament.
Whatever though. The gap is wider. The gap is approximately the same looking at Katowice 2019 and, I repeat, there is nothing that would suggest that Rogue or Maru would have beaten Serral if he were drawn on their side of the bracket. Sure there is. 3-2 vs 4-1. The numbers don't lie. That's not how it work lol. But Serral did seems to have a surprising weakness to protoss, even in the game against sOs it was really close. I would have been curious to see how Dark would have fair here, he has not loss a tournament in a non zvz since like Super tournament no1 when he lost to Gumi I think?
What's ironic is that Serral also has a weakness vs Terran last year, or a weakness vs Reynor.
Perhaps the explanation is even easier. Serral isn't the perfect player his stans like to pretend he is. He's actually just on a high level that high level Koreans can knock off at varying levels. He's at the GSL level where high level GSL players continously knock each other off of.
More or less EXACTLY how I've been describing him for 2 years.
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On March 02 2020 00:54 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 00:46 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2020 00:39 Vindicare605 wrote:
I'm not upset with these results.
Zerg is too strong, the maps are STILL too Zerg favored, whatever you want to explain it with.
But Zest over Serral is tasty as hell. Rogue over Maru especially how the series went, is just more Jin Air on Jin Air violence that if the brackets were drawn up better might have been held in the finals instead of the semis. I firmly believe Rogue vs Maru was the ACTUAL final of the tournament.
Whatever though. The gap is wider. The gap is approximately the same looking at Katowice 2019 and, I repeat, there is nothing that would suggest that Rogue or Maru would have beaten Serral if he were drawn on their side of the bracket. Rogue's ZvZ record at the tournament was 4-0 in series and 9-0 in maps.
And how would this suggest that he can beat the best ZvZ player, Serral? This just shows that Rogue has a very strong ZvZ.
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On March 02 2020 00:49 parksonsc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2020 23:12 swarminfestor wrote:
No one can beat Rogue's Bo7 record now. has Rogue lost any bo7 yet?
Never in offline tournaments if I could remember.
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On March 02 2020 01:00 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 00:54 Boggyb wrote:On March 02 2020 00:46 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2020 00:39 Vindicare605 wrote:
I'm not upset with these results.
Zerg is too strong, the maps are STILL too Zerg favored, whatever you want to explain it with.
But Zest over Serral is tasty as hell. Rogue over Maru especially how the series went, is just more Jin Air on Jin Air violence that if the brackets were drawn up better might have been held in the finals instead of the semis. I firmly believe Rogue vs Maru was the ACTUAL final of the tournament.
Whatever though. The gap is wider. The gap is approximately the same looking at Katowice 2019 and, I repeat, there is nothing that would suggest that Rogue or Maru would have beaten Serral if he were drawn on their side of the bracket. Rogue's ZvZ record at the tournament was 4-0 in series and 9-0 in maps. And how would this suggest that he can beat the best ZvZ player, Serral? This just shows that Rogue has a very strong ZvZ.
Citation on Serral being the best ZvZ player?
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On March 02 2020 01:03 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 01:00 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2020 00:54 Boggyb wrote:On March 02 2020 00:46 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2020 00:39 Vindicare605 wrote:
I'm not upset with these results.
Zerg is too strong, the maps are STILL too Zerg favored, whatever you want to explain it with.
But Zest over Serral is tasty as hell. Rogue over Maru especially how the series went, is just more Jin Air on Jin Air violence that if the brackets were drawn up better might have been held in the finals instead of the semis. I firmly believe Rogue vs Maru was the ACTUAL final of the tournament.
Whatever though. The gap is wider. The gap is approximately the same looking at Katowice 2019 and, I repeat, there is nothing that would suggest that Rogue or Maru would have beaten Serral if he were drawn on their side of the bracket. Rogue's ZvZ record at the tournament was 4-0 in series and 9-0 in maps. And how would this suggest that he can beat the best ZvZ player, Serral? This just shows that Rogue has a very strong ZvZ. Citation on Serral being the best ZvZ player?
It's Xianon he doesn't provide citations. He's one of the stans I was referring to in my post.
He has an excuse for every Serral loss. Serral died in last year's Blizzcon Ro4, and THAT tournament was basically a ZvZ tournament.
Reynor beat him, and Reynor couldn't even make it out of the groups of this tournament, yet he'd claim that he's the best ZvZ in the world. LOL. Like really?
