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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
March 01 2020 14:13 GMT
#881
I mean Zest didn't lose because of balance but nydus in general and nydushost in particular are just really bad game design.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
March 01 2020 14:14 GMT
#882
The best part of the finals is that they were fast. This way you're at least not wasting your whole day watching it.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
March 01 2020 14:14 GMT
#883
On March 01 2020 23:12 swarminfestor wrote:
No one can beat Rogue's Bo7 record now.

If only he didn't lose in a million ro8s before he actually got to play bo7s
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
March 01 2020 14:15 GMT
#884
On March 01 2020 23:12 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2020 23:10 LTCM wrote:
On March 01 2020 23:08 Penev wrote:
On March 01 2020 23:07 LTCM wrote:
I think we can all agree that after this finals the most urgent need is to nerf cannon rushes.

Oh, and another nerf to observers.

that's the protoss portion of the nerfs, what about the terran?


Mules op. Orbital starts with zero energy.


Supply depot that can lower, what's that about, the zerg and protoss need to make sophisticated sim-city and hold position micro and terran can just put building, does that seems fair to you?


From now on terran buildings can only be constructed on creep. And terran can't make creep.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2953 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-01 14:19:24
March 01 2020 14:17 GMT
#885
On March 01 2020 23:13 sneakyfox wrote:
I mean Zest didn't lose because of balance but nydus in general and nydushost in particular are just really bad game design.


Agreed. But that was one game Zest lost in the finals. In all the other games he lost, he just played poorly. And he was predictable as hell. And forgot to scout. Against a player like Rogue. What did he expect to achieve?
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
March 01 2020 14:18 GMT
#886
On March 01 2020 23:15 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2020 23:12 Nakajin wrote:
On March 01 2020 23:10 LTCM wrote:
On March 01 2020 23:08 Penev wrote:
On March 01 2020 23:07 LTCM wrote:
I think we can all agree that after this finals the most urgent need is to nerf cannon rushes.

Oh, and another nerf to observers.

that's the protoss portion of the nerfs, what about the terran?


Mules op. Orbital starts with zero energy.


Supply depot that can lower, what's that about, the zerg and protoss need to make sophisticated sim-city and hold position micro and terran can just put building, does that seems fair to you?


From now on terran buildings can only be constructed on creep. And terran can't make creep.

I think marines should have to reload, which should cost gas.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
LTCM
Profile Joined May 2017
174 Posts
March 01 2020 14:18 GMT
#887
On March 01 2020 23:15 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2020 23:12 Nakajin wrote:
On March 01 2020 23:10 LTCM wrote:
On March 01 2020 23:08 Penev wrote:
On March 01 2020 23:07 LTCM wrote:
I think we can all agree that after this finals the most urgent need is to nerf cannon rushes.

Oh, and another nerf to observers.

that's the protoss portion of the nerfs, what about the terran?


Mules op. Orbital starts with zero energy.


Supply depot that can lower, what's that about, the zerg and protoss need to make sophisticated sim-city and hold position micro and terran can just put building, does that seems fair to you?


From now on terran buildings can only be constructed on creep. And terran can't make creep.

I like your style.
Byun is a convicted match-fixer.
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
March 01 2020 14:24 GMT
#888
On March 01 2020 23:17 Swisslink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2020 23:13 sneakyfox wrote:
I mean Zest didn't lose because of balance but nydus in general and nydushost in particular are just really bad game design.


Agreed. But that was one game Zest lost in the finals. In all the other games he lost, he just played poorly. And he was predictable as hell. And forgot to scout. Against a player like Rogue. What did he expect to achieve?


Yup, agree with that.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
March 01 2020 14:24 GMT
#889
Rogue is both the best and sexiest Sc2 player in the world.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12887 Posts
March 01 2020 14:36 GMT
#890
On March 01 2020 23:07 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2020 22:43 Poopi wrote:
Rogue would have probably won as well against Serral but it would have been closer


Based on what, exactly? Surely not h2h nor Serral's performance against Zerg in this tournament.

Very disappointing final.

He was on point in every match-up and even beat Reynor easily in ZvZ as well as Dark, and rolled through Zest that Serral couldn't handle.
I'd say Serral would have faired better against Maru than Rogue
WriterMaru
Doko
Profile Joined May 2010
Argentina1737 Posts
March 01 2020 14:47 GMT
#891
I hope there is a major patch to shake things up balance and meta wise. Most games were over after one big hail mary attack with some hidden building failed miserably or outright made the rest of the game irrelevant from how much damage they did.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
March 01 2020 14:54 GMT
#892
On March 01 2020 23:47 Doko wrote:
I hope there is a major patch to shake things up balance and meta wise. Most games were over after one big hail mary attack with some hidden building failed miserably or outright made the rest of the game irrelevant from how much damage they did.


I honestly think they should nerf zerg to the ground then let the player try to figure it out and re-buff them in certain part if needed, we're just gonna have zerg forever if we keep going like that.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Z3nith
Profile Joined October 2017
485 Posts
March 01 2020 14:57 GMT
#893
It's just really hard to pinpoint what the problem with Zerg is besides Swarmhost Nydus for obvious bad design reasons
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
March 01 2020 15:00 GMT
#894
On March 01 2020 23:36 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2020 23:07 Xain0n wrote:
On March 01 2020 22:43 Poopi wrote:
Rogue would have probably won as well against Serral but it would have been closer


Based on what, exactly? Surely not h2h nor Serral's performance against Zerg in this tournament.

