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GSL vs. The World
2019 GSL vs. the WorldStreams & Casters
Format
- Single-elimination Bracket:
- All Matches are Bo5.
- Finals are Bo7.
Map Pool
Matches
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[GSL 2019] GSL vs. The World - Day 4
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51487 Posts
Map Pool + Show Spoiler [Team Dark vs Team Serral] + CSS: FO-nTTaX Awesomeness: Panda Banner: GSL | ||
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Dave4
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Poll: GSL vs. The World Champion Serral (51) Elazer (13) 64 total votes Your vote: GSL vs. The World Champion Spoiler: Serral wins  | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51487 Posts
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necrosexy
451 Posts
On August 18 2019 06:41 Pandemona wrote: Oopps forgot the poll xD also, you forgot what Serral looks like | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
Team vote I'm going with Team Serral, it has many protosses and all semi-finalists. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
I’m out. PEACE | ||
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Fango
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tigon_ridge
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On August 18 2019 09:10 tigon_ridge wrote: If Elazer wins, this tournament will be considered the biggest upsets tournament in the history of Starcraft, including Broodwar. I'm a big, big Serral fan, but it'll be super fun to talk about this tournament if Elazer takes the trophy. Chats, youtube comments, and TL forum threads will be filled with chaos, befuddlement, memes, and amusement. Mwahawhaw > Hm, I doubt it mate, there have been waaay bigger upsets. I would not mind Elazer taking the titles but Serral has won too few tournaments this year, I would like to see him on top of the world once more. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On August 18 2019 10:02 Xain0n wrote: Hm, I doubt it mate, there have been waaay bigger upsets. I would not mind Elazer taking the titles but Serral has won too few tournaments this year, I would like to see him on top of the world once more. I find it somewhat disrespectful to deny it, serral is the best starcraft player ever, maybe the best esports athlete the world has seen so far. Elazer is good, no doubt, but serral is something else, people in 50 years from now will look back on it and tell their children that they experienced this phenomenon firsthand while the kids will study it in history classes. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On August 18 2019 10:56 The_Red_Viper wrote: I find it somewhat disrespectful to deny it, serral is the best starcraft player ever, maybe the best esports athlete the world has seen so far. Elazer is good, no doubt, but serral is something else, people in 50 years from now will look back on it and tell their children that they experienced this phenomenon firsthand while the kids will study it in history classes. What's the point of this post? There is a crowd of TL members constantly claiming, for example, how happy would they be if Maru were to win every possible remaining Code S, BlizzCon, becoming the GOAT and so on and I can't say as a Serral fan that I'd like to see him win more Premier tournaments in 2019 given took home only one? I just said Elazer beating Serral would be unexpected but not even remotely the biggest upset in Starcraft; are you sure you read it well? Edit: Hah, you edited it so that the tone seems reasonable now, but it clearly was a massively sarcastic post. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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Archerylady
277 Posts
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NoS-Craig
Australia3116 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7306 Posts
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RealityTheGreat
China564 Posts
On August 18 2019 07:22 D-light wrote: Team infestor will win | ||
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RealityTheGreat
China564 Posts
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tigon_ridge
482 Posts
On August 18 2019 10:02 Xain0n wrote: Hm, I doubt it mate, there have been waaay bigger upsets. I would not mind Elazer taking the titles but Serral has won too few tournaments this year, I would like to see him on top of the world once more. I don't think you understand my point. It would not be the biggest upset for a match, but the tournament with the greatest combined amount of upsets. Hardly anyone expected the big names in this tournament to be defeated by Elazer and TIME. Hardly anyone expected Maru to get 0-3ed by Stats. Hardly anyone expected Neeb to go 3-1 to the one and only Stats; and then after that mega series, would get beaten by Elazer. And finally, I don't think many expected even the Fin himself to have only dropped 3 maps total to 3 BIG Koreans. I think that's already a massive combined total of unexpected results. Of course, there may be even more to come from the teams competition. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
On August 18 2019 11:49 Zambrah wrote: Elazer winning this tournament would be an enormous upset, if you look at his path to the finals though it definetely seems a little less impressive when compared to the path Serral took, so that diminishes the upset quality imo. The hardest paths in this tournament are the ones that lead to Serral. Elazer winning this would be amazing. This dude got here on the good wishes of his compatriots. Not skill alone, not results alone. Just fan support. If he wins by beating the number 1 and number 2 zergs in the world. That is nutts. He has been a major underdog in every match and game 4 against neeb.... he had 12 drones vs 55 probes at the end. He had to have a perfect and lucky engage to even get here. If he flopped after the the voting thing... I was going to place anti votes ... just as karma. Now he gets an autovote over better players like Reynor just because how brass is swinging set is. Every match he won has been an upset. A win and he is legend. He is clearly mechanically worse then people he has beat. I am a Serral fan but... if he loses to Elazer... I will rest knowing he is the best and Elazer lived his dream. The story is worth Serral losing money he doesn't need and acclaim that he will get for beating all top pros to get here anyway. Poland better be fucking proud. | ||
