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On November 02 2019 12:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2019 12:13 lolfail9001 wrote:On November 02 2019 12:11 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 02 2019 12:09 lolfail9001 wrote:On November 02 2019 12:07 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 02 2019 12:04 lolfail9001 wrote:On November 02 2019 12:03 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On November 02 2019 12:02 lolfail9001 wrote:On November 02 2019 12:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On November 02 2019 12:00 digmouse wrote:
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10+ vipers, other than that any charge is a highway to hell. Even vipers aren't enough. Since hydra/lurkers support vipers so much better than all the melee units that don't shoot up that Serral had. Nah, 10+ vipers would give him a small shot since to be honest Reynor's supporting cast for vipers lacked, it was literally mass lurker. But only 3 with 2 blinding clouds total? Not a chance. Sure but the opponent's vipers just yoink yours to kill them with hydras and you can't do the same. If you manage to throw enough blinding clouds to disable most of lurkers, you have a chance. If you don't, RIP, vipers own fate is irrelevant. It doesn't disable though, just shorten the range. Which doesn't matter against melee units, the lurkers attack anyway at full range if you actually commit into it (just a little later) Are you sure you are not confusing it with Dark Swarm? I do know that roach/hydra can use their melee attack in blinding cloud, and i do not have client on hand right now to test it. Well you just said it, hydra/roach attack under blinding clowd. So lurkers would as well on melee range, but their spike attack would still travel all the way aka attack on full range. Thing is: hydra and roach very explicitly have a melee attack, i played enough with SC2Editor back in the day to know that. Do burrowed lurkers? No, but what blinding cloud does is reduce the range of units under it to melee (1?), hydras and roaches simply have another animation for it. Though i am not sure how upgrades work there tbh, might count melee upgrades for these two?
No. They still use ranged upgrades.
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GG Classic loses. His tactical early game strategy did not work out fine. Protoss is the most unforgiving race in this game
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Well this game is gonna turn into a bop.
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Anyways, my headcanon is that Serral decided to use his Blizzcon run to convince Blizzard to make ultras usable units.
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On November 02 2019 12:13 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2019 12:10 swarminfestor wrote:On November 02 2019 12:07 Nakajin wrote:
So many cool possibility: Reynor winning WCS at 17
Classic ending his carreer as world champion
The Emperor last son finaly giving Boxer his world champion Compared to Parting, who was the youngest one? Life probably?
I almost forgot him.
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On November 02 2019 12:17 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2019 12:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 02 2019 12:13 lolfail9001 wrote:On November 02 2019 12:11 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 02 2019 12:09 lolfail9001 wrote:On November 02 2019 12:07 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 02 2019 12:04 lolfail9001 wrote:On November 02 2019 12:03 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On November 02 2019 12:02 lolfail9001 wrote:On November 02 2019 12:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
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Even vipers aren't enough. Since hydra/lurkers support vipers so much better than all the melee units that don't shoot up that Serral had. Nah, 10+ vipers would give him a small shot since to be honest Reynor's supporting cast for vipers lacked, it was literally mass lurker. But only 3 with 2 blinding clouds total? Not a chance. Sure but the opponent's vipers just yoink yours to kill them with hydras and you can't do the same. If you manage to throw enough blinding clouds to disable most of lurkers, you have a chance. If you don't, RIP, vipers own fate is irrelevant. It doesn't disable though, just shorten the range. Which doesn't matter against melee units, the lurkers attack anyway at full range if you actually commit into it (just a little later) Are you sure you are not confusing it with Dark Swarm? I do know that roach/hydra can use their melee attack in blinding cloud, and i do not have client on hand right now to test it. Well you just said it, hydra/roach attack under blinding clowd. So lurkers would as well on melee range, but their spike attack would still travel all the way aka attack on full range. Thing is: hydra and roach very explicitly have a melee attack, i played enough with SC2Editor back in the day to know that. Do burrowed lurkers? No, but what blinding cloud does is reduce the range of units under it to melee (1?), hydras and roaches simply have another animation for it. Though i am not sure how upgrades work there tbh, might count melee upgrades for these two? No. They still use ranged upgrades.
Yeah i thought so :D In any case, i think lurkers would basically still attack on full range against melee units. Still better though ofc, if it's enough idk.
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On November 02 2019 12:17 lolfail9001 wrote:
Anyways, my headcanon is that Serral decided to use his Blizzcon run to convince Blizzard to make ultras usable units.
