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ThunderJunk
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Honestly, every single one of these Ro8 Matches gonna be SICK Also, the CSS work on this post is SICK. Cheers! And thanks for the content. | ||
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sudete
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On November 24 2019 14:53 parksonsc wrote: Inno's reaction time and accuracy is not the same as it was 2 years ago, i don't think he can take down Serral now. Tbh i think despite all the hype, the last day will be one sided with Serral or Reynor winning the whole thing. They are the only real tournament contenders here. Agreed on the inno thing, but maybe zest has a few tricks up his sleeve to be competitive with serral/reynor during the series | ||
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Musicus
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All thanks to Ahli who combined the balance and observing mod and now fixed the abduct bug!!! Super happy this was done before Serral vs Inno! | ||
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pvsnp
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On November 24 2019 16:57 Musicus wrote: Good news, since they are using their own HSC mod that combines the PTR and the WCS observing mod the Viper abduct could be fixed. All thanks to Ahli who combined the balance and observing mod and now fixed the abduct bug!!! https://twitter.com/AhliSC2/status/1198397439557984256 Super happy this was done before Serral vs Inno! A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one. Also, ugh XML in 2019. Why not Protobuf or even JSON? | ||
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On November 24 2019 18:33 MockHamill wrote: Why does the stream say 55 minutes left, it should already have started? Today it starts at 11:30 | ||
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XPA
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On November 24 2019 18:33 MockHamill wrote: Why does the stream say 55 minutes left, it should already have started? Today the stream starts one hour later at 11:30. | ||
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sneakyfox
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On November 24 2019 16:57 Musicus wrote: Good news, since they are using their own HSC mod that combines the PTR and the WCS observing mod the Viper abduct could be fixed. All thanks to Ahli who combined the balance and observing mod and now fixed the abduct bug!!! https://twitter.com/AhliSC2/status/1198397439557984256 Super happy this was done before Serral vs Inno! Lol yes, of course they fixed it. HSC is the best. Later today, TaKe is going to announce WCS 2020-2025 and exemption from military for starcraft progamers, plus the return of kespa teams  | ||
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Akio
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On November 24 2019 18:40 sneakyfox wrote: Thanks for the thread Pande! Lol yes, of course they fixed it. HSC is the best. Later today, TaKe is going to announce WCS 2020-2025 and exemption from military for starcraft progamers, plus the return of kespa teams "We here at TaKeTV discussed with the CEO of Korean esports and decided to disband the LCK and bring back OSL/MSL plus SSL for SC2. All it took was one phone call really." | ||
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Akio
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But still, kudos | ||
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Argonauta
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Schelim
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nice shirt Dadtosis | ||
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
On November 24 2019 18:36 Musicus wrote: Fixed version is live for anybody who wants to play bugfree games https://twitter.com/AhliSC2/status/1198534776791207936 TakeTV picking up blizzards slack, as usual | ||
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Elentos
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On November 24 2019 19:56 Schelim wrote: why is Mana randomly so good It's just Mana. Strings together 1 good run every year and there's no warning signs for anybody to see it coming. | ||
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Elentos
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On November 24 2019 19:59 blooblooblahblah wrote: Kinda disappointed in Mana's plan there. He knew it was SH+Nydus, but was really sluggish in preparing against it. I know Thunderbird is super good for the style but the nydus places are pretty obvious and he already knows Solar's timings if he studied the Stats' games so he could've prepared accordingly. It looked like he was trying to counter it but he didn't actually have a well optimised response. Okay, but hear me out... 12 templars with storm! | ||
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sneakyfox
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On November 24 2019 19:07 Akio wrote: "We here at TaKeTV discussed with the CEO of Korean esports and decided to disband the LCK and bring back OSL/MSL plus SSL for SC2. All it took was one phone call really." lol yes, that's exactly it | ||
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Heartland
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Schelim
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On November 24 2019 20:10 Heartland wrote: It ain't looking good for Manabear :/ sitll putting on a show here though | ||
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Durnuu
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On November 24 2019 20:17 Durnuu wrote: Mana is probably dead Mana is very dead | ||
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Durnuu
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On November 24 2019 20:20 Schelim wrote: btw why is Solar's English so baller? His father is a diplomat iirc | ||
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Elentos
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And he watched American cartoons as a kid | ||
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Durnuu
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On November 24 2019 20:21 Elentos wrote: And he watched American cartoons as a kid Bugs Bunny #1 | ||
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HolydaKing
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On November 24 2019 20:37 Akio wrote: This should be spicy, hoping Cure will take this home. The man deserves it Against Trap I'm cheering for Cure as well. | ||
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Durnuu
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On November 24 2019 20:26 sneakyfox wrote: Btw Elentos, are the best games lists from October and November coming at some point? Or has blord/infestor been too tough to swallow? I heard he's too busy saving koalas in Australia | ||
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sneakyfox
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On November 24 2019 20:40 Durnuu wrote: I heard he's too busy saving koalas in Australia Saving koalas instead of starcraft? Koalas > SC2 confirmed? Oh man we just got demoted again. | ||
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Durnuu
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On November 24 2019 20:45 sneakyfox wrote: Saving koalas instead of starcraft? Koalas > SC2 confirmed? Oh man we just got demoted again. He's trying to get Moonglade back to casting SC2 | ||
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Durnuu
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sneakyfox
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Yolo, I guess | ||
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Akio
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Ciaus_Dronu
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Not gonna lie, it feels like zealots need to be a little better at the fighting thing. Maybe the patch hurt them too much. | ||
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HolydaKing
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On November 24 2019 20:57 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: Some crazy series so far. Not gonna lie, it feels like zealots need to be a little better at the fighting thing. Maybe the patch hurt them too much. They're quite crazily annoying while being used as offensive tool though. | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On November 24 2019 20:57 Akio wrote: Nice defensive, safe play from Trap I mean they're saying that but honestly I'd almost consider that a semi-all in if you're delaying probes past 50 and getting your third that late. Feels more like a 'colossi timing' style that needs to get pretty good damage if you want to macro out of it, but it's working very well this tournament | ||
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Akio
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On November 24 2019 20:59 blooblooblahblah wrote: I mean they're saying that but honestly I'd almost consider that a semi-all in if you're delaying probes past 50 and getting your third that late. Feels more like a 'colossi timing' style that needs to get pretty good damage if you want to macro out of it, but it's working very well this tournament Good point | ||
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Akio
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On November 24 2019 21:19 sneakyfox wrote: https://twitter.com/SpeCialsc2/status/1198576402892804097 It's not attacking into the planetary that's wrong. It's the system | ||
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sneakyfox
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On November 24 2019 21:32 Elentos wrote: A teamkill that doesn't suck Also feels like new patch and unsettled meta means lots of scrappyness and entertaining back-and-forth. | ||
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Schelim
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GG Trap, was rooting for Cure to win the whole tournament :/ | ||
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sneakyfox
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On November 24 2019 22:12 Schelim wrote: looks like i returned from my run at the right time :D GG Trap, was rooting for Cure to win the whole tournament :/ Zest is best though, would be a fine champion of the anniversary tournament. Also would like Solar to win. Would be very cool to have someone go all the way through the lower bracket and lift the trophy. | ||
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Elentos
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On November 24 2019 22:15 sneakyfox wrote: Zest is best though, would be a fine champion of the anniversary tournament. Also would like Solar to win. Would be very cool to have someone go all the way through the lower bracket and lift the trophy. It's gonna be Zest or Serral because esports is scripted and for the anniversary edition someone has to tie TaeJa's record. | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
On November 24 2019 22:12 TheAnarchy wrote: I wonder if inno can come back to his goat form or at least 50% and take serral I feel like the pattern of peaking hard at 1-2 tournaments and then slumping for most of the rest of the year has become a part of inno's career | ||
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sneakyfox
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On November 24 2019 22:17 Elentos wrote: It's gonna be Zest or Serral because esports is scripted and for the anniversary edition someone has to tie TaeJa's record. There is no doubt about that. An alternative script could be young Reynor winning to mark the shift to a new era. | ||
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Durnuu
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On November 24 2019 22:12 Schelim wrote: looks like i returned from my run at the right time :D GG Trap, was rooting for Cure to win the whole tournament :/ Are you DieuCure? | ||
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sneakyfox
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On November 24 2019 22:26 Elentos wrote: With all the drops Inno does though I'd much prefer if he went for mines. And Serral's blinding clouds are just on point. | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
i am not. but i like rooting for the "smaller" Korean Terrans cause they tend to be amazing players that are often overlooked. Bunny, KeeN, ByuN before he turned Super Saiyan (still loved him after ofc), Gumigod, Ryung, Cure... | ||
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Heartland
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Elentos
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Also holy cow the ultra skin is just a skeleton. | ||
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Penev
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On November 24 2019 22:28 Schelim wrote: i am not. but i like rooting for the "smaller" Korean Terrans cause they tend to be amazing players that are often overlooked. Bunny, KeeN, ByuN before he turned Super Saiyan (still loved him after ofc), Gumigod, Ryung, Cure... ...Sniper | ||
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sneakyfox
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On November 24 2019 22:30 Elentos wrote: Also holy cow the ultra skin is just a skeleton. Anorectic Ultralisks. Health reduced to half but half of attacks miss because body too difficult to hit. | ||
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Silvanel
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On November 24 2019 22:31 sudete wrote: I hope inno has more than 1 program installed Innovation.exe -c 2rax_proxy | ||
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sneakyfox
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On November 24 2019 22:35 Zambrah wrote: I love Special Yeah me too, I'm with him. "What the hell are you doing" | ||
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sneakyfox
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Oh it's a second port, nvm | ||
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e: nvm | ||
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I dont like how terran has so many openings against zerg but zerg is pretty much forced to mass queens and drones on 3 base everygame. Very hard to make any aggressive build work because of possibility of bcs. On November 24 2019 22:41 HeroSandro wrote: Surprising that Serral did not just go 5-6 spores immediately. I dont think spores alone are enough against that many bcs | ||
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blooblooblahblah
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On November 24 2019 22:41 HeroSandro wrote: Surprising that Serral did not just go 5-6 spores immediately. I feel like if he didn't make those extra rounds of lings, Inno would've stabilised on 2 base much easier and Serral still would've had a tough time due to the position of the third he had. He just didn't do enough damage with the all in and Inno managed to wall off his main in time for the second round. I don't think there was a good chance to go macro in that game unless he killed literally all the scvs. Inno micro'd very well and retained a very decent scv count considering the circumstance. | ||
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HolydaKing
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On November 24 2019 22:41 HeroSandro wrote: Surprising that Serral did not just go 5-6 spores immediately. Would have needed them immediately and everywhere tbh. Spores aren't that good vs BCs, you need a critical mass of Queens and never let the terran have many BCs without getting other solutions because otherwise both Queens and Spores can get Yamatoed quite badly. | ||
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blooblooblahblah
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On November 24 2019 22:42 sudete wrote: I'm honestly shocked that serral lost that one He was never ahead at any point really | ||
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blooblooblahblah
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On November 24 2019 22:58 HolydaKing wrote: Don't really like Serral's ZvT style, Reynor's Lurker style seems better. There's no way he could've done that considering the opening. Just an awkward game. | ||
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parksonsc
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On November 24 2019 22:58 Charoisaur wrote: old, past-his-peak Inno still beating up Serral. With a balance map pool Inno would beat Serral regardless, current maps are just shitty for Terran | ||
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HeroSandro
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On November 24 2019 22:58 Charoisaur wrote: old, past-his-peak Inno still beating up Serral. If Inno wins is it a proof that Serral is bad and Korean terrains are gods?  | ||
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Elentos
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Inno is literally Pirate Terran. | ||
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sneakyfox
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On November 24 2019 23:00 Elentos wrote: Serral, do you wanna be that guy who loses to the one-eyed robot? Inno is literally Pirate Terran. Ahh, that's the script of course. You need a pirate to come and steal the gold from the tropical island. | ||
TheOneAboveU
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On November 24 2019 23:00 Elentos wrote: Serral, do you wanna be that guy who loses to the one-eyed robot? Inno is literally Pirate Terran. Inno is merely saving processing power for other things by shutting down one eye. | ||
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On November 24 2019 23:02 Topin wrote: just waking up, how were the games so far? Solar vs Mana was very onesided. Trap vs Cure was fun and quite back and forth. Lots of things blowing up. | ||
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Elentos
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On November 24 2019 23:01 sneakyfox wrote: Ahh, that's the script of course. You need a pirate to come and steal the gold from the tropical island. If Inno wins this HSC as Pirate Terran, does that count as a win for TaeJa? | ||
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GoloSC2
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On November 24 2019 23:02 JanDe wrote: 1 question. Special and uthermal had 9:5 map score in group D. They played 1:1 in gropus. Without tiebreakers, special got in WB and uThernal in LB. Why? it was a 3-way tie with showtime in there as well, and special won vs showtime while the other games were draws | ||
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sneakyfox
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On November 24 2019 23:04 Elentos wrote: If Inno wins this HSC as Pirate Terran, does that count as a win for TaeJa? That's probably in the script too | ||
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Schelim
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On November 24 2019 23:04 GoloSC2 wrote: it was a 3-way tie with showtime in there as well, and special won vs showtime while the other games were draws wow, he was Juan game away from the lower bracket | ||
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On November 24 2019 23:09 Elentos wrote: I like how this series was hardly affected by the patch at all. What are you talking about, +25/25 overlord speed cost clearly of absolute importance | ||
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Elentos
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On November 24 2019 23:10 HeroSandro wrote: Is this going to be the tactic we see in eery TvZ in the future on this map? This map is rotating out in a few days anyway. | ||
