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HM is composed and sensible as always.
And what Trap said really shows korean zergs don't go late game that much x)
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I see they didn't invite stream Big Gabe to the interview. 
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On August 18 2019 18:21 stilt wrote:
HM is composed and sensible as always.
And what Trap said really shows korean zergs don't go late game that much x)
soO certainly does not.
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Elentos
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Stats vs Serral ace match almost seems too straightforward doesn't it?
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On August 18 2019 18:22 Elentos wrote:
Stats vs Serral ace match almost seems too straightforward doesn't it?
Would Serral want to play an extra game before a bo7?
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On August 18 2019 18:22 Elentos wrote:
Stats vs Serral ace match almost seems too straightforward doesn't it?
Reynor seems to want to play Serral very much, they might just let him play. I'd love if Serral doesn't get to play and Maru plays instead.
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On August 18 2019 18:23 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2019 18:22 Elentos wrote:
Stats vs Serral ace match almost seems too straightforward doesn't it? Would Serral want to play an extra game before a bo7?
Yeah, they should just ask Maru to play again.
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On August 18 2019 18:24 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2019 18:22 Elentos wrote:
Stats vs Serral ace match almost seems too straightforward doesn't it? Reynor seems to want to play Serral very much, they might just let him play. I'd love if Serral doesn't get to play and Maru plays instead.
I think Trap would be a safe all-around pick if Serral doesn't want to play
or maybe Classic but he was pretty sloppy this weekend
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On August 18 2019 18:22 Elentos wrote:
Stats vs Serral ace match almost seems too straightforward doesn't it?
yeah seems too straightforward to me as well. I actually don't think Serral will send himself before the finals. I have a feeling Dark will send himself though and I think team Serral will have the same feeling, so we could end up with Dark vs a Dark sniper ; maybe Stats/TY vs a Dark sniper. I'm pretty sure the end result will be surprising.
Anyway Trap needs to win for this to happen. It's very likely, but then again...
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the best would be for Serral and Maru rock-paper-scissors for who plays Ace
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Elentos
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On August 18 2019 18:24 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2019 18:22 Elentos wrote:
Stats vs Serral ace match almost seems too straightforward doesn't it? Reynor seems to want to play Serral very much, they might just let him play. I'd love if Serral doesn't get to play and Maru plays instead.
See why play Reynor who can maybe beat Serral when you have Stats who wouldn't get completely rekt if Serral didn't play the ace? 
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How was the Serral vs soO game?
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Elentos
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On August 18 2019 18:27 sneakyfox wrote:
How was the Serral vs soO game?
Dark vs Elazer was better.
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On August 18 2019 18:19 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2019 18:07 NotSoHappy wrote:On August 18 2019 17:46 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 18 2019 17:43 NotSoHappy wrote:On August 18 2019 17:40 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 18 2019 17:36 Die4Ever wrote:On August 18 2019 17:35 NotSoHappy wrote:
can someone point me the time in sc2 history that terran wasnt whinning? back in the GOMTvT days maybe a bit during Taeja's prime? Taeja did well a lot when the rest of the terrans weren't, so I think there was quite a bit of whining there. There wasn't too much terran whining during hellbat drop meta. they whinne during every era taejas innos marus everytime its not enough, even with most premier title wins its not enough just one race, no matter if p or z is stronger for a LITTLE bit they lose their minds im watching this for years and terrans are the worst It's easy to explain dude. Terran success is limited to a single amazing player at a time. At every other level including the pro level, every other player is not seeing that success. Look what happens when Protoss or Zergs are imbalanced. They are filling entire brackets of tournaments all abusing the same strategy. Be it, Nydus Worms, Immortal All Ins, Infestor/Broodlord or Blink Stalker all ins. It's not comparable. When was the last time we've seen a single dominant Terran strategy fill an entire bracket of a tournament? Last one I can think of is mass Reaper a couple years ago, and that shit WAS broken af. Please, in sc2 history, 3 expansions you can't say "terrans are just better". Thats just biased opinion. You can say "terran had better luck in patches" or "terran found quality/abusive strats faster than other races and abused them better" or "terran was the most op during the early stage of the game and to this day theyre strong as hell even with all the nerfs". Terran is the race with most premier title wins, yet you still bring the "protoss zerg abuse one strat" card. Not really they are and we aren't seeing anything close to GomTvT era. You have to realise many great players quitted this game over the years and we're left with small pool of pros that are split in various levels of skills. Maybe its true that playing terran without mistakes is harder and less forgiving than zerg or protoss, but their skill ceiling is the highest from all three races. We should balance for the top of the top players and not gold leaguers that just can't macro properly. We as spectators want to watch CLOSE games and not one pro abusing one strat over and over again and before you say anything I can't see Roro level of abuse this tournament, becaue not every pro did infestor BL and you can't argue that getting it was the thing that moved the game in zergs direction because of so many factors that affect this game. Meta is developping, players are trying new things and we are wasting time bitching about meaningless stuff with patch around the corner that will change things up. Maru last year abused Raven and Proxy 2-rax builds that were hard as fuck to scout and counter properly, because of so many options. He and other terrans. Look at the gsl standings and tell me honestly which terrans you think are underperforming due to balance, because to me they are performing for their own skill level. Maru plays worse, but so is Serral. They won a lot and people started to figure them out. That's how this game looks. It's in the best shape since many years'. I just wish they spent more time for fixing (fixing not NERFING and bandaiding) protoss. For the record, I think Balance is pretty good at the moment outside of PvZ late game. I'm just explaining why historically Terrans have felt like they've had more to complain about. Just because the current top player in the world is winning, it doesn't impact the rest of the scene that much except as inspiration. The Foreign scene has historically been totally devoid of Terrans. That's not debatable, that's just a fact. The current era we're in has had more good Terran players than any era before it by a large margin. That's just one example of that. If you go by who has the most titles only, that tells a story, but it's not the only one and it's a really narrow way of looking at things.