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Canada8989 Posts
On March 02 2020 01:00 swarminfestor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 00:49 parksonsc wrote:On March 01 2020 23:12 swarminfestor wrote:
No one can beat Rogue's Bo7 record now. has Rogue lost any bo7 yet? Never in offline tournaments if I could remember.
He's currently 7-0 in offline bo7
He also has only been pushed to tournament match once (vs herO is ST2 in 2017)
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Watching game 4 of Maru vs Rogue and something needs to be done about Queens. They're too good of a unit all around. Marine-Marauder-Medivac-Tanks couldn't break through the Queens and Roaches was weird. I thought Maru handled and controlled his units fairly well.
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On March 02 2020 00:56 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 00:52 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2020 00:46 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2020 00:39 Vindicare605 wrote:
I'm not upset with these results.
Zerg is too strong, the maps are STILL too Zerg favored, whatever you want to explain it with.
But Zest over Serral is tasty as hell. Rogue over Maru especially how the series went, is just more Jin Air on Jin Air violence that if the brackets were drawn up better might have been held in the finals instead of the semis. I firmly believe Rogue vs Maru was the ACTUAL final of the tournament.
Whatever though. The gap is wider. The gap is approximately the same looking at Katowice 2019 and, I repeat, there is nothing that would suggest that Rogue or Maru would have beaten Serral if he were drawn on their side of the bracket. Sure there is. 3-2 vs 4-1. The numbers don't lie. That's not how it work lol. But Serral did seems to have a surprising weakness to protoss, even in the game against sOs it was really close. I would have been curious to see how Dark would have fair here, he has not loss a tournament in a non zvz since like Super tournament no1 when he lost to Gumi I think? Edit: Yep, he's still on a 11 winning streak against non zerg in bo5+
both Rogue and Dark are far superior than Serral in ZvP
In ZvT Dark is surely GOAT while Serral's and Rogue's are arguable
ZvZ base on how they played in the last few months, i think Rogue > Dark ~ Serral
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On March 02 2020 00:58 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 00:56 Nakajin wrote:On March 02 2020 00:52 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2020 00:46 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2020 00:39 Vindicare605 wrote:
I'm not upset with these results.
Zerg is too strong, the maps are STILL too Zerg favored, whatever you want to explain it with.
But Zest over Serral is tasty as hell. Rogue over Maru especially how the series went, is just more Jin Air on Jin Air violence that if the brackets were drawn up better might have been held in the finals instead of the semis. I firmly believe Rogue vs Maru was the ACTUAL final of the tournament.
Whatever though. The gap is wider. The gap is approximately the same looking at Katowice 2019 and, I repeat, there is nothing that would suggest that Rogue or Maru would have beaten Serral if he were drawn on their side of the bracket. Sure there is. 3-2 vs 4-1. The numbers don't lie. That's not how it work lol. But Serral did seems to have a surprising weakness to protoss, even in the game against sOs it was really close. I would have been curious to see how Dark would have fair here, he has not loss a tournament in a non zvz since like Super tournament no1 when he lost to Gumi I think? What's ironic is that Serral also has a weakness vs Terran last year, or a weakness vs Reynor. Perhaps the explanation is even easier. Serral isn't the perfect player his stans like to pretend he is. He's actually just on a high level that high level Koreans can knock off at varying levels. He's at the GSL level where high level GSL players continously knock each other off of. More or less EXACTLY how I've been describing him for 2 years.
You are both wrong and right.
Since Katowice 2019, Serral has effectively been at top tier GSL level despite being at least more consistently good than any other player at that level(never below a ro8 in international tournament).
At his peak in the second half of 2018, Serral was pretty much the perfect player you are describing: he literally won every single offline series he played(losing one online).
Serral had no weakness to Terran, you are implying/suggesting he had because Maru 3-0d him months before Serral started winning everything but in reality Serral went 4-0 over Inno and Maru at GSL vs The World in 2018 and won a Terran heavy HSC over Inno.
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On March 02 2020 01:07 parksonsc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 00:56 Nakajin wrote:On March 02 2020 00:52 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2020 00:46 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2020 00:39 Vindicare605 wrote:
I'm not upset with these results.
Zerg is too strong, the maps are STILL too Zerg favored, whatever you want to explain it with.
But Zest over Serral is tasty as hell. Rogue over Maru especially how the series went, is just more Jin Air on Jin Air violence that if the brackets were drawn up better might have been held in the finals instead of the semis. I firmly believe Rogue vs Maru was the ACTUAL final of the tournament.