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On November 24 2019 23:10 HolydaKing wrote: Deserved win, Serral wasn't good enough. I think Reynor has better chances in ZvT, so I hope he wins against Zest. Honestly pretty unlucky series for Serral, he got the short end of the mind game stick in most of those games, sans Game 4. | ||
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stilt
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On November 24 2019 23:09 Elentos wrote: I like how this series was hardly affected by the patch at all. You don't seem to realize the importance of the creep nerf. Neither how thor counter muta now | ||
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Musicus
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On November 24 2019 23:12 HeroSandro wrote: Last HSC Inno went trough the lower bracket, so this seems fair. My thought exactly. And we get more Serral vs Korea. | ||
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Elentos
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On November 24 2019 23:12 xelnaga_empire wrote: I don't know why people want Serral to play Maru so bad. It's Innovation who has the true rivalry with Serral. From Innovation beating Serral at the WESG finals last year for over 100K grand prize that went to 7 games, to all the other 7 game series between Innovation and Serral, I think one of Serral's biggest rival is Innovation. There have only been 2 best of 7 matches between Inno and Serral. Because if you haven't noticed, while Serral was on top of the world for the last 2 years Inno has been sitting in the middle of the pack of the Korean scene. | ||
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Athenau
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Neither how thor counter muta now Thor splash wasn't changed. | ||
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Elentos
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On November 24 2019 23:15 swarminfestor wrote: Innovation was great. If his controls were much better, we could see perfect games from him like the one vs Taeja a long time ago. It's not a perfect game if you lose | ||
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Charoisaur
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On November 24 2019 23:15 swarminfestor wrote: Innovation was great. If his controls were much better, we could see perfect games from him like the one vs Taeja a long time ago. a perfect game which he lost? | ||
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On November 24 2019 23:15 tskarzyn wrote: Kept getting distracted at the wrong times. Did Inno win the game where he went 2-port BC and lost a ton of workers early? Yeah Serral didn't have the anti-air for 4 BCs. | ||
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Majick
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On November 24 2019 23:15 tskarzyn wrote: Kept getting distracted at the wrong times. Did Inno win the game where he went 2-port BC and lost a ton of workers early? Yes his BC counterattack was unstoppable with what Serral had at that point. | ||
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On November 24 2019 23:13 stilt wrote: You don't seem to realize the importance of the creep nerf. Neither how thor counter muta now Thor vs muta didn't get changed in a way that impacted this match at all. And I don't think ability to cancel creep tumors would have changed that much. Series could have gone exactly the same way without the patch. | ||
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On November 24 2019 23:13 Musicus wrote: My thought exactly. And we get more Serral vs Korea. Yea, we get to see Serral vs Solar which is nice. Serral's weakness(regardless of balance) is without any doubt strong, well executed timing pushes in the midgame(except that in ZvZ, I guess). | ||
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swarminfestor
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I didn't think Serral can outmatched him during that time. | ||
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On November 24 2019 23:20 OsaX Nymloth wrote: WTF what happened to Rotti? Probably tried to keep pace with Big Gabe in a drinking contest. | ||
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Elentos
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On November 24 2019 23:21 sneakyfox wrote: Oh, it's Serral vs Trap. Trap beat Solar in groups, maybe he can hang with Serral for a bit now. | ||
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Andi_Goldberger
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On November 24 2019 23:19 sneakyfox wrote: I like Harstem. did you click it? | ||
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stilt
France2746 Posts
On November 24 2019 23:21 swarminfestor wrote: I didn't think Serral can outmatched him during that time. I think he is refering to a famous tvt game they played in 2013. (Taeja/inno) | ||
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Majick
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On November 24 2019 23:22 sneakyfox wrote: Probably tried to keep pace with Big Gabe in a drinking contest. Still not shirtless tho | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On November 24 2019 23:22 Elentos wrote: Trap beat Solar in groups, maybe he can hang with Serral for a bit now. It will be interesting nevertheless but I would have preferred to see Serral vs Solar. | ||
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Elentos
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On November 24 2019 23:25 Xain0n wrote: It will be interesting nevertheless but I would have preferred to see Serral vs Solar. I guess we all like it when our favorite players get easy wins. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On November 24 2019 23:22 Elentos wrote: Trap beat Solar in groups, maybe he can hang with Serral for a bit now. Yeah, hope so. He has looked like he needed to warm up both yesterday and today. It's definitely more fun to see that match than Serral v Solar imo. And we still could get that later anyway. I'm clicking it like a crazy monkey over here. | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On November 24 2019 23:18 Elentos wrote: Thor vs muta didn't get changed in a way that impacted this match at all. And I don't think ability to cancel creep tumors would have changed that much. Series could have gone exactly the same way without the patch. Yeah, you can't blame the patch at all. Innovation just cut all the right corners, and all his builds worked out extremely well in every single game (including the one he lost). The only thing is maybe in the previous patch, Serral would've gone OL speed on disco, which maybe would've prevented him from getting completely bamboozled by the opening, which forced him to make roach muta with awfully slow upgrades and awfully slow bane speed. He made a good game out of it but that was a pretty crappy position to be in from the start. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On November 24 2019 23:26 Elentos wrote: I guess we all like it when our favorite players get easy wins. If anything, their respective match record says otherwise; also, the last time Serral played Solar was at Katowice whereas we had Serral vs Trap at GSL vs the World. | ||
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SamirDuran
Philippines894 Posts
On November 24 2019 23:13 Xain0n wrote: That was well played by Winnovation. It would even be one enjoyable series if people could avoid to mindlessly commenting about Inno being superior while playing at 10% of his power or how much of a patchzerg Serral is -_- Serral just used 10% of his skills that's why he lost. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
I wonder if they're going to stream the afterparty tonight. There could be many legendary clips in that. | ||
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Schelim
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Elentos
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On November 24 2019 23:28 Xain0n wrote: If anything, their respective match record says otherwise; also, the last time Serral played Solar was at Katowice whereas we had Serral vs Trap at GSL vs the World. I'm just not convinced by Solar's ZvZ at all. 0-2 vs TLO didn't help that either. | ||
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Penev
28453 Posts
On November 24 2019 23:30 sneakyfox wrote: Zest with the Classicesque strats I hope we get a Zest cannon rush | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
Only if he goes up 2-0 though, need some room for dark comedy strats first. | ||
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TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
On November 24 2019 23:29 Schelim wrote: have we had a full Dutch couch yet? Yeah, I think we had Rotti, Harstem, Lowko before. | ||
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sneakyfox
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HolydaKing
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On November 24 2019 23:33 TheOneAboveU wrote: Yeah, I think we had Rotti, Harstem, Lowko before. gotta be tough to surpress the urge to speak Dutch to one another where's uThermy? don't think i haven't seen him cast a single game. does he enjoy German beverages especially much? | ||
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TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
On November 24 2019 23:34 sneakyfox wrote: What was Zest looking at there?? The accusing faces of all the dead Protoss warriors feeling betrayed by their commander? | ||
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Elentos
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sneakyfox
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On November 24 2019 23:35 TheOneAboveU wrote: The accusing faces of all the dead Protoss warriors feeling betrayed by their commander? Yeah, that was probably a big mutiny. Hope they get to ask him why the units got so pissed off. | ||
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Elentos
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On November 24 2019 23:36 Elentos wrote: I don't know how the Zest who plays perfectly for like 8 minutes and the Zest who fucks up a game with 1 sloppy engage can possibly be the same person. I don't know how the herO who fucks up a game for like 8 minutes and the herO who plays perfectly for like 1 minute can possibly be the same person. | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
sorry for off-topic, i just noticed that ever since i started cooking and now eating i'm not paying any fucking attention to the stream even though i want to | ||
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tskarzyn
United States516 Posts
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sneakyfox
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Penev
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Penev
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
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Elentos
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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Heartland
Sweden24579 Posts
On November 25 2019 00:00 sudete wrote: What's the point of getting motherships anyway Having your army cloaked so it's much harder for BL attacks, abducts, etc? You have to babysit it a lot, of course, but they're game-winning potentially. Or at least insurance against losing. | ||
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Topin
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sneakyfox
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On November 25 2019 00:00 sudete wrote: What's the point of getting motherships anyway To take some energy off the Vipers. Demu just explained it | ||
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Charoisaur
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stilt
France2746 Posts
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Xamo
Spain877 Posts
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Olli
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
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Elentos
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SamirDuran
Philippines894 Posts
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
On November 25 2019 00:02 stilt wrote: Reynor is so insanely good. Is Reynor the new Serral? | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
Depends. Would serral get beaten 4-1 by dark in a global final? | ||
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Comedy
453 Posts
On November 25 2019 00:03 SamirDuran wrote: Heroics unit should never be abducted. Lategame pvz is still unplayable lol just wait until a protoss who's actually competent at late game keeps the vipers with revelation and doesnt lose 20 carriers to abducts throughout the game for free, and also gets his own templars feedbacked before heading into the final engagement lol (why would he engage right after losing all his energy?) Zest is just bad at late game | ||
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Xamo
Spain877 Posts
On November 25 2019 00:03 Elentos wrote: So ZvP late game is still just spellcaster spam :S They are very hard to control all at once so I think it may be ok. I hate the infinity mana for the Viper, tho. That is not a spellcaster, it is a regular unit with a cooldown. | ||
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sirok_
33 Posts
Plus it is often backed up by a thousand spores and broodlords who wreck high templars. Thus, tere's no way a Protoss will win the feedback / abduct war against a player as skilled as Reynor. Protoss air armada vs Zerg is bad theory crafting. It supposes that on one hand Protoss will have insane micro and on the other that Zerg will make mistakes. Heroic unit should be non-abductable. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On November 25 2019 00:03 Elentos wrote: So ZvP late game is still just spellcaster spam :S Ye. Balance aside, this is what really needs to be fixed. Two deathballs crashing into each other is just not fun to watch. | ||
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HolydaKing
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
Zest probably just needs a trip down in the gutter before he goes into full HSC-mode. | ||
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dbRic1203
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stilt
France2746 Posts
On November 25 2019 00:07 sirok_ wrote: Viper is faster than high templar and flies. Plus it is often backed up by a thousand spores and broodlords who wreck high templars. Thus, tere's no way a Protoss will win the feedback / abduct war against a player as skilled as Reynor. Protoss air armada vs Zerg is bad theory crafting. It supposes that on one hand Protoss will have insane micro and on the other that Zerg will make mistakes. Heroic unit should be non-abductable. Protoss golden armada is the hightest dps comp and super tanky, it needs so much more skill to outposition it. And once viper get feedback, they are useless while they take more supply and are more expensive, there are not great in comparaison to ht to say the very least. | ||
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Comedy
453 Posts
On November 25 2019 00:07 sirok_ wrote: Viper is faster than high templar and flies. Plus it is often backed up by a thousand spores and broodlords who wreck high templars. Thus, tere's no way a Protoss will win the feedback / abduct war against a player as skilled as Reynor. Protoss air armada vs Zerg is bad theory crafting. It supposes that on one hand Protoss will have insane micro and on the other that Zerg will make mistakes. Heroic unit should be non-abductable. you literally need 2 hotkeys to control your 'air armada'. air on 1, templars on 2. if you add a 3rd hotkey for 2 oracles and keep relevation on the vipers you can just hold down rapid fire feedback everytime it comes close enough to abduct and you will take good trades. Zerg needs to mass corrupter to beat your air armada now, there wont be so many broodlords all the supply has to go in vipers/corrupters/infestors (maybe) and a runby squad... Zerg needs 5 hotkeys btw broodlords corrupters/vipers infestors queens ground army squad reynor played that game insanely well and just outplayed zest on every front.. Zest has never been known for his strenght in late game even when he was dominating in 2014. He's just not a late game player. | ||
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Arcanefrost
Belgium1257 Posts
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Elentos
55458 Posts
On November 25 2019 00:16 Comedy wrote: Zest has never been known for his strenght in late game even when he was dominating in 2014. He's just not a late game player. This is just not true. | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
On November 25 2019 00:17 Arcanefrost wrote: I'm starting to think you just can't beat players like serral and reynor in zvp. You have no chance in a macro game, and you can't surprise them with a cheese three times To be fair, patch hasn't even gone live yet (apart from HSC) and we could yet see a pvz playstyle that changes things completely. I know it's not the best example of how you could change late game pvz due its perceived lack of success so far but the idea of going for some disruptors late on seems to have untapped potential. Would love to see protoss mixing things up in the next WCS and hopefully a bit more success for the likes of neeb and showtime in the foreign circuit | ||
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Xamo
Spain877 Posts
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Elentos
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On November 25 2019 00:22 sudete wrote: To be fair, patch hasn't even gone live yet (apart from HSC) and we could yet see a pvz playstyle that changes things completely. I know it's not the best example of how you could change late game pvz due its perceived lack of success so far but the idea of going for some disruptors late on seems to have untapped potential. Would love to see protoss mixing things up in the next WCS and hopefully a bit more success for the likes of neeb and showtime in the foreign circuit We saw at ASUS ROG Stats trying to manage speed prism disruptors, HTs, his air fleet and counter attacks (his own and his opponent's). It didn't work at the time but maybe without Infested Terrans it's worth another go. Just seems like a 500 APM playstyle. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On November 25 2019 00:22 Xamo wrote: Is there a link to vote for the game of the tournament? It is not on Liquipedia. I dont think there is, since it's kinda too early, game of the tournament might be in the Gfinals | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On November 25 2019 00:24 Geo.Rion wrote: I dont think there is, since it's kinda too early, game of the tournament might be in the Gfinals Exactly. Shouldn't be done yet. | ||
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stilt
France2746 Posts
On November 25 2019 00:03 SamirDuran wrote: Heroics unit should never be abducted. Lategame pvz is still unplayable Heroic unit should not exist in sc2 to begin with. | ||
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yht9657
1810 Posts
On November 25 2019 00:25 stilt wrote: Heroic unit should not exist in sc2 to begin with. Delete ultralisk | ||
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Elentos
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Heartland
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sirok_
33 Posts