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
On August 18 2019 13:44 tigon_ridge wrote: I don't think you understand my point. It would not be the biggest upset for a match, but the tournament with the greatest combined amount of upsets. Hardly anyone expected the big names in this tournament to be defeated by Elazer and TIME. Hardly anyone expected Maru to get 0-3ed by Stats. Hardly anyone expected Neeb to go 3-1 to the one and only Stats; and then after that mega series, would get beaten by Elazer. And finally, I don't think many expected even the Fin himself to have only dropped 3 maps total to 3 BIG Koreans. I think that's already a massive combined total of unexpected results. Of course, there may be even more to come from the teams competition. Yeah only thing that comes close in recent memory is GSL Season 2 ro32.. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8240 Posts
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
On August 18 2019 14:01 AttackZerg wrote: The hardest paths in this tournament are the ones that lead to Serral. Elazer winning this would be amazing. This dude got here on the good wishes of his compatriots. Not skill alone, not results alone. Just fan support. If he wins by beating the number 1 and number 2 zergs in the world. That is nutts. He has been a major underdog in every match and game 4 against neeb.... he had 12 drones vs 55 probes at the end. He had to have a perfect and lucky engage to even get here. If he flopped after the the voting thing... I was going to place anti votes ... just as karma. Now he gets an autovote over better players like Reynor just because how brass is swinging set is. Every match he won has been an upset. A win and he is legend. He is clearly mechanically worse then people he has beat. I am a Serral fan but... if he loses to Elazer... I will rest knowing he is the best and Elazer lived his dream. The story is worth Serral losing money he doesn't need and acclaim that he will get for beating all top pros to get here anyway. Poland better be fucking proud. Yeah Elazer is showing the same clutch in 2016 and 2017 that he's been missing for almost 2 years. I think Serral will win this 4-2 but it would be pretty cool if Elazer won. I would say he was pretty clearly the underdog of every series he played in this tournament. | ||
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
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HeroSandro
530 Posts
On August 18 2019 14:16 MockHamill wrote: So what will be played first? The final or the team matches? Should be the team match. Hoping for a fun day, and that people could keep the amount of negativity at a reasonable level. The balance whine has been incredible. Mods, please start banning people for breaking the rules all the time. | ||
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
On August 18 2019 14:11 geokilla wrote: I didn't watch the games yet but why is everyone talking about Infestors? Were they abused or something? Serral used them to win 3 of the 12 games he played and each time, it didn't even look close. Classic vs Serral game 3 was especially painful because Classic looked pretty ahead at one point but then just got owned. With or without the infestors, I think he would've won every series that he played anyway but the games where he got to make infestors just looked hopeless for his opponent. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
On August 18 2019 14:26 HeroSandro wrote: Should be the team match. Hoping for a fun day, and that people could keep the amount of negativity at a reasonable level. The balance whine has been incredible. Mods, please start banning people for breaking the rules all the time. Coming from Broodwar.... I have always looked down on everyone screaming to Daddy blizzard to fix things. As a Zerg, I am pretty sure aspects of zvt are broken in terrans favor but.... I try a different approach, I dont petition the gods to fixes my loses or blame my loses on the flaws. I imagine that thinking is pure poison for the competitive mindset. It certainty acts as a cancer to the community. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On August 18 2019 14:29 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: interesting https://twitter.com/CreightonOlsen/status/1162958405222326272 Shame this event has been pretty unhype. Last years was way more exiting and didn't attract the same negative feedback | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
On August 18 2019 14:33 Fango wrote: Shame this event has been pretty unhype. Last years was way more exiting and didn't attract the same negative feedback Feels like the community is filled with failed attempted pros who are in a constant froth from recent ladder loses. If you are below GM on any server. You lose because you are bad, not because of spellcasters that people at your level don't even use correctly. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On August 18 2019 14:37 AttackZerg wrote: Feels like the community is filled with failed attempted pros who are in a constant froth from recent ladder loses. If you are below GM on any server. You lose because you are bad, not because of spellcasters that people at your level don't even use correctly. While it's true anyone below GM likely has bad mechanics or fundamentals, mass spellcasters and other horrible strats still plague the ladder and aren't exactly fun to play against. It's easy to blame losses on X oppenent using a busted or easy strat (especially if they are). | ||
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Avicularia