Whatever though. The gap is wider. The gap is approximately the same looking at Katowice 2019 and, I repeat, there is nothing that would suggest that Rogue or Maru would have beaten Serral if he were drawn on their side of the bracket. Sure there is. 3-2 vs 4-1. The numbers don't lie. That's not how it work lol. But Serral did seems to have a surprising weakness to protoss, even in the game against sOs it was really close. I would have been curious to see how Dark would have fair here, he has not loss a tournament in a non zvz since like Super tournament no1 when he lost to Gumi I think? Edit: Yep, he's still on a 11 winning streak against non zerg in bo5+ both Rogue and Dark are far superior than Serral in ZvP In ZvT Dark is surely GOAT while Serral's and Rogue's are arguable ZvZ base on how they played in the last few months, i think Rogue > Dark ~ Serral
Dark absolutely has the best ZvT in the world. He makes that match up look completely hopeless. Dark had superior ZvT even before Zerg had an advantage in the match up.
He can play every style, and even a few that most other Zergs don't even try.
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On March 02 2020 01:09 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 00:58 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2020 00:56 Nakajin wrote:On March 02 2020 00:52 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2020 00:46 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2020 00:39 Vindicare605 wrote:
I'm not upset with these results.
Zerg is too strong, the maps are STILL too Zerg favored, whatever you want to explain it with.
But Zest over Serral is tasty as hell. Rogue over Maru especially how the series went, is just more Jin Air on Jin Air violence that if the brackets were drawn up better might have been held in the finals instead of the semis. I firmly believe Rogue vs Maru was the ACTUAL final of the tournament.
Whatever though. The gap is wider. The gap is approximately the same looking at Katowice 2019 and, I repeat, there is nothing that would suggest that Rogue or Maru would have beaten Serral if he were drawn on their side of the bracket. Sure there is. 3-2 vs 4-1. The numbers don't lie. That's not how it work lol. But Serral did seems to have a surprising weakness to protoss, even in the game against sOs it was really close. I would have been curious to see how Dark would have fair here, he has not loss a tournament in a non zvz since like Super tournament no1 when he lost to Gumi I think? What's ironic is that Serral also has a weakness vs Terran last year, or a weakness vs Reynor. Perhaps the explanation is even easier. Serral isn't the perfect player his stans like to pretend he is. He's actually just on a high level that high level Koreans can knock off at varying levels. He's at the GSL level where high level GSL players continously knock each other off of. More or less EXACTLY how I've been describing him for 2 years. You are both wrong and right. Since Katowice 2019, Serral has effectively been at top tier GSL level despite being at least more consistently good than any other player at that level(never below a ro8 in international tournament). At his peak in the second half of 2018, Serral was pretty much the perfect player you are describing: he literally won every single offline series he played(losing one online). Serral had no weakness to Terran, you are implying/suggesting he had because Maru 3-0d him months before Serral started winning everything but in reality Serral went 4-0 over Inno and Maru at GSL vs The World in 2018 and won a Terran heavy HSC over Inno.
Both Inno AND TY beat him in 2019. In 2018 he never faced and won vs a high level Korean Terran in the finals except ONE final vs TY.
He rarely gets a chance to face top level Korean Terrans in actual tournament finals. When he does, his record is barely better than 50-50 if its better than 50-50 at all. Don't let his complete massacre of Special in the WCS finals skew the records, Serral is MUCH MUCH better than Special but Special is the best Terran in the WCS so that's an obviously biased result, that you can thank to Region Locking.
If Serral actually wanted to prove something he'd go play in Code S where the competition is actually on or above his level. I've been saying this for years. His meandering and farming of the foreigner scene is all fine and good for his personal wealth, but does nothing to prove he's the best in the world.
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On March 02 2020 01:07 parksonsc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 00:56 Nakajin wrote:On March 02 2020 00:52 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2020 00:46 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2020 00:39 Vindicare605 wrote:
I'm not upset with these results.
Zerg is too strong, the maps are STILL too Zerg favored, whatever you want to explain it with.
But Zest over Serral is tasty as hell. Rogue over Maru especially how the series went, is just more Jin Air on Jin Air violence that if the brackets were drawn up better might have been held in the finals instead of the semis. I firmly believe Rogue vs Maru was the ACTUAL final of the tournament.
