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Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
2015 Posts
November 22 2019 16:11 GMT
#121
On November 23 2019 00:54 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2019 00:48 Geo.Rion wrote:
On November 23 2019 00:43 Xain0n wrote:
Hm KR(soO,Solar) vs EU(Elazer, Lambo,TLO, Zanster) ZvZ is 4-4(1-2-1) right now in this tournament.

I hope Clem advancing is just the first step for his global domination of Sc2!

I dont think those ZVZ numbers mean much.

Very impressive that Clem managed to qualify but he looked so completely lost and outclassed by Zest and Stats, that I wouldnt put money on him getting far, if he hits another good toss


Those ZvZ numbers don't mean much, they just add to the substantial parity(advantage if we drag Serral in) EU Zerg players have achieved over Koreans in the last year and half at least; considering korean Zerg are on average stronger players, EU ZvZ is still best ZvZ

Clem didn't really seem that lost agains Stats, at least in g2; I didn't watch his match against Zest. Do I have to remind you we are speaking of someone who never breached ro16 in the circuit? Our baby Flash is in the making, give him time!


Check out Clem's game against MaNa un Nation wars. He probably has the best TvP outside Korea, just not quite good enough to take games from Zest and Stats.
Buff the siegetank
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7427 Posts
November 22 2019 16:16 GMT
#122
On November 23 2019 01:08 Azhrak wrote:
Please post which stream Serral is on, thank you!


BTTV or the french stream
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9224 Posts
November 22 2019 16:17 GMT
#123
Serral is on always any stream but mainstream
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
November 22 2019 16:29 GMT
#124
Serral is playing kinda well so far. ^^
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7427 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-22 16:32:25
November 22 2019 16:32 GMT
#125
Mlrod got destroyed O.O
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Azhrak
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland1198 Posts
November 22 2019 16:36 GMT
#126
Thanks for the info, kind people.
starcraft2.fi
TheAnarchy
Profile Joined January 2010
Chile1105 Posts
November 22 2019 16:48 GMT
#127
That fast BC is so bad. Why insisting on it
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8255 Posts
November 22 2019 16:52 GMT
#128
Damn goodbye Emil
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
November 22 2019 16:52 GMT
#129
Holy crap EMIL is lagging behind in that contest.
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
November 22 2019 17:15 GMT
#130
Rare mech game, very nice
Mine gas, build tanks.
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
November 22 2019 17:25 GMT
#131
Papi is a beast
Mine gas, build tanks.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
November 22 2019 17:35 GMT
#132
Serral with the anit-timing, going for the break-through with +1/+1 being 12 seconds away
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8255 Posts
November 22 2019 17:36 GMT
#133
Kelazur just took down Serral
Tyrhanius
Profile Joined April 2011
France947 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-22 17:37:27
November 22 2019 17:37 GMT
#134
On November 23 2019 00:34 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2019 00:07 Tyrhanius wrote:
On November 22 2019 23:52 Morbidius wrote:
Will we see PvZ lategame not being ridiculously favored towards one race in the next decade maybe?

Lol, skytoss is a thing still since WOL. By the way 60-80 % of the protoss in diamond just doing photon rush into skytoss vs zerg.

Sure eventually, when they met good master/GM player this strats stopped working during some period, but it was always incredibly easy to perform, and teamgame is full of 30 APM guys that mass carriers, because it's super strong and really hard to counter.

So skytoss is probably the best start if you want to be carried above your real skill, the fact this strat hasn't been nerfed since WOL is ridiculous. It even more ridiculous to make a balance patch that make this strat OP at the highest level...

In any RTS game I’ve ever played at lower levels turtling into end game units is strong because players don’t have the mechanics or know the timings to punish such styles.

What are you talking about that it hasn’t been nerfed since WoL? Flux vanes was removed, Voids have been changed multiple times, archon toilet was removed, Carrier is seemingly buffed/nerfed with every other patch.

As we haven’t seen the Zergs use their new toolkit yet I’d say the patch is 50% a success, in that Toss can compete with certain lategame comps Zerg have when they were failing before.

The other 50% on whether I’ll judge it on is whether or not we’re just swapping borderline unkillable Zerg comps for a Protoss sky ball equivalent.

Which would be extremely premature to judge given some Zergs don’t look like they even realise there has been a patch.

It was exactly the same situation in HOTS where deathball was invincible and the only way Zerg has to beat it was mass SH. Protoss cried about "not good design", and SH got removed, and the deathball rolls over Zerg.

It is the same situation, the worst is you know it's true but don't want to admit because you want to enjoy free wins thx to skytoss.
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
November 22 2019 17:39 GMT
#135
On November 23 2019 02:36 geokilla wrote:
Kelazur just took down Serral

Where's the second stream? TakeTV2 has like 12 viewers
Mine gas, build tanks.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
November 22 2019 17:41 GMT
#136
On November 23 2019 02:39 Akio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2019 02:36 geokilla wrote:
Kelazur just took down Serral

Where's the second stream? TakeTV2 has like 12 viewers

Take has 25k+, the secondary enlgish stream is Baestrade TV, which so far snatched the 2 Serral series
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
November 22 2019 17:46 GMT
#137
Kelagod really loves thunderbird doesn't he
Year of MaxPax
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
November 22 2019 17:54 GMT
#138
btw, i dont get it, the mainstream shows 2 TvTs in a row, and ignoring Serral altogether
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
November 22 2019 17:54 GMT
#139
On November 23 2019 02:41 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2019 02:39 Akio wrote:
On November 23 2019 02:36 geokilla wrote:
Kelazur just took down Serral

Where's the second stream? TakeTV2 has like 12 viewers

Take has 25k+, the secondary enlgish stream is Baestrade TV, which so far snatched the 2 Serral series

Oh didn't realize BT was hosting it as well, thanks
Mine gas, build tanks.
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
November 22 2019 18:05 GMT
#140
Great killer instinct from uthermal.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
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