Hmm... I'm not sure what change would make ultras usable in ZvZ, that wouldn't also make them utterly broken in the other match-ups.
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On November 02 2019 12:15 fgonzo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2019 12:13 pvsnp wrote:On November 02 2019 12:12 BerserkSword wrote:On November 02 2019 12:04 NotSoHappy wrote:On November 02 2019 12:04 BerserkSword wrote:On November 02 2019 12:02 NotSoHappy wrote:On November 02 2019 12:01 digmouse wrote:
I don't really understand what Serral's game plan really is. He already totally shutdown the exact same playstyle the map before, does he really believe he is that better to be able to pull it off? asking myself the same questions style on the cocky teenage greenhorn who tried to embarrass you with a n00b build by using said build to eliminate him overconfidence and big ego is sucha a b* sometimes  it's weird serral is usually pretty humble says that he is scared of players like neeb and showtime, before proceeding to crush him when asked about reynor he often talking shit "he should be easy" "he is bad at lategame" Serral is only human. He can have rivals. And a young European Zerg prodigy with a meteoric rise? The reflection of himself probably gives him at least some pause. He shouldn't be so cocky if he's gonna get embarrassed that badly
2-3 "embarrassed"
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On November 02 2019 12:07 MyLovelyLurker wrote:
Somewhere somewhat sOs is smiling.
Life too, still the zerg GOAT.
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On November 02 2019 12:17 lolfail9001 wrote:
Anyways, my headcanon is that Serral decided to use his Blizzcon run to convince Blizzard to make ultras usable units.
lol And that 10 range upgrade on lurkers will make ultra extra unusable in ZvZ.
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On November 02 2019 12:19 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2019 12:15 fgonzo wrote:On November 02 2019 12:13 pvsnp wrote:On November 02 2019 12:12 BerserkSword wrote:On November 02 2019 12:04 NotSoHappy wrote:On November 02 2019 12:04 BerserkSword wrote:On November 02 2019 12:02 NotSoHappy wrote:On November 02 2019 12:01 digmouse wrote:
I don't really understand what Serral's game plan really is. He already totally shutdown the exact same playstyle the map before, does he really believe he is that better to be able to pull it off? asking myself the same questions style on the cocky teenage greenhorn who tried to embarrass you with a n00b build by using said build to eliminate him overconfidence and big ego is sucha a b* sometimes it's weird serral is usually pretty humble says that he is scared of players like neeb and showtime, before proceeding to crush him when asked about reynor he often talking shit "he should be easy" "he is bad at lategame" Serral is only human. He can have rivals. And a young European Zerg prodigy with a meteoric rise? The reflection of himself probably gives him at least some pause. He shouldn't be so cocky if he's gonna get embarrassed that badly 2-3 "embarrassed"
My dear Finnish friend, don't bite.
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On November 02 2019 12:18 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2019 12:17 lolfail9001 wrote:
Anyways, my headcanon is that Serral decided to use his Blizzcon run to convince Blizzard to make ultras usable units. Hmm... I'm not sure what change would make ultras usable in ZvZ, that wouldn't also make them utterly broken in the other match-ups.
Well, increasing lurker range, upgrade or not, would definitely make them even less usable.
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On November 02 2019 12:17 lolfail9001 wrote:
Anyways, my headcanon is that Serral decided to use his Blizzcon run to convince Blizzard to make ultras usable units.
burrow charge revival
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Wait, i was not watching since failed cannon rush, why is Classic still alive? Ah, i see, nydus not yet complete.
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On November 02 2019 12:20 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2019 12:17 lolfail9001 wrote:
Anyways, my headcanon is that Serral decided to use his Blizzcon run to convince Blizzard to make ultras usable units. burrow charge revival
Unfortunately, that would break ZvT.
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damn maru got demolished.. were the games close at least?
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On November 02 2019 12:20 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2019 12:18 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On November 02 2019 12:17 lolfail9001 wrote:
Anyways, my headcanon is that Serral decided to use his Blizzcon run to convince Blizzard to make ultras usable units. Hmm... I'm not sure what change would make ultras usable in ZvZ, that wouldn't also make them utterly broken in the other match-ups. Well, increasing lurker range, upgrade or not, would definitely make them even less usable.
Only barely though, as i just learned: "Lurkers have 9 range, but their spines reach out 10 cells."
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Just got here. How did Serral lose?
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EPT