Whatever though. The gap is wider. The gap is approximately the same looking at Katowice 2019 and, I repeat, there is nothing that would suggest that Rogue or Maru would have beaten Serral if he were drawn on their side of the bracket. Sure there is. 3-2 vs 4-1. The numbers don't lie. That's not how it work lol. But Serral did seems to have a surprising weakness to protoss, even in the game against sOs it was really close. I would have been curious to see how Dark would have fair here, he has not loss a tournament in a non zvz since like Super tournament no1 when he lost to Gumi I think? Edit: Yep, he's still on a 11 winning streak against non zerg in bo5+ both Rogue and Dark are far superior than Serral in ZvP In ZvT Dark is surely GOAT while Serral's and Rogue's are arguable ZvZ base on how they played in the last few months, i think Rogue > Dark ~ Serral
Serral's ZvP appeared inferior in this Katowice.
Dark's ZvT was not tested(usually he is the best) while Serral's seemed better than Rogue.
You are severely overestimating Dark's ZvZ as usual, and definitely underestimating Serral's ZvZ.
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On March 02 2020 01:12 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 01:07 parksonsc wrote:On March 02 2020 00:56 Nakajin wrote:On March 02 2020 00:52 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2020 00:46 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2020 00:39 Vindicare605 wrote:
I'm not upset with these results.
Zerg is too strong, the maps are STILL too Zerg favored, whatever you want to explain it with.
But Zest over Serral is tasty as hell. Rogue over Maru especially how the series went, is just more Jin Air on Jin Air violence that if the brackets were drawn up better might have been held in the finals instead of the semis. I firmly believe Rogue vs Maru was the ACTUAL final of the tournament.
Whatever though. The gap is wider. The gap is approximately the same looking at Katowice 2019 and, I repeat, there is nothing that would suggest that Rogue or Maru would have beaten Serral if he were drawn on their side of the bracket. Sure there is. 3-2 vs 4-1. The numbers don't lie. That's not how it work lol. But Serral did seems to have a surprising weakness to protoss, even in the game against sOs it was really close. I would have been curious to see how Dark would have fair here, he has not loss a tournament in a non zvz since like Super tournament no1 when he lost to Gumi I think? Edit: Yep, he's still on a 11 winning streak against non zerg in bo5+ both Rogue and Dark are far superior than Serral in ZvP In ZvT Dark is surely GOAT while Serral's and Rogue's are arguable ZvZ base on how they played in the last few months, i think Rogue > Dark ~ Serral Serral's ZvP appeared inferior in this Katowice. Dark's ZvT was not tested(usually he is the best) while Serral's seemed better than Rogue. You are severely overestimating Dark's ZvZ as usual, and definitely underestimating Serral's ZvZ.
At this tournament, Serral would have lost to Rogue, Dark, Reynor, soO, Armani, Solar, and Elazer in ZvZ. Had Lambo made the playoff stage and faced Serral, he'd have won the rematch as well. You have no way of proving me wrong.
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On March 02 2020 01:12 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 01:07 parksonsc wrote:On March 02 2020 00:56 Nakajin wrote:On March 02 2020 00:52 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2020 00:46 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2020 00:39 Vindicare605 wrote:
I'm not upset with these results.
Zerg is too strong, the maps are STILL too Zerg favored, whatever you want to explain it with.
But Zest over Serral is tasty as hell. Rogue over Maru especially how the series went, is just more Jin Air on Jin Air violence that if the brackets were drawn up better might have been held in the finals instead of the semis. I firmly believe Rogue vs Maru was the ACTUAL final of the tournament.
Whatever though. The gap is wider. The gap is approximately the same looking at Katowice 2019 and, I repeat, there is nothing that would suggest that Rogue or Maru would have beaten Serral if he were drawn on their side of the bracket. Sure there is. 3-2 vs 4-1. The numbers don't lie. That's not how it work lol. But Serral did seems to have a surprising weakness to protoss, even in the game against sOs it was really close. I would have been curious to see how Dark would have fair here, he has not loss a tournament in a non zvz since like Super tournament no1 when he lost to Gumi I think? Edit: Yep, he's still on a 11 winning streak against non zerg in bo5+ both Rogue and Dark are far superior than Serral in ZvP In ZvT Dark is surely GOAT while Serral's and Rogue's are arguable ZvZ base on how they played in the last few months, i think Rogue > Dark ~ Serral Serral's ZvP appeared inferior in this Katowice. Dark's ZvT was not tested(usually he is the best) while Serral's seemed better than Rogue. You are severely overestimating Dark's ZvZ as usual, and definitely underestimating Serral's ZvZ.
Dark just played Maru in the last Blizzcon which was not long ago and he absolutely smashed him.
Dark's ZvZ is not overrated by any mean, him losing to Rogue could indicate Rogue's ZvZ is that good. Rogue beat him before and after Blizzcon where he completely humiliated Reynor in the finals.