On November 25 2019 00:27 Elentos wrote: Maybe we could make the mothership a bit less worthless in terms of actual fighting though since it's so insanely expensive and slow to build. For a one-of-a-kind unit it really does crap for damage. If you abduct a thor you risk it killing your viper. If you abduct a mothership the Protoss is broke. It could actually be very good if it wasn't abductable. Or if abduct had one less range. Would force the Z to trade corruptors / overseers to kill it or take some risks when going for an abduct. | ||
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Elentos
55458 Posts
On November 25 2019 00:29 sirok_ wrote: It could actually be very good if it wasn't abductable. Or if abduct had one less range. Would force the Z to trade corruptors / overseers to kill it or take some risks when going for an abduct. I would rather units be more directly powerful than simply more bothersome to kill. Abduct range nerf would affect a lot of other interactions as well (mostly it would probably really, really, really hurt ZvMech). | ||
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Lexender
Mexico2623 Posts
On November 25 2019 00:03 Elentos wrote: So ZvP late game is still just spellcaster spam :S I think this is the real issue, TvX matches got insanely better once they reworked the raven, since both terran spellscasters are only useful as support units in low numbers the games tend to be better. When couple of storms or a fungal/PB combo can basically kill an entire air army the games becomes kind of shit. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
If your mothership get abducted three times for free you are evidently doing something wrong. | ||
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Penev
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
e: like the exact opposite of what we just saw. | ||
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stilt
France2746 Posts
It's not a heroic unit. | ||
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Penev
28453 Posts
On November 25 2019 00:38 sneakyfox wrote: This Trap needs to take a page from the Roquefort Rascals if he is to win this one. e: like the exact opposite of what we just saw. I fear this is going to be a quick 3-0 | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
Yeah he needs to get sOs on the phone asap or this is over | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On November 25 2019 00:38 sneakyfox wrote: This Trap needs to take a page from the Roquefort Rascals if he is to win this one. e: like the exact opposite of what we just saw. we need to make this name a thing | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5214 Posts
These games, the action has become limited to harrassment. No one attacks because there is no chance it will work so we just see them play Sim City until we reach late game where the side that is more overpowered in the meta just wins. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On November 25 2019 00:46 BronzeKnee wrote: Man, what SC2 has become. Watch pro games from WOL, chock full of action. MC vs Thorzain for instance for in the TSL 3. These games, the action has become limited to harrassment. No one attacks because there is no chance it will work so we just steamroll to late game where the side that is more overpowered in the meta just wins. lol you clearly haven't watched the rest of the games this tournament. | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24579 Posts
On November 25 2019 00:46 BronzeKnee wrote: Man, what SC2 has become. Watch pro games from WOL, chock full of action. MC vs Thorzain for instance for in the TSL 3. These games, the action has become limited to harrassment. No one attacks because there is no chance it will work so we just see them play Sim City until we reach late game where the side that is more overpowered in the meta just wins. What? | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5214 Posts
On November 25 2019 00:49 sneakyfox wrote: lol you clearly haven't watched the rest of the games this tournament. My timezone doesn't work out well for it =( Give me some games to watch where there is major action before T3. | ||
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HolydaKing
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On November 25 2019 00:46 BronzeKnee wrote: Man, what SC2 has become. Watch pro games from WOL, chock full of action. MC vs Thorzain for instance for in the TSL 3. These games, the action has become limited to harrassment. No one attacks because there is no chance it will work so we just see them play Sim City until we reach late game where the side that is more overpowered in the meta just wins. You sound like a man who would appreciate Parting's or Mana's PvT games | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
Don't you miss the beloved times of the 7-gate robo ? | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On November 25 2019 00:51 BronzeKnee wrote: My timezone doesn't work out well for it =( Give me some games to watch where there is major action before T3. Cure v PartinG Inno v Serral Mana v Special etc... | ||
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HolydaKing
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TheWildShooter
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Heartland
Sweden24579 Posts
On November 25 2019 00:51 Boucot wrote: Don't you miss the beloved times of the 7-gate robo ? Whatever else we think of the meta during a few months or a patch now and then it's clear that late Legacy of the Void is the best Starcraft 2 has ever been. There's tons of actions all the time, build order wins are almost gone, there's comebacks, cool new builds... | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5214 Posts
On November 25 2019 00:54 Heartland wrote: Whatever else we think of the meta during a few months or a patch now and then it's clear that late Legacy of the Void is the best Starcraft 2 has ever been. There's tons of actions all the time, build order wins are almost gone, there's comebacks, cool new builds... Ehh... I hardly think that the ridiculous balance issues PvZ had during last patch with Swarm Host/Nydus build order wins showed anything but the worst Starcraft we've seen since the release of HOTS. | ||
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Penev
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2429 Posts
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On November 25 2019 00:54 Heartland wrote: Whatever else we think of the meta during a few months or a patch now and then it's clear that late Legacy of the Void is the best Starcraft 2 has ever been. There's tons of actions all the time, build order wins are almost gone, there's comebacks, cool new builds... Yeah, it kept getting better and better during LotV, but then the balance team just went underground while the state of the game descended into the most stale and boring it's been since forever. That was such a massive error by Blizzard. Hopefully we will soon be back on track. The new patch certainly looks better, but this time they need to keep tending to it until it's good. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On November 25 2019 00:56 swarminfestor wrote: Two of the best current Korean Zerg players were not here. Really hoped that Rogue and Dark may joined the next HomeStory tourney. Because they didn't want to. If they don't want to join HSC XX I doubt they'd join a more normal one (i.e. not in Tropical Islands)... Also I don't really miss them, Reynor and Serral are representing the Zerg race pretty well. | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24579 Posts
On November 25 2019 00:56 BronzeKnee wrote: Ehh... I hardly think that the ridiculous balance issues PvZ had during last patch with Swarm Host/Nydus build order wins showed anything but the worst Starcraft we've seen since the release of HOTS. Which is why I wrote that part about patches ; ) | ||
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Geo.Rion
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
No Bitterdam on the couch | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On November 25 2019 00:35 Xain0n wrote: If your mothership get abducted three times for free you are evidently doing something wrong. yes, what you did wrong is build three motherships | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On November 25 2019 01:02 Geo.Rion wrote: none of the secondary streams are showing Solar vs Zest? There doesn't seem to be a 2nd English stream this time, the other streams are all from different languages. There used to be Basetradetv during the group stages, RIP. | ||
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Penev
28453 Posts
On November 25 2019 01:03 sneakyfox wrote: https://twitter.com/MrBitterTV/status/1198391602617765888 No Bitterdam on the couch aww, we can't have everything I guess we should though | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On November 25 2019 01:04 Penev wrote: aww, we can't have everything I guess we should though And this HSC we kinda have gotten that. | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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sirok_
33 Posts
Feels bad for Trap. | ||
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Penev
28453 Posts
On November 25 2019 01:06 sneakyfox wrote: And this HSC we kinda have gotten that. We did but I wasn't born in a western country to not want more all the time, come on | ||
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Heartland
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Singapore3054 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
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sneakyfox
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Edit> And BL tanking tempests like champs. ehm... | ||
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HolydaKing
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 25 2019 01:19 HolydaKing wrote: I don't know how Showtime managed to win late game PvZ. Serral was weaker economically, sure, but not THAT weak. He still was maxed out IIRC. Showtime had the better economy for ages. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
Reverse archon toilet was when the Protoss army got cought with the blackhole (due to neural, or just worked out hat way) and the zerg sent in banelings and/or ultras. So what Trap attempted here would have been a simple archon toilet, not a reverse archon toilet | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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Geo.Rion
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On November 25 2019 01:22 deacon.frost wrote: Zest macro strikes again? how are u watching that series? | ||
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sneakyfox
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
They switched there for a second and Zest was just supply blocked? Edit> glad the patch fixed SH/nydu... oh, nvm | ||
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Singapore3054 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 25 2019 01:29 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Is Serral just trying to tell the balance team the patch doesn't even change anything? Well, someone needs to tell them | ||
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sirok_
33 Posts
Serral has more economy and is more cost effective. Trap hoping that Serral will make a mistake that he will never do. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On November 25 2019 01:29 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Is Serral just trying to tell the balance team the patch doesn't even change anything? At least we haven't seen mass infestor. Turns out a handful of Vipers will do the job as well. And yeah, Nydusworms was just ridicolously underpriced before. Zergs get just as many of them now. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
Biggest difference is that the balance team killed glaive builds . | ||
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JJH777
United States4378 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 25 2019 01:34 JJH777 wrote: Welp ZvP still looks absolutely hopeless for Protoss. But the patch!!!! I was told by zergs the patch will fix it | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
On November 25 2019 01:33 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Biggest difference is that the balance team killed glaive builds .Pretty much | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On November 25 2019 01:34 JJH777 wrote: Welp ZvP still looks absolutely hopeless for Protoss. Zest just won 3-1 | ||
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sirok_
33 Posts
On November 25 2019 01:34 deacon.frost wrote: But the patch!!!! I was told by zergs the patch will fix it Skytoss supposedly had no counter anymore. Some obscure theorycrafting about hydra + new shroud ability "might" have a chance against it, but it wasn't clear. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On November 25 2019 01:34 JJH777 wrote: Welp ZvP still looks absolutely hopeless for Protoss. Hold on, Trap is getting a Mothership now. Let's see what happens | ||
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Penev
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 25 2019 01:35 sirok_ wrote: Skytoss supposedly had no counter anymore. Some obscure theorycrafting about hydra + new shroud ability "might" have a chance against it, but it wasn't clear. Yeah, it's so ez to get there... | ||
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yht9657
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
After getting 3-0ed by Reynor, so maybe the takeaway is that Solar isn't very good at ZvP. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15878 Posts
On November 25 2019 01:34 deacon.frost wrote: But the patch!!!! I was told by zergs the patch will fix it tbf players have barely practiced on the new patch | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 25 2019 01:39 Charoisaur wrote: tbf players have barely practiced on the new patch And Trap is bad in PvZ | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On November 25 2019 01:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote: After getting 3-0ed by Reynor, so maybe the takeaway is that Solar isn't very good at ZvP. So he 3-1 Stats yesterday, but he's bad at ZvP. Actually whenever Z loses to P it's because they re bad, and whenever P loses it's balance problems, got it | ||
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yht9657
1810 Posts
On November 25 2019 01:40 Geo.Rion wrote: So he 3-1 Stats yesterday, but he's bad at ZvP. Actually whenever Z loses to P it's because they re bad, and whenever P loses it's balance problems, got it Stats lost because he didn't come here to win. Also it's a fact zvp has been broken for quite a while. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On November 25 2019 01:41 yht9657 wrote: Stats lost because he didn't come here to win. Also it's a fact zvp has been broken for quite a while. There is consensus, that's all one has to say really. | ||
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stilt
France2746 Posts
On November 25 2019 01:35 sirok_ wrote: Skytoss supposedly had no counter anymore. Some obscure theorycrafting about hydra + new shroud ability "might" have a chance against it, but it wasn't clear. If the toss doesn't lose 60 probes to 6 in middle game, I am pretty sure it is not. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On November 25 2019 01:41 yht9657 wrote: Stats lost because he didn't come here to win. Also it's a fact zvp has been broken for quite a while. cool cool cool, someone whose best mu is ZvP beats someone whose worst mu is PvZ, so it means it's unplaybale for toss. But Solar vs Zest doesnt matter, cuz Solar has bad zvp, cool cool cool | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On November 25 2019 01:42 Geo.Rion wrote: cool cool cool, someone whose best mu is ZvP beats someone whose worst mu is PvZ, so it means it's unplaybale for zerg. But Solar vs Zest doesnt matter, cuz Solar has bad zvp, cool cool cool Save the shittalk, we're getting Serral vs Zest next anyhow. | ||
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-visnu-
Australia149 Posts
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Penev
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On November 25 2019 01:45 -visnu- wrote: how long is the break for? I might not last xD 10min? 20min? They probably give the players a few minutes rest. | ||
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yht9657
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On November 25 2019 01:42 Geo.Rion wrote: cool cool cool, someone whose best mu is ZvP beats someone whose worst mu is PvZ, so it means it's unplaybale for toss. But Solar vs Zest doesnt matter, cuz Solar has bad zvp, cool cool cool Well actually I disagree that Solar has bad zvp. I don't think any top zerg player has bad zvp these days. | ||
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Xamo
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On November 25 2019 01:42 The_Red_Viper wrote: There is consensus, that's all one has to say really. Yeah, we all have eyes. PvZ still seems unwinnable if the P takes any amount of damage early or mid game. It is even (?) when it does not (Nydus SH still looks OP for me) Meanwhile, Z can loose up to 10 drones and still be ok. If ahead, there is almost no way to loose. The creep spread assures that. | ||
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sneakyfox
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On November 25 2019 01:42 Geo.Rion wrote: cool cool cool, someone whose best mu is ZvP beats someone whose worst mu is PvZ, so it means it's unplaybale for toss. But Solar vs Zest doesnt matter, cuz Solar has bad zvp, cool cool cool True enough, but I think what it's really about is Nydushost and Zerg blord deathball... We have seen that so much that we have all gotten allergic to it now. But the answer to that is definitely not to make Skytoss deathball strong enough to beat it. | ||
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sneakyfox
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On November 25 2019 01:46 Penev wrote: Let's see how Reynor does vs the pirate, I'm pretty curious I must say Yeah, so hyped for that series. And can we finally get some Koreans on the couch please! | ||
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TheAnarchy
Chile1105 Posts
On November 25 2019 01:47 yht9657 wrote: Well actually I disagree that Solar has bad zvp. I don't think any top zerg player has bad zvp these days. Solar was just sucking in every match. There are like none top Zerg nowadays except Dark choker. | ||
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BronzeKnee
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Did anyone serious believe that patch would change much? | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 25 2019 01:50 BronzeKnee wrote: Did anyone serious believe that patch would change much? I didn;'t event bother to read it because I'm letting the SC2 slowly out of my life. It's just not worth it anymore. All the balance stuff we get lately isn't worth it. Time for another 2-year break .Or longer. | ||
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sneakyfox
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Poll: HomeStory Cup XX Champion? You must be logged in to vote in this poll. ☐ INnoVation | ||
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sirok_
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On November 01 2019 23:54 sirok_ wrote: [...] By the way, I think abduct, parasiting bombs, locusts, mass moving spores, queens heal, will still dominate late-game by being more cost-effective than any T/P composition. Hope to be wrong, time will tell. Hope that Zest will proof me wrong. Go Zest ! | ||
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JJH777
United States4378 Posts