Very disappointing final.

He was on point in every match-up and even beat Reynor easily in ZvZ as well as Dark, and rolled through Zest that Serral couldn't handle.
I'd say Serral would have faired better against Maru than Rogue


Serral looked better than Rogue in ZvT, it was Maru losing the series much more than Rogue winning it; Rogue was better in ZvP.

Reynor lost to soO as well, his performance at Katowice wasn't up to his standards while Dark's ZvZ is really not that great.
Serral crushed Lambo in 10 minutes and has always beaten Rogue, at worst one could say that we are lacking information.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15968 Posts
March 01 2020 15:00 GMT
#895
On March 01 2020 23:36 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2020 23:07 Xain0n wrote:
On March 01 2020 22:43 Poopi wrote:
Rogue would have probably won as well against Serral but it would have been closer


Based on what, exactly? Surely not h2h nor Serral's performance against Zerg in this tournament.

Very disappointing final.

He was on point in every match-up and even beat Reynor easily in ZvZ as well as Dark, and rolled through Zest that Serral couldn't handle.
I'd say Serral would have faired better against Maru than Rogue

No serral is the best player in the world he lost against zest because he got caught offguard and didn't play at his usual level but he is still a better player than zest and a better player than rogue and a better player than anyone else yes he lost this one time but everyone loses to some unexpected things from time to time not losing is not possible in starcraft but serral is still the best player in the world even if he doesn't win every tournament because he is still the best player in the world and better than rogue who he beats every time
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
GoloSC2
Profile Joined August 2014
710 Posts
March 01 2020 15:01 GMT
#896
On March 02 2020 00:00 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2020 23:36 Poopi wrote:
On March 01 2020 23:07 Xain0n wrote:
On March 01 2020 22:43 Poopi wrote:
Rogue would have probably won as well against Serral but it would have been closer


Based on what, exactly? Surely not h2h nor Serral's performance against Zerg in this tournament.

Very disappointing final.

He was on point in every match-up and even beat Reynor easily in ZvZ as well as Dark, and rolled through Zest that Serral couldn't handle.
I'd say Serral would have faired better against Maru than Rogue

No serral is the best player in the world he lost against zest because he got caught offguard and didn't play at his usual level but he is still a better player than zest and a better player than rogue and a better player than anyone else yes he lost this one time but everyone loses to some unexpected things from time to time not losing is not possible in starcraft but serral is still the best player in the world even if he doesn't win every tournament because he is still the best player in the world and better than rogue who he beats every time


glad you changed your mind, finally
"Code S > IEM > Super Tournament > Homestory Cup > Blizzcon/WESG > GSL vs The World > Invitational tournaments in China with Koreans > WCS events" - Rodya
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
March 01 2020 15:02 GMT
#897
On March 01 2020 23:54 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2020 23:47 Doko wrote:
I hope there is a major patch to shake things up balance and meta wise. Most games were over after one big hail mary attack with some hidden building failed miserably or outright made the rest of the game irrelevant from how much damage they did.


I honestly think they should nerf zerg to the ground then let the player try to figure it out and re-buff them in certain part if needed, we're just gonna have zerg forever if we keep going like that.

Well that doesn't seem like a great idea either, we need some competitive integrity
A good start imo would be to finally revert the baneling buff completely and nerf queens a little bit as well. Zerg seems too flexible and banelings rolling over everything no matter what it is became quite old as well.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-01 15:04:40
March 01 2020 15:02 GMT
#898
On March 01 2020 23:57 Z3nith wrote:
It's just really hard to pinpoint what the problem with Zerg is besides Swarmhost Nydus for obvious bad design reasons


Ya, I don't really get it either.
Maybe adding more worker at the start seems to have broken their macro
Having both ravager and buff baneling didn't help either I think, they make it a lot easier to transition nicely out of a defensive position/get in a defensive position without to many prior commitment.

Or maybe it is actually just the players who are better, but honestly even if it is just the players I think at this point they have earn a nerf anyway.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12887 Posts
March 01 2020 15:04 GMT
#899
On March 02 2020 00:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2020 23:54 Nakajin wrote:
On March 01 2020 23:47 Doko wrote:
I hope there is a major patch to shake things up balance and meta wise. Most games were over after one big hail mary attack with some hidden building failed miserably or outright made the rest of the game irrelevant from how much damage they did.


I honestly think they should nerf zerg to the ground then let the player try to figure it out and re-buff them in certain part if needed, we're just gonna have zerg forever if we keep going like that.

Well that doesn't seem like a great idea either, we need some competitive integrity
A good start imo would be to finally revert the baneling buff completely and nerf queens a little bit as well. Zerg seems too flexible and banelings rolling over everything no matter what it is became quite old as well.

Yeah that baneling buff nerfing ByuN was iffy, and that would probably allow a mech comeback if banelings weren't so efficient overall

We'll see, I'm sure blizzard will handle the problem
They have been really good at addressing issues on their RTS lately
WriterMaru
hexhaven
Profile Joined July 2014
Finland935 Posts
March 01 2020 15:05 GMT
#900
On March 01 2020 20:08 Charoisaur wrote:
Maru vs Serral denied again. Serral just doesn't fulfill his part


This didn't age well.
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