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NotSoHappy
445 Posts
tho, the gold leaguers could chill a lil bit with the whine, its getting old | ||
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RealityTheGreat
China564 Posts
On August 18 2019 14:29 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: interesting https://twitter.com/CreightonOlsen/status/1162958405222326272 Tell him tinfestors are destroying the game. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On August 18 2019 14:55 Avicularia wrote: I have to say there is zero hype for this team match. It was better with Koreans vs the world 2 years ago. Blame foreigners for getting smacked so hard they changed the rules | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On August 18 2019 14:59 Musicus wrote: Super hyped for the team match, the most entertaining part of the whole event imo! It would be tough for it not to be given how the events gone so far lol | ||
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HolydaKing
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seemsgood
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On August 18 2019 15:02 HolydaKing wrote: Hope Elazer vs Serral will be as hype as Elazer vs Dark, that was one of the best series so far. Team match also better not disappoint! Yeah, or the first Reynor vs Serral final! | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
lol | ||
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
United States398 Posts
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HolydaKing
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DocSchlakk
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Highrock1
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
United States398 Posts
On August 18 2019 15:10 Highrock1 wrote: are the captains playing? everyone plays | ||
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Die4Ever
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
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HolydaKing
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
On August 18 2019 15:08 GreasedUpDeafGuy wrote: We need a real team league so badly don't remind me | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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Highrock1
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
United States398 Posts
nobody wants to support it so oh well | ||
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Johny1
Poland39 Posts
Long macro games and better player win Also i think that power of KR scene were those team houses and 12+ hours a day practise. After some time in white mouse world you turn yourself into machine (aka Innovation). Since they lost that environment they lost that "super powers". There is no magic, they just use to work 3x harder then rest of the world and they dominated. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
that trash talk haha, this is the best | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
On August 18 2019 15:11 GreasedUpDeafGuy wrote: nobody wants to support it so oh well it's not that. it would be a logistical nightmare to have a functioning team league | ||
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NotSoHappy
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XDEKSDEEXD
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
Also last year Serral was the only non-Korean to win in the team event. Let's see if it's different this time. | ||
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
United States398 Posts
On August 18 2019 15:13 Noonius wrote: it's not that. it would be a logistical nightmare to have a functioning team league No, it's because no one wants to support it. Proleague rarely hit 5 digit viewers. It's very easy to have an online teamleauge with offline playoffs. People barely watch team starcraft, hell they barely watch official matches at all anymore. GSL has days where it maxes out at 7k viewers | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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HolydaKing
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On August 18 2019 15:20 GreasedUpDeafGuy wrote: No, it's because no one wants to support it. Proleague rarely hit 5 digit viewers. It's very easy to have an online teamleauge with offline playoffs. People barely watch team starcraft, hell they barely watch official matches at all anymore. GSL has days where it maxes out at 7k viewers Proleague was still fairly popular until 2016 to be fair | ||
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
United States398 Posts
On August 18 2019 15:21 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Oh they cleaned up the rules (which nobody understood including the casters last time). We're guaranteed 8 matches this time! It was that way the first time. They change it every time for who knows why | ||
TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
United States398 Posts
On August 18 2019 15:21 Fango wrote: Proleague was still fairly popular until 2016 to be fair That depends on what you mean by popular. If you mean it was popular among hardcore SC2 fans, sure. BW fans left for obvious reasons. And it wasn't exactly a popular team league esport otherwise | ||
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Musicus
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Noonius
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HolydaKing
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On August 18 2019 15:27 Noonius wrote: BRIBERY always. :D | ||
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Jasper_Ty
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On August 18 2019 15:27 The_Red_Viper wrote: He didn't look happy spending that money, not gonna lie I'm sure he can expense it, so why should he care? | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
On August 18 2019 15:27 The_Red_Viper wrote: He didn't look happy spending that money, not gonna lie he must've been calculating the tip, gotta be careful to not put the shareholders on edge about SC2 | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On August 18 2019 15:27 The_Red_Viper wrote: He didn't look happy spending that money, not gonna lie I think he was going for calm and humble. | ||