On November 25 2019 01:50 BronzeKnee wrote: Did anyone serious believe that patch would change much? There were a whole lot of Zerg players claiming Carriers would be unbeatable again due to the changes. Lol | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On November 25 2019 01:53 sirok_ wrote: I remember having said this about last patch : Hope that Zest will proof me wrong. Go Zest ! > Zest > late-game I wouldn't get my hopes up. | ||
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TheWildShooter
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On November 25 2019 01:50 BronzeKnee wrote: Did anyone serious believe that patch would change much? Well it did... zealots without charge damage made any toss push much weaker vs zerg, and glaive builds basically dead. | ||
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deacon.frost
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On November 25 2019 02:01 TheAnarchy wrote: A patch can’t change the fact that Koreans don’t train anymore and now they suck. Look at stats form or soO they suck hard. Inno playing at 50% of his lvl is brutalizing everyone. The good old Koreans don't practice excuse | ||
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On November 25 2019 01:52 deacon.frost wrote: I didn;'t event bother to read it because I'm letting the SC2 slowly out of my life. It's just not worth it anymore. All the balance stuff we get lately isn't worth it. Time for another 2-year break .Or longer. And you consider yourself to be serious? The patch is ok if suddenly Trap, who lost both his Code S finals in 2019 because he had subpar ZvP, gets to magically defeat Serral? | ||
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TheAnarchy
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On November 25 2019 02:03 deacon.frost wrote: The good old Koreans don't practice excuse Name me the new Korean talents. It must be a coincidence that the only Koreans top are semiretired players or old Koreans that came to their peak. Trying too ignore this fact is just ridiculous. Not like old days where you had new players coming out like maru, dark, life, long etc. | ||
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deacon.frost
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On November 25 2019 02:10 TheAnarchy wrote: Name me the new Korean talents. It must be a coincidence that the only Koreans top are semiretired players or old Koreans that came to their peak. Trying too ignore this fact is just ridiculous. Not like old days where you had new players coming out like maru, dark, life, long etc. You said that Koreans don't practice, not about no new blood coming in. There's a difference. | ||
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On November 25 2019 02:12 deacon.frost wrote: You said that Koreans don't practice, not about no new blood coming in. There's a difference. Solar, soO, Rogue, a lot of them are saying this and the current scene seems to encourage it, once they get eliminated in ro16, there aren't much things to do for them. At least, their practise is not as regular. | ||
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sirok_
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On November 25 2019 02:10 TheAnarchy wrote: Name me the new Korean talents. It must be a coincidence that the only Koreans top are semiretired players or old Koreans that came to their peak. Trying too ignore this fact is just ridiculous. Not like old days where you had new players coming out like maru, dark, life, long etc. Why no new rising stars among Korean would imply that the current best Koreans players are not practicing ? Even if that argument made sense - it does not - the same logic could apply for top EU. Who are the rising stars among top EU players ? Serral and Reynor are both playing this game since WoL too. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On November 25 2019 02:14 deacon.frost wrote: Shots at mapmakers and map selecters fired. Good shots, IMO. Special is overstating things a bit. The map pool is unfavourable for terran in TvZ but not unduly so: + Show Spoiler [All Liquipedia Results] + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/LgPE4TP.png) + Show Spoiler [Filtered to only include top 100 Aligu…] + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/efx6QZ3.png) | ||
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On November 25 2019 02:15 Penev wrote: Inno might as well wear an eye patch at this point, good for both pirate and patch terran memeness as well That would be great but with the machine running like this I think it will be difficult to make the patch terran memes :| | ||
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sirok_
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On November 25 2019 02:17 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Special is overstating things a bit. The map pool is unfavourable for terran in TvZ but not unduly so: + Show Spoiler [All Liquipedia Results] + + Show Spoiler [Filtered to only include top 100 Aligu…] + In a system where players get matched according to their ELO / prestige, win rate does not mean much. I believe it would made much more "mathematical" sense to assume top 5 Z should approximately equal top 5 T and compare the win rate at this level. | ||
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TheAnarchy
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On November 25 2019 02:16 sirok_ wrote: Why no new rising stars among Korean would imply that the current best Koreans players are not practicing ? Even if that argument made sense - it does not - the same logic could apply for top EU. Who are the rising stars among top EU players ? Serral and Reynor are both playing this game since WoL too. Koreans are not training in general. So new blood isn’t rising because they don’t train. Is not a thing of talent only. Old players have already developed their potential so they don’t need to train as hard to mantain close lvl, that’s a fact in most sports and more in the ones that are more intelectual. NA always trained less then Koreans they didn’t had proteams, so they maintained the lvl of training. In WOL there other foreigners in their peak. Snute, scarlet, neeb, etc. Serral and Raynor are new compared too the old foreigners. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On November 25 2019 02:20 sirok_ wrote: In a system where players get matched according to their ELO / prestige, win rate does not mean much. I believe it would made much more "mathematical" sense to assume top 5 Z should approximately equal top 5 T and compare the win rate at this level. If you only consider the top 10 players then your sample size is non-existent and your results have no statistical significance. Additionally there is a clear difference between different maps, so this at least informs about how good maps are relative to each other. | ||
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On November 25 2019 02:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote: If you only consider the top 10 players then your sample size is non-existent and your results have no statistical significance. Additionally there is a clear difference between different maps, so this at least informs about how good maps are relative to each other. I don't deny a sample size of 10 sucks from a statistical standpoint. I still think it's better than using the result of a top 3 Terran vs Top 20 Zerg as an indicator of map balance. | ||
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On November 25 2019 02:25 sirok_ wrote: I don't deny a sample size of 10 sucks from a statistical standpoint. I still think it's better than using the result of a top 3 Terran vs Top 20 Zerg as an indicator of map balance. The top 3 terrans just don't play enough tournament games on each map for that. Besides your concern over elo unevenness in matchups applies equally for different maps, so it shouldn't bias the results. | ||
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Totally outskilled | ||
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On November 25 2019 02:36 Penev wrote: LLWWW Doubt it. | ||
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Jockmcplop
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On November 25 2019 02:36 parksonsc wrote: Neural parasite is such a joke, not even whining. It makes balancing the game impossible because a buff for a any unit is a buff for zerg. | ||
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ChaosArcher
Germany956 Posts
Kid is 17, where does this stop? | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 25 2019 02:36 Topin wrote: this kid is pretty good Helps having infestors. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On November 25 2019 02:36 HolydaKing wrote: Reynor's ZvT is so good. lol not really he let innovation get back in the game despite his disastrous opening, and innovation made some uncharacteristic mistakes. | ||
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MarianoSC2
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HolydaKing
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Didn't help Serral against Inno, and Serral is also pretty good. | ||
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Slydie
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Balance patch or not, I think Reynor is outplaying Innovation. | ||
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BerserkSword
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On November 25 2019 02:39 TheAnarchy wrote: Inno multitasking was terrible. Bad engagements, letting command centers die without repairing or lifting, sending units nowhere, etc. He was clearly surpassed. As I said inno just at 50% of his old lvl Inno might have been able to end the game if he hadnt forgotten to put his thors on high impact gun when he first pushed with BCs tanks and thors. Then he randomly sent tanks and hellbats off by themselves on a "runby" which you cannot do against infestors. Tanks need to be there to kill infestors when they neural thors. Then there were those forgetting to repair etc. He made a lot of mistakes that game. He shouldve won that easily | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 25 2019 02:38 Lexender wrote: Serral vs Reynor ZvZ finals really get old after a year of it Thankfully they didn't meet in any of the big tourneys like IEM or Blizzcon or Code S. | ||
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JJH777
United States4378 Posts
On November 25 2019 02:39 Xain0n wrote: Inveterate whiners…Thors now outrange Broodlords so much, Neural has range 8 but you just can't stop complaining. Maybe because there are at least 4 Zergs who are basically unbeatable and then 10 other Zergs who can go 50-50 against the best T/P players in the world. I guess all those Zerg players are just better or equal to the best T/P players. I wonder when Zerg will finally lose an event again. | ||
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Lexender
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On November 25 2019 02:42 deacon.frost wrote: Thankfully they didn't meet in any of the big tourneys like IEM or Blizzcon or Code S. Yes, they didn't meet in the tournament where they don't participate, right. I obviously mean WCS (and other foreign tourneys). I really dislike what the foreigner scene has come to, Serral vs Reynor, ZvZ everywhere, it doesn't matter what patch its always the same. It makes the scene feel really stagnant. | ||
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BerserkSword
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anyone remember when they were beefing and threatening each other lmao | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 25 2019 02:50 Topin wrote: 3-0 the machine daaaaaaaamn! Well inno lost every game's early game and then he just lost later because he tried to catch up. In the 2nd map he threw a victory then IMO, because he got back. | ||
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On November 25 2019 02:50 Topin wrote: 3-0 the machine daaaaaaaamn! If he was Protoss or Terran i would not care much, but cleansweeping Innovation as Zerg is quite a feat. | ||
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On November 25 2019 02:54 deacon.frost wrote: Heh, Reynor gonna prove by him playing the game that he's not getting any help from patch. Is he drunk? That doesn't make any sense.He meant that he's going to be successful even in this new patch to show that he wasnt reliant on last patch | ||
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On November 25 2019 02:56 NoS-Craig wrote: It looks like Rotti injured his ankle/foot somehow. He's got in warped up in something. Already preparing the excuses for no shirtless Rotti :D | ||
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Grollicus
Germany287 Posts
On November 25 2019 02:56 NoS-Craig wrote: It looks like Rotti injured his ankle/foot somehow. He's got in warped up in something. He said during the opening that he got hurt somewhere yesterday | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15878 Posts
On November 25 2019 02:57 ChaosArcher wrote: Korean elitists heads exploding trying to figure out how Inno can be the GOAT for beating Serral and a washed up jetlagged ex-pro without practice so Reynors win does not matter at the same time. It's easy. Serral sucks so beating him is not impressive /s | ||
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Slydie
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As good as the observer was, it is simply impossible to show everything that is going on. Reynor has better multi tasking and is forcing Inno to do mistakes by making the ingame announcer cry about attacks everywhere at once, all the time. Of course it helps to play the best a-move race vs the worst, but vs a worse opponent, Innovation can be the one out-multitasking. | ||
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Lexender
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On November 25 2019 02:56 MarianoSC2 wrote: Yeah Inno just played terrible here, while Reynor seems to be in top form. There is really no reason to balance whine after this... I just wish we had a tournaments where either Serral or Reynor don't win (or even theres a final without either of them). Tournaments nowadays are either "Will eithef Serral or Reynor win" or (if they are Blizzcon or GSL vs the world) "Will some korean beat them in the finals" | ||
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Musicus
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"@everyone we decided to do the finals as following ruling: Lower Bracket player has to win bo5 + bo3 , while winner bracket player has to win a bo5. no map advantage" Just so people on LP can update that | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 25 2019 03:01 Lexender wrote: I just wish we had a tournaments where either Serral or Reynor don't win (or even theres a final without either of them). Tournaments nowadays are either "Will eithef Serral or Reynor win" or (if they are Blizzcon or GSL vs the world) "Will some korean beat them in the finals" Top 2 Korean players are not at HSC, I would dare to say top 3 considering vZ MU. | ||
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TheAnarchy
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On November 25 2019 03:01 Lexender wrote: I just wish we had a tournaments where either Serral or Reynor don't win (or even theres a final without either of them). Tournaments nowadays are either "Will eithef Serral or Reynor win" or (if they are Blizzcon or GSL vs the world) "Will some korean beat them in the finals" Koreans don’t train and play terrible why would you them to win? You must want too see the better players play and win. Foreign only tournaments nowadays. We don’t want too see Lazy Koreans sucking. | ||
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TheOneAboveU
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On November 25 2019 03:06 TheAnarchy wrote: Koreans don’t train and play terrible why would you them to win? You must want too see the better players play and win. Foreign only tournaments nowadays. We don’t want too see Lazy Koreans sucking. Your trolling is becoming quite boring quite quickly, dude. Cut it. | ||
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Xain0n
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On November 25 2019 03:00 Charoisaur wrote: It's easy. Serral sucks so beating him is not impressive /s Easy but so glaringly false it hurts. | ||
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HolydaKing
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On November 25 2019 03:04 Musicus wrote: Message from NarutO about the finals in discord just now: "@everyone we decided to do the finals as following ruling: Lower Bracket player has to win bo5 + bo3 , while winner bracket player has to win a bo5. no map advantage" Just so people on LP can update that That'll be confusing for people not reading this. | ||
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On November 25 2019 03:05 deacon.frost wrote: Top 2 Korean players are not at HSC, I would dare to say top 3 considering vZ MU. Thats exactly my point. The foreign scene has become "See who wins in Serral vs Reynor, disregard the rest". Koreans at least had some movement with 3 different protoss competing for top spot and the rise of Dark. | ||
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On November 25 2019 03:07 TheOneAboveU wrote: Your trolling is becoming quite boring quite quickly, dude. Cut it. I’m wrong? There was a time we wanted too see only Koreans (code s) because they where the best. Nowadays foreign are better and getting even better with fresh blood. Why can’t we promote a league of full foreigners and give space too real new talents instead of washed legends? | ||
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TheOneAboveU
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On November 25 2019 03:11 TheAnarchy wrote: I’m wrong? There was a time we wanted too see only Koreans (code s) because they where the best. Nowadays foreign are better and getting even better with fresh blood. Why can’t we promote a league of full foreigners and give space too real new talents instead of washed legends? Yes, you're wrong. There literally is a league for Foreigners, it's called WCS. Not sure if you heard of it. | ||
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On November 25 2019 03:18 Penev wrote: Look, a CEO who actually seems to be human A retired CEO who has nothing to do professionally with the game anymore but still likes to drop by and hang out and watch some games. What a legend. | ||
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On November 25 2019 03:19 sneakyfox wrote: A retired CEO who has nothing to do professionally with the game anymore but still likes to drop by and hang out and watch some games. What a legend. yeah was fun to see him participate in the poker tourney, almost won as well | ||
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TheAnarchy
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On November 25 2019 03:13 TheOneAboveU wrote: Yes, you're wrong. There literally is a league for Foreigners, it's called WCS. Not sure if you heard of it. I just want region lock as good old days | ||
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On November 25 2019 03:06 TheAnarchy wrote: Koreans don’t train and play terrible why would you them to win? You must want too see the better players play and win. Foreign only tournaments nowadays. We don’t want too see Lazy Koreans sucking. I guess you are trolling but 9 out of 10 Koreans advanced from the group stage with the 10th one coming in at a close 5th. In the knockout stage, if you don't consider Serral and Reynor, the Koreans have gone 4-1 against foreigners in series, with the 1 upset being MaNa beating Taeja 3-2. With 2 noteable exceptions, the Koreans are still better, especially if you take into account that all the best foreigners were present while many top Koreans are missing: 4 of the Koreans present were knocked out in the RO32 last GSL and one did not even qualify for Code S. | ||