I honestly think just recently foreigner are closing the gap when it comes to pure mechanics and with inferior mechanics its easier to play protoss and zerg when facing korean opposition. With that in mind you can't balance terran around foreigner mechanical skills, because that'd turn korea territory into terran fiesta and this would be bad for the game.
I think the infestor is not OP, but the infestor buff with HT nerf, Carrier nerf and little bit of stagnation of meta turned late game PvZ into Z favour. That's why I'd rather see Protoss late game buff than infestor nerf, because we need to have late game TvZ in mind too. But I'd wait first a little bit, because Stats games vs Serral were intresting.
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Elentos
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Real talk though their games in the main tournament were close enough that Gabe has a shot here even if they both just play standard and nothing weird happens.
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Elentos
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On August 18 2019 18:31 NotSoHappy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2019 18:19 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 18 2019 18:07 NotSoHappy wrote:On August 18 2019 17:46 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 18 2019 17:43 NotSoHappy wrote:On August 18 2019 17:40 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 18 2019 17:36 Die4Ever wrote:On August 18 2019 17:35 NotSoHappy wrote:
can someone point me the time in sc2 history that terran wasnt whinning? back in the GOMTvT days maybe a bit during Taeja's prime? Taeja did well a lot when the rest of the terrans weren't, so I think there was quite a bit of whining there. There wasn't too much terran whining during hellbat drop meta. they whinne during every era taejas innos marus everytime its not enough, even with most premier title wins its not enough just one race, no matter if p or z is stronger for a LITTLE bit they lose their minds im watching this for years and terrans are the worst It's easy to explain dude. Terran success is limited to a single amazing player at a time. At every other level including the pro level, every other player is not seeing that success. Look what happens when Protoss or Zergs are imbalanced. They are filling entire brackets of tournaments all abusing the same strategy. Be it, Nydus Worms, Immortal All Ins, Infestor/Broodlord or Blink Stalker all ins. It's not comparable. When was the last time we've seen a single dominant Terran strategy fill an entire bracket of a tournament? Last one I can think of is mass Reaper a couple years ago, and that shit WAS broken af. Please, in sc2 history, 3 expansions you can't say "terrans are just better". Thats just biased opinion. You can say "terran had better luck in patches" or "terran found quality/abusive strats faster than other races and abused them better" or "terran was the most op during the early stage of the game and to this day theyre strong as hell even with all the nerfs". Terran is the race with most premier title wins, yet you still bring the "protoss zerg abuse one strat" card. Not really they are and we aren't seeing anything close to GomTvT era. You have to realise many great players quitted this game over the years and we're left with small pool of pros that are split in various levels of skills. Maybe its true that playing terran without mistakes is harder and less forgiving than zerg or protoss, but their skill ceiling is the highest from all three races. We should balance for the top of the top players and not gold leaguers that just can't macro properly. We as spectators want to watch CLOSE games and not one pro abusing one strat over and over again and before you say anything I can't see Roro level of abuse this tournament, becaue not every pro did infestor BL and you can't argue that getting it was the thing that moved the game in zergs direction because of so many factors that affect this game. Meta is developping, players are trying new things and we are wasting time bitching about meaningless stuff with patch around the corner that will change things up. Maru last year abused Raven and Proxy 2-rax builds that were hard as fuck to scout and counter properly, because of so many options. He and other terrans. Look at the gsl standings and tell me honestly which terrans you think are underperforming due to balance, because to me they are performing for their own skill level. Maru plays worse, but so is Serral. They won a lot and people started to figure them out. That's how this game looks. It's in the best shape since many years'. I just wish they spent more time for fixing (fixing not NERFING and bandaiding) protoss. For the record, I think Balance is pretty good at the moment outside of PvZ late game. I'm just explaining why historically Terrans have felt like they've had more to complain about. Just because the current top player in the world is winning, it doesn't impact the rest of the scene that much except as inspiration. The Foreign scene has historically been totally devoid of Terrans. That's not debatable, that's just a fact. The current era we're in has had more good Terran players than any era before it by a large margin. That's just one example of that. If you go by who has the most titles only, that tells a story, but it's not the only one and it's a really narrow way of looking at things. I honestly think just recently foreigner are closing the gap when it comes to pure mechanics and with inferior mechanics its easier to play protoss and zerg when facing korean opposition. With that in mind you can't balance terran around foreigner mechanical skills, because that'd turn korea territory into terran fiesta and this would be bad for the game. I think the infestor is not OP, but the infestor buff with HT nerf, Carrier nerf and little bit of stagnation of meta turned late game PvZ into Z favour. That's why I'd rather see Protoss late game buff than infestor nerf, because we need to have late game TvZ in mind too.