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TheDougler
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Waxangel
United States33392 Posts
aLive game  ? | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On August 18 2019 15:29 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I'm sure he can expense it, so why should he care? On August 18 2019 15:29 Die4Ever wrote: he must've been calculating the tip, gotta be careful to not put the shareholders on edge about SC2 No WCS/GSL next year huh :> | ||
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
United States398 Posts
On August 18 2019 15:29 Die4Ever wrote: he must've been calculating the tip, gotta be careful to not put the shareholders on edge about SC2 Im a pretty active investor and I post on some forums about it. Activision Blizzard stock is a joke. A literal joke among investors | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
On August 18 2019 15:30 Waxangel wrote: Blizzard brass showing up in GSL studio! aLive game ?pretending to care and delivering the news that wcs will end this year | ||
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Waxangel
United States33392 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On August 18 2019 15:30 TheDougler wrote: Overlord speed is hatchery tech these days? (I've been out of the loop for a while). Hasn't it been like that since HotS? | ||
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Musicus
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
but he needs to hurry up and kill Reynor | ||
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seemsgood
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Die4Ever
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seemsgood
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On August 18 2019 15:32 Noonius wrote: pretending to care and delivering the news that wcs will end this year he wont get out of korea alive ! | ||
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HolydaKing
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stilt
France2749 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On August 18 2019 15:32 Noonius wrote: pretending to care and delivering the news that wcs will end this year If it's like hots they won't deliver any news just not renew the league next year | ||
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Musicus
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seemsgood
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True_Spike
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Fango
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
On August 18 2019 15:39 Fango wrote: If it's like hots they won't deliver any news just not renew the league next year that sounds like how a person might cancel their netflix account lol | ||
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NotSoHappy
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Die4Ever
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
United States398 Posts
On August 18 2019 15:39 Fango wrote: If it's like hots they won't deliver any news just not renew the league next year you know it baby | ||
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sashkata
Bulgaria3241 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
show them doubters! | ||
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MoDiV
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
That is the best TvZ I have seen in a while. Either Reynor made some huge early mistake I missed, or Fantasy played the most brutal TvZ I've seen in a while. That was clean and he crushed. Woah. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On August 18 2019 15:42 sashkata wrote: I just now realize it's not korea vs world yep, but every match is still a world player vs a korean | ||
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HolydaKing
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agsub
Singapore368 Posts
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Die4Ever
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HolydaKing
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On August 18 2019 15:43 AttackZerg wrote: WTF? That is the best TvZ I have seen in a while. Either Reynor made some huge early mistake I missed, or Fantasy played the most brutal TvZ I've seen in a while. That was clean and he crushed. Woah. I agree, incredibly impressive. Lots of pushes and multiple drops at the same time! | ||
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Die4Ever
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emperorofwild
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only Zerg can beat Zerg, although weak in other matchup | ||
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Noonius
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droppanda
Australia176 Posts
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HolydaKing
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
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Die4Ever
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Zerg.Zilla
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
On August 18 2019 15:44 HolydaKing wrote: I agree, incredibly impressive. Lots of pushes and multiple drops at the same time! That was like Boxer vs Blackman from wcg 2003. Just took him apart. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Against Maru you either send Stats/TY/Dark to have a 50/50 shot at winning, or you send Heromarine to die given he probably won't get a win anyway | ||
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Musicus
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XDEKSDEEXD
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Also these pre match short videos are hilarious! | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On August 18 2019 15:47 Fango wrote: Sending out TIME is confusing. Against Maru you either send Stats/TY/Dark to have a 50/50 shot at winning, or you send Heromarine to die given he probably won't get a win anyway they have to send a foreigner | ||
