EPT[WCS 2019] BlizzCon Finals Day - Page 125
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On November 02 2019 13:06 Penev wrote: Suddenly a wild xainon appears with all kinds of accusations lol As is tradition  | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5219 Posts
On November 02 2019 12:54 outscar wrote: David Kim > Current balancers. David, you've come back? Now leave, you ruined SC2 with HOTS! | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On November 02 2019 13:12 BronzeKnee wrote: David, you've come back? Now leave, you ruined SC2 with HOTS! Dunno mate, even late HotS looks good now. | ||
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Lexender
Mexico2655 Posts
On November 02 2019 13:09 Xain0n wrote: My logic IS consistent. Blizzard doesn't make extra patches to please the community, but has listened to its whining even more than it was reasonable; have you watched the proposed changes for next patch? Not to mention Infestors were nerfed, it's just that Protoss were overnerfed. Except that this is not a 2 race game, terran has actually been performing worse than toss so it obviously isn't just about nerfing protoss. | ||
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tigon_ridge
482 Posts
On November 02 2019 13:09 Xain0n wrote: My logic IS consistent. Blizzard doesn't make extra patches to please the community, but has listened to its whining even more than it was reasonable; have you watched the proposed changes for next patch? Not to mention Infestors were nerfed, it's just that Protoss were overnerfed. The community is half-retarded, I agree with you on that. However, Blizz balance team's average IQ is probably not more than a standard deviation higher. They over-pandered, while lacking the analytical talent to tackle the job they were assigned to do. Probably HR department decided to take in some diversity hires. lol (half-joking) | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5219 Posts
On November 02 2019 13:13 lolfail9001 wrote: Dunno mate, even late HotS looks good now. The removal of the MSC made the game interesting again for me. Allowing Locusts to fly was a huge mistake. WOL was the best, except for the few overpowered all-ins (1-1-1, Soul Train, ect) as long as it didn't get to late game. The problem was always late game. But they decided to fix early game and blew it with HOTS. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On November 02 2019 13:13 lolfail9001 wrote: Dunno mate, even late HotS looks good now. That last Blizzcon was great in ny memory, but maybe it's just because sOs won | ||
The_Templar
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dalecooper
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On November 02 2019 13:13 lolfail9001 wrote: Dunno mate, even late HotS looks good now. Whining so much for nothing…I'll repeat myself and urge you to watch the incoming updates. ZvP is imbalanced, everyone knows it, and Classic deserved better than this. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
Massive respect to you Classic, truly an all time great 8> | ||
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
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Anc13nt
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On November 02 2019 13:14 Lexender wrote: Except that this is not a 2 race game, terran has actually been performing worse than toss so it obviously isn't just about nerfing protoss. They were buffed already(EMP, anyone? TvP looks like an actual matchup now to everyone but the most diehard Terran fans) and they will receive more buffs in the future. | ||
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Solar424
United States4001 Posts
On November 02 2019 13:13 lolfail9001 wrote: Dunno mate, even late HotS looks good now. Late HotS was basically the same as now, just replace Brood Lord/Infestor with Mech. | ||
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Monochromatic
United States998 Posts
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FataLe
New Zealand4522 Posts
On November 02 2019 13:09 Xain0n wrote: My logic IS consistent. Blizzard doesn't make extra patches to please the community, but has listened to its whining even more than it was reasonable; have you watched the proposed changes for next patch? Not to mention Infestors were nerfed, it's just that Protoss were overnerfed. They absolutely have in the past so I don't know what you're attempting to say there. They have an emphasis on large changes at the end of the year but make plenty of fixes during. It's not consistent, you said blizzard listened about the toss whine and nerfed. Now you're pointing to a year end patch (months after Z was publicly agreed to be op) and saying they listened? They literally changed the same patch before it went live. If anything they haven't been listening which was why they've changed it. You're attempt at finger waving at the community I only partly agree with. But when it gets to this state, and the public agrees (see TL tl.net) that a fix before blizz was needed. I really can't see how you can blame the community. | ||
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TaKeTV
Germany1200 Posts
On November 02 2019 13:05 tigon_ridge wrote: To determine who is the best all-rounder. In SE, you can get (un)lucky in too many ways. Winning tournaments is not about determining who is best allrounded, but wins the tournament in that given format. For HSC for example its 8 man round robin into double elimination bracket. You will find flaws in ANY given system and you mentioned. Also a tournament will never determine THE BEST player, its not possible with a system thats giving you a reasonable timed schedule. You cannot have each player face all other players in a big enough sample size for that. Groups are not based on skill but placements and placements in a WCS system also do not reflect a 100% on who is best or not. Saying the best player didn't win the tournament the reason being his winrate in maps is a very flawed way of seeing who is best. How do you feel about CSGO and maps ending 16-4 / 14 -16 and 14 - 16. More rounds won by the losing team. Also if you start to value individual maps over series wins (as you say 3-0 > 3-2 in a victory) you can start looking into how dominant a map was. Serrals 3-0 vs soO is a very clear victory on paper, not so much in the games. I feel your statement while not offensive is a very bad way at looking at "the best player" | ||
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