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On March 02 2020 01:15 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 01:12 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2020 01:07 parksonsc wrote:On March 02 2020 00:56 Nakajin wrote:On March 02 2020 00:52 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2020 00:46 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2020 00:39 Vindicare605 wrote:
I'm not upset with these results.
Zerg is too strong, the maps are STILL too Zerg favored, whatever you want to explain it with.
But Zest over Serral is tasty as hell. Rogue over Maru especially how the series went, is just more Jin Air on Jin Air violence that if the brackets were drawn up better might have been held in the finals instead of the semis. I firmly believe Rogue vs Maru was the ACTUAL final of the tournament.
Whatever though. The gap is wider. The gap is approximately the same looking at Katowice 2019 and, I repeat, there is nothing that would suggest that Rogue or Maru would have beaten Serral if he were drawn on their side of the bracket. Sure there is. 3-2 vs 4-1. The numbers don't lie. That's not how it work lol. But Serral did seems to have a surprising weakness to protoss, even in the game against sOs it was really close. I would have been curious to see how Dark would have fair here, he has not loss a tournament in a non zvz since like Super tournament no1 when he lost to Gumi I think? Edit: Yep, he's still on a 11 winning streak against non zerg in bo5+ both Rogue and Dark are far superior than Serral in ZvP In ZvT Dark is surely GOAT while Serral's and Rogue's are arguable ZvZ base on how they played in the last few months, i think Rogue > Dark ~ Serral Serral's ZvP appeared inferior in this Katowice. Dark's ZvT was not tested(usually he is the best) while Serral's seemed better than Rogue. You are severely overestimating Dark's ZvZ as usual, and definitely underestimating Serral's ZvZ. At this tournament, Serral would have lost to Rogue, Dark, Reynor, soO, Armani, Solar, and Elazer in ZvZ. Had Lambo made the playoff stage and faced Serral, he'd have won the rematch as well. You have no way of proving me wrong.
Serral would lose vs me.
I never once lost to him. Never.
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On March 02 2020 01:20 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 01:15 Boggyb wrote:On March 02 2020 01:12 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2020 01:07 parksonsc wrote:On March 02 2020 00:56 Nakajin wrote:On March 02 2020 00:52 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2020 00:46 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2020 00:39 Vindicare605 wrote:
I'm not upset with these results.
Zerg is too strong, the maps are STILL too Zerg favored, whatever you want to explain it with.
But Zest over Serral is tasty as hell. Rogue over Maru especially how the series went, is just more Jin Air on Jin Air violence that if the brackets were drawn up better might have been held in the finals instead of the semis. I firmly believe Rogue vs Maru was the ACTUAL final of the tournament.
Whatever though. The gap is wider. The gap is approximately the same looking at Katowice 2019 and, I repeat, there is nothing that would suggest that Rogue or Maru would have beaten Serral if he were drawn on their side of the bracket. Sure there is. 3-2 vs 4-1. The numbers don't lie. That's not how it work lol. But Serral did seems to have a surprising weakness to protoss, even in the game against sOs it was really close. I would have been curious to see how Dark would have fair here, he has not loss a tournament in a non zvz since like Super tournament no1 when he lost to Gumi I think? Edit: Yep, he's still on a 11 winning streak against non zerg in bo5+ both Rogue and Dark are far superior than Serral in ZvP In ZvT Dark is surely GOAT while Serral's and Rogue's are arguable ZvZ base on how they played in the last few months, i think Rogue > Dark ~ Serral Serral's ZvP appeared inferior in this Katowice. Dark's ZvT was not tested(usually he is the best) while Serral's seemed better than Rogue. You are severely overestimating Dark's ZvZ as usual, and definitely underestimating Serral's ZvZ. At this tournament, Serral would have lost to Rogue, Dark, Reynor, soO, Armani, Solar, and Elazer in ZvZ. Had Lambo made the playoff stage and faced Serral, he'd have won the rematch as well. You have no way of proving me wrong. Serral would lose vs me. I never once lost to him. Never.
I mean technically. (Insert Malcom Reynolds meme)
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On March 02 2020 01:20 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 01:15 Boggyb wrote:On March 02 2020 01:12 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2020 01:07 parksonsc wrote:On March 02 2020 00:56 Nakajin wrote:On March 02 2020 00:52 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2020 00:46 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2020 00:39 Vindicare605 wrote:
I'm not upset with these results.
Zerg is too strong, the maps are STILL too Zerg favored, whatever you want to explain it with.