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seemsgood
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ballehatten
Denmark56 Posts
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
United States398 Posts
On August 18 2019 15:47 Fango wrote: Sending out TIME is confusing. Against Maru you either send Stats/TY/Dark to have a 50/50 shot at winning, or you send Heromarine to die given he probably won't get a win anyway has to be a foreigner | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On August 18 2019 15:47 Fango wrote: Sending out TIME is confusing. Against Maru you either send Stats/TY/Dark to have a 50/50 shot at winning, or you send Heromarine to die given he probably won't get a win anyway They would send a korean if they could | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
On August 18 2019 15:47 Fango wrote: Sending out TIME is confusing. Against Maru you either send Stats/TY/Dark to have a 50/50 shot at winning, or you send Heromarine to die given he probably won't get a win anyway Maru's TvT can be very hit or miss, and TIME might just want to play Maru for fun and if Maru plays like he did 2 days ago then he's dead lol | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
United States398 Posts
On August 18 2019 15:47 ballehatten wrote: How to they determine who they send in? Only determined by map or do the team who is behind get to choose counter pick? or? Team that wins picks, team that lost counterpicks, must be a foreigner or korean if the pick was a korean of foreigner respectively | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
On August 18 2019 15:47 Fango wrote: Sending out TIME is confusing. Against Maru you either send Stats/TY/Dark to have a 50/50 shot at winning, or you send Heromarine to die given he probably won't get a win anyway Time has been playing sooo strong recently. This is the closest he has ever been top tier. I say Maru is only a 60/40 favorite .... but Time .... he is a hard worker. We will see a prepared build for sure. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33392 Posts
this team match has rules that are more complicated than the fucking Code S Ro16 group selection | ||
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emperorofwild
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
United States398 Posts
On August 18 2019 15:49 Waxangel wrote: this team match has rules that are more complicated than the fucking Code S Ro16 group selection eh, not really from here on out its just winning team picks someone, and the other team has to pick a world player if its GSL, or GSL if its world. Those are the only rules | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Oh that makes sense. They had to either send TIME or Heromarine basically. SpeCial would be a waste | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
United States398 Posts
On August 18 2019 15:50 The_Red_Viper wrote: What are the chances that Maru will just proxy Definitely over | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
On August 18 2019 15:49 Waxangel wrote: this team match has rules that are more complicated than the fucking Code S Ro16 group selection We're on a team, but you can't play against your peers - on the other team. Kinda weird. | ||
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Vindicare605
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On August 18 2019 15:50 The_Red_Viper wrote: What are the chances that Maru will just proxy Remember when he played a bo5 against TIME and lost 3-2 because he tried to proxy every single game? Only to play standard when playing him a month after and destroying him 2-0 | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On August 18 2019 15:50 The_Red_Viper wrote: What are the chances that Maru will just proxy He did lose to TIME at WESG by proxy-reapering every map. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33392 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On August 18 2019 15:50 AttackZerg wrote: We're on a team, but you can't play against your peers - on the other team. Kinda weird. "we want FR vs KR matches, but don't want another steamroll like the only time we tried a real KR vs FR match" | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On August 18 2019 15:51 ZigguratOfUr wrote: He did lose to TIME at WESG by proxy-reapering every map. So you are saying pretty high, maru doesn't adapt after all | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On August 18 2019 15:53 Fango wrote: "we want FR vs KR matches, but don't want another steamroll like the only time we tried a real KR vs FR match" Really doesn't make sense, people still count the matches anyway, last year KR won 7-1, even if they weren't on the same team. Edit: I guess soO vs Neeb didn't happen, so 6:1 | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On August 18 2019 15:52 Waxangel wrote: sOs is abusing his teammate privlege to make short-jokes about Maru that everyone else is too mannered to crack :[ I don't think anyone wants to make fun of Maru in interviews if they aren't close friends tbh. I wouldn't after the BM he used to pull in proleague | ||
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seemsgood
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On August 18 2019 15:53 HeroSandro wrote: Serral picked Maru first to troll the community da true troller was stats who 3-0d him then bombed out of existence | ||
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Die4Ever
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On August 18 2019 15:54 Musicus wrote: Really doesn't make sense, people still count the matches anyway, last year KR won 7-1, even if they weren't on the same team. Edit: I guess soO vs Neeb didn't happen, so 6:1 The first year 7-1 felt worse than an 8-0 tbh. The one map they won was a ridiculous outplaying of Kelazur by TY | ||