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HolydaKing
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On November 25 2019 03:23 Boucot wrote: I didn't watch the first two days but I feel like there is a lack of "diversity" on the casting couch. As much as I like watching Rotti and Artosis, they have commentated quite a lot this HSC and I haven't seen much random combinations like there usually are. At least way less compared to some older editions. You're not wrong. I haven't missed much in this HSC and I haven't seen a single korean cast, for example. | ||
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TheOneAboveU
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On November 25 2019 03:26 HolydaKing wrote: You're not wrong. I haven't missed much in this HSC and I haven't seen a single korean cast, for example. I think we had PartinG and Hajin on the couch on Day 1. | ||
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On November 25 2019 03:26 HolydaKing wrote: You're not wrong. I haven't missed much in this HSC and I haven't seen a single korean cast, for example. I agree - but actually Rotti hasn't been there so much, maybe because of the injury. | ||
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MarianoSC2
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On November 25 2019 03:09 Lexender wrote: Thats exactly my point. The foreign scene has become "See who wins in Serral vs Reynor, disregard the rest". Koreans at least had some movement with 3 different protoss competing for top spot and the rise of Dark. But what would you want to do about it? Tell Serral and Reynor to stop practicing and start playing worse so the other foreigners can catch up? Those 2 are simply the best 2 foreigners by quite a big margin | ||
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FORGE FORGE FORGE | ||
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JJH777
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On November 25 2019 03:28 MarianoSC2 wrote: But what would you want to do about it? Tell Serral and Reynor to stop practicing and start playing worse so the other foreigners can catch up? Those 2 are simply the best 2 foreigners by quite a big margin I'm not convinced they would be dramatically better than Neeb/Special in a balanced meta. They'd still be favored but like 65-35 instead of 90-10 | ||
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sneakyfox
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On November 25 2019 03:30 Penev wrote: come on now Zest FORGE FORGE FORGE Be all you can be, become a cannoneer e: no forge again... I guess Triton has a similar climate to Frost, maybe that feels more right to Zest? | ||
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On November 25 2019 03:30 JJH777 wrote: I'm not convinced they would be dramatically better than Neeb/Special in a balanced meta. They'd still be favored but like 65-35 instead of 90-10 I am starting to think that if you reach a certain level with Zerg, the core mechanics of production and map control makes it incredibly hard to stop. Nerfing zerg so much that Serral and Reynor are not dominant will probably make the race underpowered for everybody else. We have seen similar issues with Terran also, notably with Byun and Maru. | ||
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deacon.frost
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On November 25 2019 03:33 Slydie wrote: I am starting to think that if you reach a certain level with Zerg, the core mechanics of production and map control makes it incredibly hard to stop. Nerfing zerg so much that Serral and Reynor are not dominant will probably make the race underpowered for everybody else. We have seen similar issues with Terran also, notably with Byun and Maru. Nah, it's not like they are dominating every tournament they join. They didn't win Blizzcon nor IEM, two of the biggest tournaments of the year while the Blizzcon was during a heavy Zerg favoring state of the game. (although another Zerg won it ) | ||
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FORGE FORGE FORGE | ||
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On November 25 2019 03:33 Slydie wrote: I am starting to think that if you reach a certain level with Zerg, the core mechanics of production and map control makes it incredibly hard to stop. Nerfing zerg so much that Serral and Reynor are not dominant will probably make the race underpowered for everybody else. We have seen similar issues with Terran also, notably with Byun and Maru. It's not just Serral and Reynor though. It's also Rogue and Dark. 4 Zergs who happen to be way better than all the best T/P players? | ||
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On November 25 2019 03:46 swarminfestor wrote: Zest had many chances and still lost. Serral is the better player but it’s ridiculous that a Zerg can completely botch a massive all in in which half the queens die and still compete like that. And then blow up an army of robo stalker with banes | ||
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On November 25 2019 03:46 HolydaKing wrote: Can't wait for the Inno vs Serral rematch. Yeah but Inno made many more mistakes vs Reynor so I'm not sure it's going to be as fun as before. Serral may just 3-0. On November 25 2019 03:46 BerserkSword wrote: It’s kind of dumb how that many armored units just die to banes It's even dumber to walk on creep with your clumped up army just before +1 and colossus range finishes. | ||
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On November 25 2019 03:48 sneakyfox wrote: Yeah but Inno made many more mistakes vs Reynor so I'm not sure it's going to be as fun as before. Serral may just 3-0. It's even dumber to walk on creep with you're clumped up army just before +1 and colossus range finishes. Yea not saying zest didn’t make mistakes but serral also made mistakes all game and he didn’t lose the game because of it | ||
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On November 25 2019 03:57 sneakyfox wrote: What is the plan with those zealots?? guard that gas geyser | ||
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On November 25 2019 03:59 sneakyfox wrote: S T R I D E S T R I D E AND S H R O U D | ||
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On November 25 2019 04:07 TheOneAboveU wrote: What is Zest doing?! He's just trolling us at this point. Build a big army, don't use it. Build a shitload of production, have it all smashed by a single Nydus that he had a DT to prevent. | ||
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On November 25 2019 04:11 Musicus wrote: just one shroud please serral | ||
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On November 25 2019 04:11 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I don't know why Zest hasn't built 40 cannons and 40 shield batteries. Can't be worse than building 20 gateways. Get HasuObs here immediately, he'll get this right! | ||
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On November 25 2019 04:06 sneakyfox wrote: That was so anticlimactic The start of the end, he lost an expansion because of that and much of his production. | ||
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On November 25 2019 04:15 Charoisaur wrote: at least ZvP lategame looks balanced now (no sarcasm) Yup. Zest just looked confused or something | ||
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On November 25 2019 04:16 Musicus wrote: should've casted shroud on zest's army at least once The BM shroud?! | ||
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On November 25 2019 04:16 Musicus wrote: should've casted shroud on zest's army at least once Yeah manner shrouds should be a thing | ||
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Best use the abilty has imo. | ||
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Zerg players don't like shroudcasting. | ||
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Still waiting to see one, i dont even know the animation right now | ||
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On November 25 2019 04:13 TheOneAboveU wrote: Get HasuObs here immediately, he'll get this right! If a 4-time EPS champion can't figure it out, honestly who can ? | ||
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I am not sure if I like that dance between 2 big deathball and a battle of who can land the best spells but at least it looks like the player with the better control will win. | ||
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On November 25 2019 04:16 Penev wrote: I'm very much not a fan of abduct and not just because it looks stupid I'm very much not a fan of the fact that abduct and neural exist at the same time. | ||
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On November 25 2019 04:22 Xain0n wrote: To win this tournament, Serral has to take down both of his worst nemesis. go Serral! | ||
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On November 25 2019 04:20 HolydaKing wrote: Oracle revelation definitely is crucial to prevent abducts with templars, Zest did that but not often enough I think. High templar with 9 range storm are a lot worse against 10 range lurkers tbf. | ||
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On November 25 2019 04:23 ZigguratOfUr wrote: High templar with 9 range storm are a lot worse against 10 range lurkers tbf. I was talking about feedback, and yeah, that's a problem and makes it incredibly hard to play. | ||
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On November 25 2019 04:21 Penev wrote: shroud should be able to block 50% of mules being called down lmao, that is great | ||
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On November 25 2019 04:22 Xain0n wrote: To win this tournament, Serral has to take down both of his worst nemesis. so true, pretty cool | ||
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On November 25 2019 04:22 Xain0n wrote: To win this tournament, Serral has to take down both of his worst nemesis. Such a sick setup for the final two series. Couldn't wish for a better top 3 and Reynor being the coming from the winners bracket is awesome too. Let's go | ||
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On November 25 2019 04:21 Elentos wrote: I'm very much not a fan of the fact that abduct and neural exist at the same time. mm I do like tentacles and tongues tho e: and possibly shrouds as well but not sure, never actually seen one | ||
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On November 25 2019 04:23 ZigguratOfUr wrote: High templar with 9 range storm are a lot worse against 10 range lurkers tbf. Storm out ranges lurker when you consider the radius. Lurkers also have to burrow to start doing damage. And the projectile is slow meaning ht are safe. Not to mention war prism. Tempest cover fire, disruptor etc | ||
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On November 25 2019 04:30 Penev wrote: maybe we will see shrouds used in the finals vs mutas Wouldnt fungal growth just be better in that senario? Unlike the rest of people I dont think it's bad per say it's just that zerg always has better options. I think it would be most effective vs a mass liberator comp but even in that senario just abducting the libs with vipers seems like a better counter. | ||
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On November 25 2019 04:19 Geo.Rion wrote: Still waiting to see one, i dont even know the animation right now Just for you! ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/6UdhoEJ.jpg) | ||
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Looks a lot like casting Plague on your own units. | ||
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the red storm thing that looks like something negative? | ||
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On November 25 2019 04:36 royalroadweed wrote: Wouldnt fungal growth just be better in that senario? Unlike the rest of people I dont think it's bad per say it's just that zerg always has better options. I think it would be most effective vs a mass liberator comp but even in that senario just abducting the libs with vipers seems like a better counter. Hehe, I wasn't being serious I was mostly saying Inno will lose next match but yeah I agree with your post | ||
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On November 25 2019 04:30 Penev wrote: maybe we will see shrouds used in the finals vs mutas Problem with shroud is it's Hive Tech, it should be Lair tech or not even require an upgrade, like infested terran was. | ||
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On November 25 2019 04:39 HolydaKing wrote: the red storm thing that looks like something negative? Yep! Yeah the blood red is kinda weird on something defensive. Also it's kinda hard to cover your hydras since you want them in an arc and not balled up. | ||
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On November 25 2019 04:40 Synaesthesia242 wrote: Problem with shroud is it's Hive Tech, it should be Lair tech or not even require an upgrade, like infested terran was. Agreed, no idea why they made it a hive tech upgrade, it just so much worse than infested terrans and you had those by default. | ||
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On November 25 2019 05:16 samAel1 wrote: Another boring zvz finals?:< Glad they aren't boring, although I admit I don't really need to see another Reynor vs Serral. | ||
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On November 25 2019 05:16 samAel1 wrote: Another boring zvz finals?:< you made a new account to contribute this to the conversation? | ||
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On November 25 2019 05:15 BerserkSword wrote: Sigh. I’m out if it’s gonna be zvz finals I'm so done with all the Zerg finals. Can other races maybe get a win every once in a while? | ||
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On November 25 2019 05:16 darklycid wrote: Reynor and Serral are both really good players but i don't want 4 Serral Reynor finals in wcs next year If region lock doesn't end that is exactly what were getting. | ||
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On November 25 2019 05:19 sneakyfox wrote: If region lock doesn't end that is exactly what were getting. That's assuming many things, like that there are 4 wcs events next year, that the game doesn't get patched so that Neeb murders zergs again etc. | ||
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On November 25 2019 05:19 Jerom wrote: I'm so done with all the Zerg finals. Can other races maybe get a win every once in a while? then they should practice harder | ||
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On November 25 2019 05:21 HolydaKing wrote: That's assuming many things, like that there are 4 wcs events next year, that the game doesn't get patched so that Neeb murders zergs again etc. Yeah okay, but Reynor and Serral belong among the very best players, I just don't think you can say that about Neeb, not even in 2017. | ||
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VERSUS ZEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERG | ||
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On November 25 2019 05:21 HolydaKing wrote: That's assuming many things, like that there are 4 wcs events next year, that the game doesn't get patched so that Neeb murders zergs again etc. That assumes that the top Koreans will travel there. Which doesn't seem much likely either | ||
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On November 25 2019 05:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: ZEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERG VERSUS ZEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERG which is the one with the extra E? | ||
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On November 25 2019 05:23 NotSoHappy wrote: i open this thread to find some decent discussion about the games and all i get is balance whine. arent u people tired? Yes. Tired of every final being a ZvZ. | ||
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On November 25 2019 05:23 NotSoHappy wrote: i open this thread to find some decent discussion about the games and all i get is balance whine. arent u people tired? Tired of zerg winning everything yea | ||
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On November 25 2019 05:24 Musicus wrote: We broke 30k on the main stream, well over 40k with all the streams. Pretty sick. It's nice but I'm mostly excited by the fact the schedule is holding. It would just be a travesty if those nice old folks in Berlin were kept up past midnight again. | ||
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On November 25 2019 05:23 NotSoHappy wrote: i open this thread to find some decent discussion about the games and all i get is balance whine. arent u people tired? people had hope that with the new patch we were going to escape the ZvZvZ hell we endure and suffer for more than one year. It's hard when hope is so brutally murdered. People are tired, very tired... of ZvZcraft. | ||
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On November 25 2019 05:26 TheAnarchy wrote: Zerg wins because other players sucks. Inno was raped with Lings and banes how did you make it to 1k posts with that posting style? | ||
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On November 25 2019 05:23 deacon.frost wrote: That assumes that the top Koreans will travel there. Which doesn't seem much likely either You were predicting zero koreans going to ASUS Rog, we had almost a dozen; koreans will come if they'll have the opportunity! | ||
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On November 25 2019 05:27 LordYama wrote: What is the format for Grand Finals? What would Serral have to do to win the championship? Win a bo5 then win a bo3. Reynor just has to win a bo5. | ||
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On November 25 2019 05:26 tigon_ridge wrote: Reynor and Serral carrying the foreigners scene so severely right now, it's not even funny. Two lords among a sea of peasants. Even after the hard nerf to zerg, they's still head and shoulders above every other foreigner. Good work, boys. Yes, so heavy nerfs they are still winning. Maybe, just maybe, they weren't so big nerfs after all... | ||
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On November 25 2019 05:27 LordYama wrote: What is the format for Grand Finals? What would Serral have to do to win the championship? win a BO5 and then a BO3 as well, Reynor just the BO5 | ||
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On November 25 2019 05:28 deacon.frost wrote: Yes, so heavy nerfs they are still winning. Maybe, just maybe, they weren't so big nerfs after all... Maybe, just maybe, they played better in this tournament. Solar was slaughtering every Protoss in Korea before the patch and here he fell to both Trap and Zest... | ||
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On November 25 2019 05:27 Xain0n wrote: You were predicting zero koreans going to ASUS Rog, we had almost a dozen; koreans will come if they'll have the opportunity! Let's skip the rule. All the top players in Korea were asked. Dark, Rogue and Maru skipped. What makes you think that the top, KEY WORD BEING THE TOP, just change their minds and go to join WCS now? Not that i care, but i cannot bare when you twist my words. KEYWORAD IS THE TOP. On November 25 2019 05:29 Jerom wrote: I'm so immensely disappointed. This might not even be balance related, because Serral and Reynor are obviously very good, but 2019 has just been terrible as a Terran fan. I had high hopes for this tournament, so it feels absolutely horrible for this to be another ZvZ. If this keeps up much longer, I don't know if I want to continue watching starcraft anymore. This year is draining my passion hard. Zergs just played better, deal with it. Or stop watching SC2 and send the message where it hurts the most. Which will be my case. And yes, that's like the worst solution to the SC2. | ||