But Zest over Serral is tasty as hell. Rogue over Maru especially how the series went, is just more Jin Air on Jin Air violence that if the brackets were drawn up better might have been held in the finals instead of the semis. I firmly believe Rogue vs Maru was the ACTUAL final of the tournament.
Whatever though. The gap is wider. The gap is approximately the same looking at Katowice 2019 and, I repeat, there is nothing that would suggest that Rogue or Maru would have beaten Serral if he were drawn on their side of the bracket. Sure there is. 3-2 vs 4-1. The numbers don't lie. That's not how it work lol. But Serral did seems to have a surprising weakness to protoss, even in the game against sOs it was really close. I would have been curious to see how Dark would have fair here, he has not loss a tournament in a non zvz since like Super tournament no1 when he lost to Gumi I think? Edit: Yep, he's still on a 11 winning streak against non zerg in bo5+ both Rogue and Dark are far superior than Serral in ZvP In ZvT Dark is surely GOAT while Serral's and Rogue's are arguable ZvZ base on how they played in the last few months, i think Rogue > Dark ~ Serral Serral's ZvP appeared inferior in this Katowice. Dark's ZvT was not tested(usually he is the best) while Serral's seemed better than Rogue. You are severely overestimating Dark's ZvZ as usual, and definitely underestimating Serral's ZvZ. At this tournament, Serral would have lost to Rogue, Dark, Reynor, soO, Armani, Solar, and Elazer in ZvZ. Had Lambo made the playoff stage and faced Serral, he'd have won the rematch as well. You have no way of proving me wrong. Serral would lose vs me. I never once lost to him. Never.
How can Serral be the GOAT when he's never even beaten an SC2 playing goat?
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Canada8989 Posts
I'm rewatching it and Maru-Rogue g5 was a great game actually
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On March 02 2020 01:11 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 01:09 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2020 00:58 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2020 00:56 Nakajin wrote:On March 02 2020 00:52 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2020 00:46 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2020 00:39 Vindicare605 wrote:
I'm not upset with these results.
Zerg is too strong, the maps are STILL too Zerg favored, whatever you want to explain it with.
But Zest over Serral is tasty as hell. Rogue over Maru especially how the series went, is just more Jin Air on Jin Air violence that if the brackets were drawn up better might have been held in the finals instead of the semis. I firmly believe Rogue vs Maru was the ACTUAL final of the tournament.
Whatever though. The gap is wider. The gap is approximately the same looking at Katowice 2019 and, I repeat, there is nothing that would suggest that Rogue or Maru would have beaten Serral if he were drawn on their side of the bracket. Sure there is. 3-2 vs 4-1. The numbers don't lie. That's not how it work lol. But Serral did seems to have a surprising weakness to protoss, even in the game against sOs it was really close. I would have been curious to see how Dark would have fair here, he has not loss a tournament in a non zvz since like Super tournament no1 when he lost to Gumi I think? What's ironic is that Serral also has a weakness vs Terran last year, or a weakness vs Reynor. Perhaps the explanation is even easier. Serral isn't the perfect player his stans like to pretend he is. He's actually just on a high level that high level Koreans can knock off at varying levels. He's at the GSL level where high level GSL players continously knock each other off of. More or less EXACTLY how I've been describing him for 2 years. You are both wrong and right. Since Katowice 2019, Serral has effectively been at top tier GSL level despite being at least more consistently good than any other player at that level(never below a ro8 in international tournament). At his peak in the second half of 2018, Serral was pretty much the perfect player you are describing: he literally won every single offline series he played(losing one online). Serral had no weakness to Terran, you are implying/suggesting he had because Maru 3-0d him months before Serral started winning everything but in reality Serral went 4-0 over Inno and Maru at GSL vs The World in 2018 and won a Terran heavy HSC over Inno. Both Inno AND TY beat him in 2019. In 2018 he never faced a high level Korean in the finals except ONE final vs TY. He rarely gets a chance to face top level Koreans in actual tournament finals. When he does, his record is barely better than 50-50 if its better than 50-50 at all.
Your memory is at fault or maybe you think Stats in 2018 was not a high level korean, which would just be plain wrong; TY has never beaten Serral, too.
Serral is 3-1 in Premier tournament finals against koreans(4-3 Stats, 4-2 Stats, 4-3 Inno in 2018 and 3-4 Inno in 2019) and you can add to this that he won HSC XIX against TY(it was a Major and they technically tied 3-3 since Serral started 1-0).
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