On November 23 2019 00:04 Morbidius wrote: People aren't going bonkers because soO lost, its mostly because nothing good ever came out of an Skytoss meta in PvZ. By the way i really want to see Serral face a top Protoss in this meta(he won't in his group sadly) .
On November 23 2019 00:04 Morbidius wrote: People aren't going bonkers because soO lost, its mostly because nothing good ever came out of an Skytoss meta in PvZ. By the way i really want to see Serral face a top Protoss in this meta(he won't in his group sadly) .
On November 22 2019 23:52 Morbidius wrote: Will we see PvZ lategame not being ridiculously favored towards one race in the next decade maybe?
Lol, skytoss is a thing still since WOL. By the way 60-80 % of the protoss in diamond just doing photon rush into skytoss vs zerg.
Sure eventually, when they met good master/GM player this strats stopped working during some period, but it was always incredibly easy to perform, and teamgame is full of 30 APM guys that mass carriers, because it's super strong and really hard to counter.
So skytoss is probably the best start if you want to be carried above your real skill, the fact this strat hasn't been nerfed since WOL is ridiculous. It even more ridiculous to make a balance patch that make this strat OP at the highest level...
In any RTS game I’ve ever played at lower levels turtling into end game units is strong because players don’t have the mechanics or know the timings to punish such styles.
What are you talking about that it hasn’t been nerfed since WoL? Flux vanes was removed, Voids have been changed multiple times, archon toilet was removed, Carrier is seemingly buffed/nerfed with every other patch.
As we haven’t seen the Zergs use their new toolkit yet I’d say the patch is 50% a success, in that Toss can compete with certain lategame comps Zerg have when they were failing before.
The other 50% on whether I’ll judge it on is whether or not we’re just swapping borderline unkillable Zerg comps for a Protoss sky ball equivalent.
Which would be extremely premature to judge given some Zergs don’t look like they even realise there has been a patch.
On November 23 2019 00:43 Xain0n wrote: Hm KR(soO,Solar) vs EU(Elazer, Lambo,TLO, Zanster) ZvZ is 4-4(1-2-1) right now in this tournament.
I hope Clem advancing is just the first step for his global domination of Sc2!
I dont think those ZVZ numbers mean much.
Very impressive that Clem managed to qualify but he looked so completely lost and outclassed by Zest and Stats, that I wouldnt put money on him getting far, if he hits another good toss
On November 23 2019 00:43 Xain0n wrote: Hm KR(soO,Solar) vs EU(Elazer, Lambo,TLO, Zanster) ZvZ is 4-4(1-2-1) right now in this tournament.
I hope Clem advancing is just the first step for his global domination of Sc2!
I dont think those ZVZ numbers mean much.
Very impressive that Clem managed to qualify but he looked so completely lost and outclassed by Zest and Stats, that I wouldnt put money on him getting far, if he hits another good toss
Was he stomped? I expected him to maybe take a set but look good in losing given his vP is pretty tasty.
On November 23 2019 00:43 Xain0n wrote: Hm KR(soO,Solar) vs EU(Elazer, Lambo,TLO, Zanster) ZvZ is 4-4(1-2-1) right now in this tournament.
I hope Clem advancing is just the first step for his global domination of Sc2!
I dont think those ZVZ numbers mean much.
Very impressive that Clem managed to qualify but he looked so completely lost and outclassed by Zest and Stats, that I wouldnt put money on him getting far, if he hits another good toss
Was he stomped? I expected him to maybe take a set but look good in losing given his vP is pretty tasty.
he was kinda stomped, and he looked very frustrated. He left the last game with close to even supply, cuz his attack dindt work. I mean he probably would have lost anyways, but when players do that u can tell they are frustrated with the MU
On November 23 2019 00:43 Xain0n wrote: Hm KR(soO,Solar) vs EU(Elazer, Lambo,TLO, Zanster) ZvZ is 4-4(1-2-1) right now in this tournament.
I hope Clem advancing is just the first step for his global domination of Sc2!
I dont think those ZVZ numbers mean much.
Very impressive that Clem managed to qualify but he looked so completely lost and outclassed by Zest and Stats, that I wouldnt put money on him getting far, if he hits another good toss
Those ZvZ numbers don't mean much, they just add to the substantial parity(advantage if we drag Serral in) EU Zerg players have achieved over Koreans in the last year and half at least; considering korean Zerg are on average stronger players, EU ZvZ is still best ZvZ
Clem didn't really seem that lost agains Stats, at least in g2; I didn't watch his match against Zest. Do I have to remind you we are speaking of someone who never breached ro16 in the circuit? Our baby Flash is in the making, give him time!