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On November 25 2019 05:27 Musicus wrote: Win a bo5 then win a bo3. Reynor just has to win a bo5. Does this mean that they reset the score if Serral goes e.g. 3-0? Before playing the Bo3. | ||
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On November 25 2019 05:30 deacon.frost wrote: Let's skip the rule. All the top players in Korea were asked. Dark, Rogue and Maru skipped. What makes you think that the top, KEY WORD BEING THE TOP, just change their minds and go to join WCS now? Not that i care, but i cannot bare when you twist my words. KEYWORAD IS THE TOP. Hm? There were invites and qualifiers for ASUS Rog? Not to mention Stats went there and won the tournament. Rogue has been to HSC before, he may very well join. Maru doesn't like to travel, but he is not winning any weekender so you shouldn't miss him that much. Dark travels when the tournament is worth. Also, those players have team who would pay for all of their travels. | ||
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On November 25 2019 05:31 D-light wrote: Oh nice to see everyone being miserable here with the same old REE'ing about ZvZ. Honestly I think people are mostly just miserable because we didn't get any BM shrouds. Not. A. Single. One. | ||
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On November 25 2019 05:31 sneakyfox wrote: Does this mean that they reset the score if Serral goes e.g. 3-0? Before playing the Bo3. Judging by how the rules are written on the liquipedia page, I think so. I'm a huge reynor fan but I don't like this rule very much and tbh I don't like the +1 game rule either. | ||
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On November 25 2019 05:28 deacon.frost wrote: Yes, so heavy nerfs they are still winning. Maybe, just maybe, they weren't so big nerfs after all... LOL Everyone bitched about how IT was the worst thing about zerg nexus to nydus, and it got removed. Nydus got a decent nerf. They gave infestors a useless spell, that will probably hardly ever get used. Plenty of zergs out there that are not dominating like these two. Solar and soO both got obliterated. Solar barely made it out of his group, and Inno made 1st place in his, over Reynor. Maybe, just maybe, you're a perpetual balance wiener? | ||
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On November 25 2019 05:31 sneakyfox wrote: Does this mean that they reset the score if Serral goes e.g. 3-0? Before playing the Bo3. Yeah it's like winning a set in tennis. Whether you win 6-0 or 7-6 doesn't matter. | ||
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Two of the best players in the world meeting in the final does not mean a lot. If tons of zerg players had advanced from the group stage ok, but we had just 1 from each group. Overall the best players did as expected, except Stats imo. | ||
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On November 25 2019 05:34 Musicus wrote: People surprised about a ZvZ final when you have both Reynor and Serral in the tournament. Two of the best players in the world meeting in the final does not mean a lot. If tons of zerg players had advanced from the group stage ok, but we had just 1 from each group. Overall the best players did as expected, except Stats imo. After a year of Zerg dominance seeing another Zerg dominance after a patch addressing said dominance, i don't know, maybe people are just disappointed? People would be bitching even if there were Dark and Rogue. | ||
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On November 25 2019 05:34 Poopi wrote: The finals might be a ZvZ but I'll be able to watch NW offline phase live! Fuck yeah, hopefully France qualifies Other than that, go Serral, I want to see him take revenge on the zerg prodigy At the O'Gaming studios ? | ||
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On November 25 2019 05:35 rasi86 wrote: Hope Blizzard watched closely and reacts properly with the upcoming patch. buff shroud? | ||
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Fixed that for you. | ||
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On November 25 2019 05:36 deacon.frost wrote: After a year of Zerg dominance seeing another Zerg dominance after a patch addressing said dominance, i don't know, maybe people are just disappointed? People would be bitching even if there were Dark and Rogue. Serral vs Reynor finale is awesome and not surprising. They are the two best players that entered the tournament - only Dark and maybe Maru are on the same level, and they were not present. | ||
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On November 25 2019 05:29 Jerom wrote: I'm so immensely disappointed. This might not even be balance related, because Serral and Reynor are obviously very good, but 2019 has just been terrible as a Terran fan. I had high hopes for this tournament, so it feels absolutely horrible for this to be another ZvZ. If this keeps up much longer, I don't know if I want to continue watching starcraft anymore. This year is draining my passion hard. These two have shown the best gameplay out of anyone at the tournament by far...... it's a very deserved finals. Are you only a fan of the terran race and not the game as a whole? Makes no sense to me..a terran finished 3rd place. There were a lot of insane series with terran involved (Cure, Innovation) ... what's there to be sad about? Reynor vs Serral is the rivalry right now | ||
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On November 25 2019 05:41 Musicus wrote: Will we actually see shirtless Rotti? You can be sure of that, tbh. | ||
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On November 25 2019 05:42 BerserkSword wrote: Been waiting for an incontrol tribute. Did I miss it? Yeah, there was one right at the very beginning of Day 1. | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On November 25 2019 05:36 deacon.frost wrote: After a year of Zerg dominance seeing another Zerg dominance after a patch addressing said dominance, i don't know, maybe people are just disappointed? People would be bitching even if there were Dark and Rogue. The actual games looked a lot better so that's what matters to me. Both players deserve to be in the finals and even won in situations that were considered to be poor for Zerg going into the tournament. Doesn't make sense to whine about results rather than games, and the games have been far less cancerous than what we've had previously this year. Plus, after the shock upset of Reynor beating Serral at Blizzcon, this series has quite a nice story to it. I think it has the potential to be really close as well, which I'm not sure would've been the case with Inno. | ||
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HolydaKing
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On November 25 2019 05:42 BerserkSword wrote: Been waiting for an incontrol tribute. Did I miss it? You did. https://streamable.com/rs4da | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On November 25 2019 05:43 TheOneAboveU wrote: Yeah, there was one right at the very beginning of Day 1. Ooo damn Thanks for info | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15878 Posts
On November 25 2019 05:34 tigon_ridge wrote: LOL Everyone bitched about how IT was the worst thing about zerg nexus to nydus, and it got removed. Nydus got a decent nerf. They gave infestors a useless spell, that will probably hardly ever get used. Plenty of zergs out there that are not dominating like these two. Solar and soO both got obliterated. Solar barely made it out of his group, and Inno made 1st place in his, over Reynor. Maybe, just maybe, you're a perpetual balance wiener? and at the same time lurkers got a huge buff. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 25 2019 05:43 blooblooblahblah wrote: The actual games looked a lot better so that's what matters to me. Both players deserve to be in the finals and even won in situations that were considered to be poor for Zerg going into the tournament. Doesn't make sense to whine about results rather than games, and the games have been far less cancerous than what we've had previously this year. Plus, after the shock upset of Reynor beating Serral at Blizzcon, this series has quite a nice story to it. I think it has the potential to be really close as well, which I'm not sure would've been the case with Inno. There were games lost to mass neural, to bl/infestor, to nydus/sh. Either I have a very bad luck at picking games to see or ... Anyway, gotta go, ZvZ isn't anything I would like to watch. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15878 Posts
On November 25 2019 05:40 MockHamill wrote: Serral vs Reynor finale is awesome and not surprising. They are the two best players that entered the tournament - only Dark and maybe Maru are on the same level, and they were not present. so 3 of the best 4 players in the world play Zerg? | ||
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Penev
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On November 25 2019 05:45 deacon.frost wrote: There were games lost to mass neural, to bl/infestor, to nydus/sh. Either I have a very bad luck at picking games to see or ... Anyway, gotta go, ZvZ isn't anything I would like to watch. why not? double the shroud odds | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
I play a game where I have plenty of shroud, so I don't need to | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On November 25 2019 05:45 deacon.frost wrote: There were games lost to mass neural, to bl/infestor, to nydus/sh. Either I have a very bad luck at picking games to see or ... Anyway, gotta go, ZvZ isn't anything I would like to watch. The difference is these strategies actually look beatable now. I know some people want every strategy that isn't M/L/B to be unviable, but I'd rather keep the difference unit compositions in fact, but healthier. None of the Bl/Infestor or Nydus/SH games looked unplayable at all. | ||
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ChaosArcher
Germany956 Posts
On November 25 2019 04:33 ChaosArcher wrote: They are gonna use shirtless Rotti as the traditional pre-final donation bait, aren't they? :D Called it :D | ||
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romson87
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stilt
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
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Charoisaur
Germany15878 Posts
On November 25 2019 05:34 Musicus wrote: People surprised about a ZvZ final when you have both Reynor and Serral in the tournament. Two of the best players in the world meeting in the final does not mean a lot. If tons of zerg players had advanced from the group stage ok, but we had just 1 from each group. Overall the best players did as expected, except Stats imo. nobody denies that Serral and Reynor are good but I don't think the players of the other races suck either. All the best Protoss players were present except Neeb, so better Protoss performance should be expected. Yes, Terran was missing TY and Maru but Zerg was also missing Rogue and Dark but it still didn't prevent a ZvZ finals. | ||
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sneakyfox
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On November 25 2019 05:50 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Hard to believe it happened. Next thing you know NoRegret is actually going to eat that shoe. For HSC XXX, when TaKe tries to raise enough to hold the tournament on the moon. (and succeeds) | ||
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Xain0n
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On November 25 2019 05:51 Charoisaur wrote: nobody denies that Serral and Reynor are good but I don't think the players of the other races suck either. All the best Protoss players were present except Neeb, so better Protoss performance should be expected. Yes, Terran was missing TY and Maru but Zerg was also missing Rogue and Dark but it still didn't prevent a ZvZ finals. Can't you just believe Reynor and Serral played better today? Did you watch the games? Zest could have easily gone up 2-1 against Serral if he were more decisive, playing just like he was doing. | ||
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Penev
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On November 25 2019 05:53 Xain0n wrote: Can't you just believe Reynor and Serral played better today? Did you watch the games? Zest could have easily gone up 2-1 against Serral if he were more decisive, playing just like he was doing. you 2 should go to the next HSC and meet up! | ||
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TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
On November 25 2019 05:54 Penev wrote: you 2 should go to the next HSC and meet up! I like this idea. Should pitch it to TaKe, it would make great filler content. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On November 25 2019 05:54 Penev wrote: you 2 should go to the next HSC and meet up! Lmfoa | ||
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
Yes there was a flash sell of 40 tickets, was lucky to see the tweet 1mn after it's posted and I rushed to take one ticket | ||
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Dave4
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On November 25 2019 05:51 Charoisaur wrote: nobody denies that Serral and Reynor are good but I don't think the players of the other races suck either. All the best Protoss players were present except Neeb, so better Protoss performance should be expected. Yes, Terran was missing TY and Maru but Zerg was also missing Rogue and Dark but it still didn't prevent a ZvZ finals. You really can't handle foreigners being good can you... They played the best on the day. Innovation won a series vs Serral, so clearly it's not unwinnable. Just Reynor and Serral are super hot players at the moment and also far more consistent than any of the Koreans who attended (honorable mention to Trap though). | ||
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sneakyfox
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On November 25 2019 05:55 TheOneAboveU wrote: I like this idea. Should pitch it to TaKe, it would make great filler content. I dunno mate, I think they need a special license to show that kind of stuff. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15878 Posts
On November 25 2019 05:56 Dave4 wrote: You really can't handle foreigners being good can you... They played the best on the day. Innovation won a series vs Serral, so clearly it's not unwinnable. Just Reynor and Serral are super hot players at the moment and also far more consistent than any of the Koreans who attended (honorable mention to Trap though). who said anything on foreigners vs koreans? | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On November 25 2019 05:55 TheOneAboveU wrote: I like this idea. Should pitch it to TaKe, it would make great filler content. The stream would get banned for acts of violence. | ||
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TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
On November 25 2019 05:56 sneakyfox wrote: I dunno mate, I think they need a special license to show that kind of stuff. Can make it Pay per View to finance the next four HSCs as well. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On November 25 2019 05:55 TheOneAboveU wrote: I like this idea. Should pitch it to TaKe, it would make great filler content. I like this idea, too. I have nothing against Charoisaur as a person, we just have completely different points of view regarding Sc2. | ||
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stilt
France2746 Posts
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
On November 25 2019 05:57 Charoisaur wrote: who said anything on foreigners vs koreans? I think it's still a bit too early to be sure. Hopefully things aren't so bad as last patch (it's hard to top anyways) But usually zergs tend to do well after a few weeks of a new patch, so it's maybe worrying / kinda weird they are still doing surprisingly well. | ||
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Dave4
494 Posts
On November 25 2019 05:57 Charoisaur wrote: who said anything on foreigners vs koreans? You, in every post you've ever written pretty much. | ||
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HolydaKing
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On November 25 2019 05:59 stilt wrote: I must admit, I was pretty sure Zerg late game would be bad and wouldn't have bet on a zvz final. Happy I was wrong Same here. | ||
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JJH777
United States4378 Posts
On November 25 2019 05:53 Xain0n wrote: Can't you just believe Reynor and Serral played better today? Did you watch the games? Zest could have easily gone up 2-1 against Serral if he were more decisive, playing just like he was doing. I could believe they played better today. I can't believe soO, Dark, Rogue, Elazer, Solar, Serral, and Reynor have all played better than the multitude of T/P players who haven't done as well as them this year. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On November 25 2019 05:51 Charoisaur wrote: nobody denies that Serral and Reynor are good but I don't think the players of the other races suck either. All the best Protoss players were present except Neeb, so better Protoss performance should be expected. Yes, Terran was missing TY and Maru but Zerg was also missing Rogue and Dark but it still didn't prevent a ZvZ finals. Hm, what would be better Protoss performance? Way more Protoss advanced than Zergs from the group stage. We had 1 Protoss in the top 4, seems about right when i look at the lineup. Sure we could've had two with Stats/Trap in the tournament, but you never know. I think it's pretty cool that Inno made top3 already and with TY/Maru/Dark missing, that final just seems right. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On November 25 2019 06:03 JJH777 wrote: I could believe they played better today. I can't believe soO, Dark, Rogue, Elazer, Solar, Serral, and Reynor have all played better than the multitude of T/P players who haven't done as well as them this year. Those were other patches. The one that hit post GSL vs The World was especially poor and too favourable to Zerg. | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On November 25 2019 05:59 Poopi wrote: I think it's still a bit too early to be sure. Hopefully things aren't so bad as last patch (it's hard to top anyways) But usually zergs tend to do well after a few weeks of a new patch, so it's maybe worrying / kinda weird they are still doing surprisingly well. I'm mostly a big fan of the patch but it's not as crazy (and far more balanced) than previous end-of-year stuff. Zerg doesn't need to relearn drone timings and defensive timings like they've had to in the past so the transitions has felt a lot smoother. Feels like they still haven't fully figured out how to defend the new mech very well but they kinda got a bit lucky that the only Terran who survived far doesn't like mech in TvZ (and ofc, Reynor scrapped by Cure in close games). Otherwise, they've adapted very quickly cos it's much of the same, they're just a bit weaker. | ||
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Obamarauder
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On November 25 2019 06:03 JJH777 wrote: I could believe they played better today. I can't believe soO, Dark, Rogue, Elazer, Solar, Serral, and Reynor have all played better than the multitude of T/P players who haven't done as well as them this year. Not a whine post but zergs just easier to play for weekend tournaments. u need refined builds and diverse strategy as terran and protoss to compete | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On November 25 2019 06:07 Nebuchad wrote: Funny, we all say balance but we all mean "My guys should be winning" Balance might also mean zerg not winning 2/3 of tournaments. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12043 Posts