The infestor is OP as long as the infested Terran bug isn't fixed. It's just unclear whether fixing the bug was enough and if the extra nerf on top was ever needed.
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On August 18 2019 18:31 NotSoHappy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2019 18:19 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 18 2019 18:07 NotSoHappy wrote:On August 18 2019 17:46 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 18 2019 17:43 NotSoHappy wrote:On August 18 2019 17:40 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 18 2019 17:36 Die4Ever wrote:On August 18 2019 17:35 NotSoHappy wrote:
can someone point me the time in sc2 history that terran wasnt whinning? back in the GOMTvT days maybe a bit during Taeja's prime? Taeja did well a lot when the rest of the terrans weren't, so I think there was quite a bit of whining there. There wasn't too much terran whining during hellbat drop meta. they whinne during every era taejas innos marus everytime its not enough, even with most premier title wins its not enough just one race, no matter if p or z is stronger for a LITTLE bit they lose their minds im watching this for years and terrans are the worst It's easy to explain dude. Terran success is limited to a single amazing player at a time. At every other level including the pro level, every other player is not seeing that success. Look what happens when Protoss or Zergs are imbalanced. They are filling entire brackets of tournaments all abusing the same strategy. Be it, Nydus Worms, Immortal All Ins, Infestor/Broodlord or Blink Stalker all ins. It's not comparable. When was the last time we've seen a single dominant Terran strategy fill an entire bracket of a tournament? Last one I can think of is mass Reaper a couple years ago, and that shit WAS broken af. Please, in sc2 history, 3 expansions you can't say "terrans are just better". Thats just biased opinion. You can say "terran had better luck in patches" or "terran found quality/abusive strats faster than other races and abused them better" or "terran was the most op during the early stage of the game and to this day theyre strong as hell even with all the nerfs". Terran is the race with most premier title wins, yet you still bring the "protoss zerg abuse one strat" card. Not really they are and we aren't seeing anything close to GomTvT era. You have to realise many great players quitted this game over the years and we're left with small pool of pros that are split in various levels of skills. Maybe its true that playing terran without mistakes is harder and less forgiving than zerg or protoss, but their skill ceiling is the highest from all three races. We should balance for the top of the top players and not gold leaguers that just can't macro properly. We as spectators want to watch CLOSE games and not one pro abusing one strat over and over again and before you say anything I can't see Roro level of abuse this tournament, becaue not every pro did infestor BL and you can't argue that getting it was the thing that moved the game in zergs direction because of so many factors that affect this game. Meta is developping, players are trying new things and we are wasting time bitching about meaningless stuff with patch around the corner that will change things up. Maru last year abused Raven and Proxy 2-rax builds that were hard as fuck to scout and counter properly, because of so many options. He and other terrans. Look at the gsl standings and tell me honestly which terrans you think are underperforming due to balance, because to me they are performing for their own skill level. Maru plays worse, but so is Serral. They won a lot and people started to figure them out. That's how this game looks. It's in the best shape since many years'. I just wish they spent more time for fixing (fixing not NERFING and bandaiding) protoss. For the record, I think Balance is pretty good at the moment outside of PvZ late game. I'm just explaining why historically Terrans have felt like they've had more to complain about. Just because the current top player in the world is winning, it doesn't impact the rest of the scene that much except as inspiration. The Foreign scene has historically been totally devoid of Terrans. That's not debatable, that's just a fact. The current era we're in has had more good Terran players than any era before it by a large margin. That's just one example of that. If you go by who has the most titles only, that tells a story, but it's not the only one and it's a really narrow way of looking at things. I honestly think just recently foreigner are closing the gap when it comes to pure mechanics and with inferior mechanics its easier to play protoss and zerg when facing korean opposition.
Irrelevant considering Terrans never won premiere events against foreigners either. Seriously go and look at the entire history of SC2 for Terran foreign wins in premiere tournaments. I have, there are 3 tops and 2 of those are Thorzain in early WoL.
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widow mines putting in work this weekend
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could Heromarine deny that much desired ace match ?
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What are the rules for the ace match? Can any player be picked? And does it have to be Korea vs Circuit?
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