On November 25 2019 06:09 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Balance might also mean zerg not winning 2/3 of tournaments. There's been 1 tournament. Any race that would have won it would have won 1/1 of tournaments. | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
This actually is better than Blizzcon. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On November 25 2019 06:10 Nebuchad wrote: There's been 1 tournament. Any race that would have won it would have won 1/1 of tournaments. Zerg's won two thirds of the tournaments this year, two thirds of the tournaments last year, a ZvZ final ain't a promising beginning for 2020. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 25 2019 06:10 Nebuchad wrote: There's been 1 tournament. Any race that would have won it would have won 1/1 of tournaments. Well, it's still part of 2k19. And the changes weren't that drastic to say it's a huge rework. | ||
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ChaosArcher
Germany956 Posts
On November 25 2019 06:11 [F_]aths wrote: Applause for TakeSen. This actually is better than Blizzcon. One small German boi against a billion dollar company, The madman actually did it. So awesome. | ||
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Penev
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On November 25 2019 06:14 ChaosArcher wrote: One small German boi against a billion dollar company, The madman actually did it. So awesome. yeah, he truly is a zerg, I Mean winner! ;D | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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A million units roling in with minimal micro required while the other races just die to it, creep everywhere with static d approaching your bases, super potent spellcasting combos, ferrari overlords scouting every move, etc. I think zerg is by far the best race if you want to be consistent at the very top right now, so yeah they might play well but it always feels like it might just be a little easier to do so. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12043 Posts
On November 25 2019 06:13 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Zerg's won two thirds of the tournaments this year, two thirds of the tournaments last year, a ZvZ final ain't a promising beginning for 2020. Yes, I agree with your assessment that my guys should be winning  | ||
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LTCM
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On November 25 2019 05:53 Xain0n wrote: Can't you just believe Reynor and Serral played better today? Did you watch the games? Zest could have easily gone up 2-1 against Serral if he were more decisive, playing just like he was doing. Yes, and they played better the day before and the day before and the day before and the day before......... And then suddenly you realize all the zergs have been playing better for the last two years. Magic! | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12043 Posts
On November 25 2019 06:15 The_Red_Viper wrote: Obviously there is bias from pretty much everyone engaging in these conversations (including what i am about to say), but when i look at these ZvX games i don't really have the feeling that zerg can lose if they play well. If they have a decent opening and don't completely fail (apparently killing your own expo isn't enough either!) they always seem to be favored. A million units roling in with minimal micro required while the other races just die to it, creep everywhere with static d approaching your bases, super potent spellcasting combos, ferrari overlords scouting every move, etc. I think zerg is by far the best race if you want to be consistent at the very top right now, so yeah they might play well but it always feels like it might just be a little easier to do so. Zerg was absurdly op before the patch. We don't have enough information to know if it's still the case now. There is no result that this tournament could have had that would have given us this information, and acting like it's the case is weird. | ||
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sneakyfox
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"I don't think we could have scripted this any better" | ||
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tigon_ridge
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On November 25 2019 06:08 Dave4 wrote: I don't understand the balance whine at all, they literally just had a major nerf. Zerg had the least players in Ro16. It just happens that 2 of the top 3 players in the world are in the tournament and it's unsurprising that they reached the finals. People should be applauding them for making it in spite of the nerf which claimed all other zergs in the tournament. I did say after the september power rank article that Reynor deserved to be in the top 10, and that his prior losses to koreans weren't representative of his average performance. Aligulac showed that clearly, and it's only recently that his tournament results began to reflect his rating. This is proof that judging players by their most recent tournament results is just plain stupid, especially given how coin-flippy the single-elimination format is. If this tournament wasn't a double elimination, everyone would say that Inno crushed Serral. | ||
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Kriasrub
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On November 25 2019 06:11 [F_]aths wrote: Applause for TakeSen. This actually is better than Blizzcon. Without any exaggeration: imo, the Homestory Cup is the best eSports event period. I know it's not the most "serious business" at times, but I just feel like there's nothing that comes close. | ||
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ChaosArcher
Germany956 Posts
On November 25 2019 06:20 sneakyfox wrote: rofl, Rotti with the slip "I don't think we could have scripted this any better" The "if we tried" was implied here :D | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On November 25 2019 06:19 LTCM wrote: Yes, and they played better the day before and the day before and the day before and the day before......... And then suddenly you realize all the zergs have been playing better for the last two years. Magic! That's the thing, it's not all the zergs, look a the race distribution in the ro16. 4 zergs. Reynor, Serral, soO, Solar. What is there to complain about? | ||
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sneakyfox
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On November 25 2019 06:21 ChaosArcher wrote: The "if we tried" was implied here :D Nah man. We all know that every major tournament is scripted from start to finish | ||
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MockHamill
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But typically you do not have the resources for 50+ banelings if you were not winning already, so it is hard to tell. | ||
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Musicus
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On November 25 2019 06:23 Penev wrote: I hope we get at least one shroud rush game all I want for Christmas | ||
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sneakyfox
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On November 25 2019 06:23 Penev wrote: I hope we get at least one shroud rush game If we don't get that I seriously think TaKe should fire his scriptwriters. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On November 25 2019 06:24 Schelim wrote: kinda crazy this can be anywhere between 3 and 8 games A bit unavoidable if you want something that's fair to the winner (a one map advantage isn't sufficient). I like it personally. | ||
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Penev
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Poll: Who will win? Hockey gifs (10) Drunk Santa (6) 16 total votes Your vote: Who will win? | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On November 25 2019 06:26 ZigguratOfUr wrote: A bit unavoidable if you want something that's fair to the winner (a one map advantage isn't sufficient). I like it personally. i don't necessarily dislike it, just saying it's a huge variability in amount of games. we may be done in 20 minutes or we may be here for a few hours | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On November 25 2019 06:27 blooblooblahblah wrote: I know the shroud is a bit of a meme but surely it actually potential use against mutas in this matchup right? like how? if u re in a muta vs hydra scenario, you're not worried as the hydra player that u d lose the heads up fight vs mutas. If u have infestors within cast range of mutas, u cast fungal, no question. Even if it gave 100% cover, u dont even entertain the idea of ever casting it, u always fungal | ||
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Penev
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On November 25 2019 06:34 Geo.Rion wrote: like how? if u re in a muta vs hydra scenario, you're not worried as the hydra player that u d lose the heads up fight vs mutas. If u have infestors within cast range of mutas, u cast fungal, no question. Even if it gave 100% cover, u dont even entertain the idea of ever casting it, u always fungal also it needs hive for some reason | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On November 25 2019 06:34 Geo.Rion wrote: like how? if u re in a muta vs hydra scenario, you're not worried as the hydra player that u d lose the heads up fight vs mutas. If u have infestors within cast range of mutas, u cast fungal, no question. Even if it gave 100% cover, u dont even entertain the idea of ever casting it, u always fungal I guess if you have enough infestors you might cast both fungal and shroud. But you're probably winning that fight anyhow. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9483 Posts
On November 25 2019 06:34 Geo.Rion wrote: like how? if u re in a muta vs hydra scenario, you're not worried as the hydra player that u d lose the heads up fight vs mutas. If u have infestors within cast range of mutas, u cast fungal, no question. Even if it gave 100% cover, u dont even entertain the idea of ever casting it, u always fungal Whoever's winning should just cast it once in the last match on his opponent's workers. | ||
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Penev
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On November 25 2019 06:26 Penev wrote: Poll: Who will win? Hockey gifs (10) Drunk Santa (6) 16 total votes Your vote: Who will win? | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On November 25 2019 06:39 HolydaKing wrote: Wow, I thought Reynor was dead there... neah, he was fine, he stopped droning, didnt saturate 3rd at all, used it to flank Serral's push, overall perfect response, some very minor micro mistakes, but those were on both sides | ||
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HolydaKing
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On November 25 2019 06:41 Geo.Rion wrote: neah, he was fine, he stopped droning, didnt saturate 4th at all, used it to flank Serral's push, overall perfect response, some very minor micro mistakes, but those were on both sides well, the army supply was 46 to 28 or similar at one point. guess all those units were walking over the map.. | ||
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Tyrhanius
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Geo.Rion
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On November 25 2019 06:42 HolydaKing wrote: well, the army supply was 46 to 28 or similar at one point. guess all those units were walking over the map.. they were, and with slow roaches that's quite the journey. Maybe he breaks him, or comes up even if Reynor doesnt save the 2 crawlers right away | ||
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sneakyfox
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On November 25 2019 06:39 HolydaKing wrote: Wow, I thought Reynor was dead there... yeah, when he lost those queens and then the roach warren... | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On November 25 2019 06:34 Geo.Rion wrote: like how? if u re in a muta vs hydra scenario, you're not worried as the hydra player that u d lose the heads up fight vs mutas. If u have infestors within cast range of mutas, u cast fungal, no question. Even if it gave 100% cover, u dont even entertain the idea of ever casting it, u always fungal I don't see a reason why you couldn't/wouldn't use both though | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On November 25 2019 06:52 sneakyfox wrote: Reynor really playing a nice positional game. Using those slow zones against Serral all the time. I really like how diligent he was with getting the upgrades for ground while he was harassing with mutas | ||
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BerserkSword
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and they thought serral would beat dark at blizzcon | ||
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HeroSandro
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On November 25 2019 06:57 BerserkSword wrote: serral worshipers in shambles and they thought serral would beat dark at blizzcon And the point of your post is to add some toxicity into the conversation? | ||
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Charoisaur
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And Dark is better than both. | ||
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On November 25 2019 07:05 Charoisaur wrote: Yeah turns out Reynor is just better than Serral in the matchup. And Dark is better than both. you really put the 'moment' into prisoner of the moment | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On November 25 2019 07:05 Charoisaur wrote: Yeah turns out Reynor is just better than Serral in the matchup. And Dark is better than both. You forgot Elazer if you want to make sweeping judgements based on a few series. | ||
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On November 25 2019 07:05 Geo.Rion wrote: Please Serral, I dont want HSC to end yet yeah I want the final BO3 looking good now e: did I jinx? | ||
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deacon.frost
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On November 25 2019 07:13 Penev wrote: if vipers abduct each other they should bump heads and fall to the ground stunned Nuclear explosion! | ||
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On November 25 2019 07:20 Musicus wrote: best game award here we come? Best I've seen by far at least. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On November 25 2019 07:20 Musicus wrote: best game award here we come? Still not quite as good as some of the PvTs including the draw imo. | ||
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On November 25 2019 07:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Still not quite as good as some of the PvTs including the draw imo. yeah Parting vs Cure was insane | ||
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On November 25 2019 07:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Still not quite as good as some of the PvTs including the draw imo. I think the draw takes it still | ||
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On November 25 2019 06:26 Penev wrote: Poll: Who will win? Hockey gifs (10) Drunk Santa (6) 16 total votes Your vote: Who will win? I dunno Kev | ||
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On November 25 2019 07:05 Charoisaur wrote: Yeah turns out Reynor is just better than Serral in the matchup. And Dark is better than both. Hahahah a nice joke man! Dark beating Reynor was the exception, actually; he was on fire at BlizzCon, do you remember why he lost Code S S3? | ||
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On November 25 2019 07:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Still not quite as good as some of the PvTs including the draw imo. But then we can't whine about zerg winning everything at HSC | ||
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HYPE | ||
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Hate ZvZ finals? How about TWO ZvZ finals in one day?! HA! | ||
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On November 25 2019 07:35 Boucot wrote: 16 queens great compo Yeah, they synergize really well | ||
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With each other | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On November 25 2019 07:34 LordYama wrote: What classic rivalries have we had in SC2 between players so far? Did players like MVP, MC or Nestea have individual players they met frequently in finals or late in tournaments> Mvp vs MMA of course. Also Mvp vs MarineKing though that one was a bit one-sided given that MKP always lost. | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On November 25 2019 07:35 tigon_ridge wrote: HAHAHAHAHA Hate ZvZ finals? How about TWO ZvZ finals in one day?! HA! that's 2 less than the maximum (optimal) number of ZvZ finals. We could have had upper and lower bracket finals ZvZ as well, alas i'm happy with the outcome | ||
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On November 25 2019 07:40 sneakyfox wrote: This really looks like a Serral victory now. It must be hard for Reynor to now be on equal footing with the guy from the loser's bracket, plus Serral just won two maps in a row, especially the really long, gritty game. Well, last HSC they would have been tied 3-3 now. | ||
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sneakyfox
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On November 25 2019 07:41 Xain0n wrote: Well, last HSC they would have been tied 3-3 now. Yeah. | ||
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On November 25 2019 07:34 LordYama wrote: What classic rivalries have we had in SC2 between players so far? Did players like MVP, MC or Nestea have individual players they met frequently in finals or late in tournaments> Life vs Taeja | ||
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Waxangel
United States33192 Posts
On November 25 2019 07:40 sneakyfox wrote: This really looks like a Serral victory now. It must be hard for Reynor to now be on equal footing with the guy from the loser's bracket, plus Serral just won two maps in a row, especially the really long, gritty game. ehhh I think it's iffy to read too deeply into mentality or anything as fans, if the player doesn't explicitly talk about it. both serral and reynor have won incredible comeback games against each other, as well as overcoming series score deficits | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
Excuse me, we do not speak of this individual around these parts | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On November 25 2019 07:47 Waxangel wrote: ehhh I think it's iffy to read too deeply into mentality or anything as fans, if the player doesn't explicitly talk about it. both serral and reynor have won incredible comeback games against each other, as well as overcoming series score deficits Yeah, fans don't have Wolf's expertise at diagnosing tilt. | ||
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sneakyfox
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On November 25 2019 07:49 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Yeah, fans don't have Wolf's expertise at diagnosing tilt. I cast myself down before the feet of the mighty Master of tilt-assessment. | ||
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On November 25 2019 07:51 Geo.Rion wrote: These guys are taking mirror to the next level, 2 upgrades finishing simultaneously within 0.2 sec, twice in a row Did anyone ask for balance? | ||
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TentativePanda
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On November 25 2019 07:55 HolydaKing wrote: reynor would be the winner now if the rules of the last homestory cup were in play, I wonder if the new rules make a difference. :D Yes, but the 1 map advantage format has long been criticized, and rightly so imo. This is a much better format | ||
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On November 25 2019 07:48 Schelim wrote: Excuse me, we do not speak of this individual around these parts There is article about saviOr so why not Life? | ||
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
On November 25 2019 07:56 Waxangel wrote: That was an unusually fantasy-GG timing from Serral given how dead he was there. Agreed, I think that game was pretty crushing to him. I hope he learns that reynor is a better roach player and adjusts | ||
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On November 25 2019 07:57 Miralem Ibrahim wrote: There is article about saviOr so why not Life? he is clearly talking about that terran | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15878 Posts
On November 25 2019 07:26 Xain0n wrote: Hahahah a nice joke man! Dark beating Reynor was the exception, actually; he was on fire at BlizzCon, do you remember why he lost Code S S3? Rogue > Dark > Reynor > Serral in ZvZ | ||
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Captain Peabody
United States3097 Posts
On November 25 2019 07:57 sneakyfox wrote: I guess the games are okay but we haven't even seen the Shroud upgrade researched, let alone used :[ I unironically respect your priorities, I don't even know what the new ability looks like, let alone how it plays | ||
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Penev
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On November 25 2019 07:59 Captain Peabody wrote: I unironically respect your priorities, I don't even know what the new ability looks like, let alone how it plays no one does, it might not even exist | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On November 25 2019 07:57 Miralem Ibrahim wrote: There is article about saviOr so why not Life? I was somewhat joking but it's kinda tough to talk about a rivalry when we cant be sure one wasnt losing on purpose | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
Blizz needed a replacement useless upgrade after they got rid of bunker capacity. | ||
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Captain Peabody
United States3097 Posts
After you build infesters, reach hive, research it...when you finally click the button to cast the ability, nothing happens and a sad emoticon pops on the screen | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On November 25 2019 07:59 Captain Peabody wrote: I unironically respect your priorities, I don't even know what the new ability looks like, let alone how it plays I feel you. For ages it has been the dream of many people in the LR to see that shroud in a live game. | ||
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stilt
France2746 Posts
On November 25 2019 08:01 Schelim wrote: I was somewhat joking but it's kinda tough to talk about a rivalry when we cant be sure one wasnt losing on purpose Exploding banelings in katowice 2014 were a bit weird but cmon, Life was playing way too well in most of his encounters against Taeja (even when he lost) to allow us thinking that he was throwing. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33192 Posts
I feel like you guys would enjoy the NBA; you could do a 180 on your opinion every 24 seconds instead of every 10 minutes directed at no one in particular | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
e: can Reynor go bio/tank? | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On November 25 2019 08:03 Waxangel wrote: The big picture is that these two guys are really closely matched, and either one has a really even chance of winning a given map or series. I feel like you guys would enjoy the NBA; you could do a 180 on your opinion every 24 seconds instead of every 10 minutes That game has bad balance--dunno why they don't nerf the three-point shot. | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On November 25 2019 08:02 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Blizz needed a replacement useless upgrade after they got rid of bunker capacity. Isnt there Medivac speed or some weird shit like that? | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On November 25 2019 08:05 Schelim wrote: Isnt there Medivac speed or some weird shit like that? Yeah but I think it's probably better than the previous medivac upgrade, so you can't really count that as a replacement. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On November 25 2019 08:05 Schelim wrote: Isnt there Medivac speed or some weird shit like that? That upgrade should actually be great against corruptors. | ||
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Penev
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On November 25 2019 08:02 Captain Peabody wrote: After you build infesters, reach hive, research it...when you finally click the button to cast the ability, nothing happens and a sad emoticon pops on the screenhaha, bizar btw everything you have to do to even get it | ||
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NotSoHappy
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tigon_ridge
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Reynor: Si. Serral: You haven't seen mootas. | ||
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LordYama
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Silvanel
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+ Show Spoiler + except shrouds :/ | ||
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Captain Peabody
United States3097 Posts
On November 25 2019 08:09 LordYama wrote: Twelve pool spine rush incoming Yeah, I don't even care if it works, infinite, eternal respect for anyone who actually goes for it | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
Tell me once more that ZvZ are boring, please. | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On November 25 2019 08:09 Boucot wrote: An 8-game final, we don't see that often. We also had a 6 game bo5 this tournament And a shirtless Rotti | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On November 25 2019 08:09 LordYama wrote: Twelve pool spine rush incoming Triton's a bad map for it unfortunately. You kinda really need the creep to touch the cliff edge next to the main ramp. | ||
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sneakyfox
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On November 25 2019 08:10 Schelim wrote: We also had a 6 game bo5 this tournament And a shirtless Rotti And Apollo on the couch | ||
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Btw they're 1-1 on Disco Bloodbath and on Ephemeron in these two series. | ||
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On November 25 2019 08:19 Penev wrote: gifs it is You doubted it, yet the polls dont lie | ||
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HolydaKing
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3 Homestory cups in a row!!!! | ||
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stilt
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yeah | ||
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D-light
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![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/26UMtPz.gif) RYÖKÄLE | ||
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Kerence
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NotSoHappy
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i had fun | ||
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stilt
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Zambrah
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Serrals ZvZs are why ZvZ is my favorite mirror match | ||
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sneakyfox
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Btw I stand by my statement that the loss in the first series was tilting | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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On November 25 2019 08:21 TheOneAboveU wrote: Equalized with TaeJa now in terms of HSC wins (as well as the feat of winning three in a row). I think TaeJa comes back and takes 2 more to extend his reign. But Serral is fucking dangerous. | ||
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On November 25 2019 07:56 TentativePanda wrote: Yes, but the 1 map advantage format has long been criticized, and rightly so imo. This is a much better format Eh, this one is harder for the loser bracket. It just gives us more games on average. The winner bracket score line can be anywhere from 3-0 or 4-4 and the loser's is from 5-0 to 5-3 | ||
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tigon_ridge
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TrAiDoS
Germany162 Posts
OFFICIAL REPLAY PACK Enjoy guys! :-) | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.nesretro.com/yabbfiles/Attachments/jtammi.gif) | ||
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On November 25 2019 08:25 TrAiDoS wrote: Hello guys, it's me again; the HSC Admin. Got something for you OFFICIAL REPLAY PACK Enjoy guys! :-) You're a legend! | ||
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
On November 25 2019 08:25 TrAiDoS wrote: Hello guys, it's me again; the HSC Admin. Got something for you OFFICIAL REPLAY PACK Enjoy guys! :-) Absolute legend! Thank you for all the work you do! Perfect event | ||
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On November 25 2019 08:24 Parrek wrote: Eh, this one is harder for the loser bracket. It just gives us more games on average. The winner bracket score line can be anywhere from 3-0 or 4-4 and the loser's is from 5-0 to 5-3 The person in the winner's bracket hasn't lost a series yet, so this one is fair. Whereas a one map advantage in a bo7 is far less than a series advantage. | ||
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TheDougler
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MMA vs DRG MVP vs Nestea HuK vs Idra Bomber vs Scarlett | ||
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HolydaKing
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MockHamill
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When Serral enters God mode I do not think anyone can beat him. | ||
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Penev
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On November 25 2019 08:31 TheDougler wrote: MMA vs DRG MVP vs Nestea HuK vs Idra Bomber vs Scarlett MaNa vs Naama | ||
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Couldn't catch the whole tournament, but almost half of the matches, HSC: XX will always be memorable. Shoutout to TakeTV and the whole crew for putting on a massive success. | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
What. A. Fucking. Epic. Event. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/6ibV38u.jpg) ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/j0YOS2V.jpg) ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/ewF7buL.jpg) ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/Q6lcOhp.jpg) The stories. The matches. Mike Morhaime! The intro with Take talking about Incontrol. Finally, Rotti shirtless. The grand finals, going to the last map. The champion and the fans jumping into water. | ||
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Solar424
United States4001 Posts
On November 25 2019 08:31 TheDougler wrote: MMA vs DRG MVP vs Nestea HuK vs Idra Bomber vs Scarlett Idra vs Idra | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On November 25 2019 08:21 TheOneAboveU wrote: Equalized with TaeJa now in terms of HSC wins (as well as the feat of winning three in a row). Not only, my friend! With this trophy, Serral ties TaeJa at eleven Premier titles(the most out of any Sc2 player ever) and actually rewrites history proving Stuchiu's prophecy wrong: he said that we would have seen no one winning as much in such a short time span, but Serral's 22 months(January 2018-November 2019) were even faster than TaeJa's 24(July 2012-July 2014). JOONA SOTALA, a true champion! | ||
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Ukraine3164 Posts
Great event, the best of 2019 for me for sure (and probably the best ever...), it will always be in my mind! Amazing job by Take! Keep it going, it is you who continues to build the legacy of starcraft2! | ||
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Germany23576 Posts
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UnLarva
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Serral made insane run after dropping to losers brackets, and Reynor was worthy finalist. It could've been easily go other way. Blizzcon had ridiculously low production and entertainment values compared to this. | ||
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Musicus
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Thanks for all the hard work from everyone involved. | ||
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stilt
France2746 Posts
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HolydaKing
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On November 25 2019 08:41 Parrek wrote: That showtime skit was amazing Yep, glad I didn't turn off the stream. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
PS. "Closing time" - that will always be the real HSC song for me | ||
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Norway60 Posts
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Ukraine3164 Posts
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Penev
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On November 25 2019 08:51 sneakyfox wrote: We still didn't get a winner for the "best game" award, hope they do a public vote. PS. "Closing time" - that will always be the real HSC song for me yeah, they also didn't decide what to do with the doubling of the prize money yet either | ||
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LordYama
United States370 Posts
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hexhaven
Finland926 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On November 25 2019 08:57 hexhaven wrote: Perfect way to end the year and start prepping for 2020. There still is an entire nation to carry in 2019! | ||
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Jones313
Finland172 Posts
On November 25 2019 08:43 stilt wrote: Damn, even if I don't know anyone, I would have love to hang out with them x) There's just a way more personal feel to this compared to the more official and rigid esports productions, which I guess is the point. And the venue was just absurd and awesome. Haven't watched a lot of Starcraft recently but I'm glad I tuned into this. | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
I missed Socke and Nightend, anyone have clips? Also that video was a 12/10 | ||
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United States172 Posts
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United States57 Posts
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HolydaKing
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On November 25 2019 16:15 ImmortalGhost wrote: Anyone know where the link to the poll for HuK's best game is? Don't think there was a voting yet, unless they did a voting offline at the venue. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24385 Posts
On November 25 2019 08:34 ZigguratOfUr wrote: This event truly stood out. A huge contrast to what Blizzcon was. HSC always does. I don’t know why Blizzard don’t emulate more elements of HSC in their productions. I think most Starcraft viewers love both the games and the connection we have with tons of figures in the community that feels organic and genuine. Not sure how other eSports work but that dynamic definitely seems to be a big pull for many of us fans, make more use of it. Don’t have to have folks boozing it up but having the pro players on the couch and whatnot giving their opinions makes the downtime so much more enjoyable and at times insightful too. Love Special anyway but he was a real star of the show for me at this HSC for example. Obviously not every player will be in the mood but productions could use waiting/eliminated pros to add both entertainment and insight into all sorts of tournaments. | ||
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ChaosArcher
Germany956 Posts
On November 25 2019 20:06 Wombat_NI wrote: HSC always does. I don’t know why Blizzard don’t emulate more elements of HSC in their productions. I think most Starcraft viewers love both the games and the connection we have with tons of figures in the community that feels organic and genuine. Not sure how other eSports work but that dynamic definitely seems to be a big pull for many of us fans, make more use of it. Don’t have to have folks boozing it up but having the pro players on the couch and whatnot giving their opinions makes the downtime so much more enjoyable and at times insightful too. Love Special anyway but he was a real star of the show for me at this HSC for example. Obviously not every player will be in the mood but productions could use waiting/eliminated pros to add both entertainment and insight into all sorts of tournaments. I love Homestory cup, it is my favorite tournament and this one was especially great. But I don't agree with the "make blizzcon more like homestory cup" narrative. Blizzcon is and should be a different kind of event imo. It's the most important tourney of the year with the highest stakes, players will never be as relaxed as they are at the HSC. Blizzcon did not suck because it was not like HSC, it sucked because the format was horrible. Making the groupstage unwatchable for Europeans (who are the biggest and most passionate fanbase of SC2 for a while now) killed any kind of hype for me. The break between group stages and playoffs did not help either and making it a one day event at blizzcon was a shitty idea too. They also talked on the pylon show about how the arena production crew was not prepared to hold an SC2 event and how it all felt like they were just the sidekick to Overwatch. | ||
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samAel1
Poland26 Posts
On November 25 2019 05:18 Geo.Rion wrote: you made a new account to contribute this to the conversation? No, just my second post I dont like ZvZ | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
That's entirely your fault and your loss. | ||
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samAel1
Poland26 Posts
After watching every HSC I almost regret that Im not part of the community I would like to be, but you know... real life is hitting hard sometimes | ||
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Thaniri
1264 Posts
On November 25 2019 22:50 samAel1 wrote: After watching every HSC I almost regret that Im not part of the community I would like to be, but you know... real life is hitting hard sometimes You are a fan and you watch every Homestory Cup. No matter what you are part of the community and we love you. Pozdro | ||
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Finland9221 Posts
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On December 03 2019 09:50 Weavel wrote: Huk waiting for people to forget about the best game voting? https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/553266-huks-best-game-of-hsc-xx-award-voting | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On December 03 2019 09:50 Weavel wrote: Huk waiting for people to forget about the best game voting? It is allready over. | ||
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