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On August 18 2019 15:58 Fango wrote: TIME is the first pro to actually listen to everyone on LR calling out Maru's 2 raxes before they happen that's his secret, he reads TL | ||
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On August 18 2019 16:01 Die4Ever wrote: Maru is pretty dead Oh? | ||
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On August 18 2019 15:57 Noonius wrote: wow, how original but TIME is still losing tho.DA GAP ! | ||
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On August 18 2019 16:02 Noonius wrote: why do I feel so good? to the suicide watchhhhh | ||
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On August 18 2019 16:09 Musicus wrote: TIME too aggressive for TvT it seems, it the other matchups he could've probably won with those attacks. Didn't work here. wont work in late game either | ||
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On August 18 2019 16:09 Musicus wrote: TIME too aggressive for TvT it seems, it the other matchups he could've probably won with those attacks. Didn't work here. Siege Tanks. | ||
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On August 18 2019 16:13 Fango wrote: Someone add that to the playlist of Maru 2 raxes that fail but he wins anyway can I get a link to that playlist? | ||
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I was joking but someone should make that | ||
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On August 18 2019 16:15 rednusa wrote: Is this going to be 8-0 for KR? I think Serral is a pretty safe bet, so 7-1 maybe. | ||
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On August 18 2019 16:15 rednusa wrote: Is this going to be 8-0 for KR? I doubt it, soO hasn't played yet, and neither has Serral and the other players have decent chances too | ||
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On August 18 2019 16:18 Die4Ever wrote: I doubt it, soO hasn't played yet, and neither has Serral and the other players have decent chances too Yeah a Serral 8-0 sounds more realistic. Although Stats, TY, and Dark are left to play | ||
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On August 18 2019 16:24 Vindicare605 wrote: Nick and Dan need to make a talk show and just bring in other SC personalities over and over. Whenever they are on a panel like this, it's always hilarious! Instead they have separate talk shows. | ||
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On August 18 2019 16:26 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Instead they have separate talk shows. I heard they even sleep in separate beds | ||
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On August 18 2019 16:26 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Instead they have separate talk shows. They probably feel they spend enough time together... | ||
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On August 18 2019 16:26 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Instead they have separate talk shows. They are an archon! they are not as powerful on their own! They're great sure, but they aren't THIS great lol. | ||
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On August 18 2019 16:26 The_Red_Viper wrote: I heard they even sleep in separate beds That's trash tabloid talk, I hear their marriage is completely fine, no sign of trouble. | ||
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On August 18 2019 16:27 SenorChang wrote: They probably feel they spend enough time together... The given explanation is that Tasteless doesn't want to get up as early as 9:30 am. | ||
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Die4Ever
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"this isn't real, this isn't real, this isn't real" | ||
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On August 18 2019 16:35 Die4Ever wrote: could you imagine standing there staring down a hallucination as it attacks you? "this isn't real, this isn't real, this isn't real" It's probably easier when you're a detector. | ||
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On August 18 2019 16:36 ZigguratOfUr wrote: It's probably easier when you're a detector. haha true, but it happens with other units too | ||
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On August 18 2019 16:38 seemsgood wrote: OLD MAN REACTION yea Classic has been bad with these widow mine drops | ||
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On August 18 2019 16:39 TheOneAboveU wrote: Classic's like "fuck you Serral, I'll ruin your team match" as a revenge. but in fact we all know major juan s playing like a goat and old man chin cant do shit | ||
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On August 18 2019 16:40 seemsgood wrote: but in fact we all know major juan s playing like a goat and old man chin cant do shit Oh yeah, just to clarify: This wasn't a serious comment, SpeCial is kicking ass right now. | ||
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come on Classic | ||
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On August 18 2019 16:41 TheOneAboveU wrote: Oh yeah, just to clarify: This wasn't a serious comment, SpeCial is kicking ass right now. i were not serious tho | ||
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Manner muling in the showmatch while losing the tournament, typical juanito here. | ||
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On August 18 2019 16:45 rednusa wrote: This makes me miss Proleague so much. Fuck dude me too. Proleague was peak sc2, GSL is great but I feel half of it is thanks to tastosis, proleague always was the more exciting format | ||
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On August 18 2019 16:45 rednusa wrote: This makes me miss Proleague so much. Makes me miss GSTL | ||
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On August 18 2019 16:47 fastr wrote: Fuck dude me too. Proleague was peak sc2, GSL is great but I feel half of it is thanks to tastosis, proleague always was the more exciting format Aupport china team championship and we'll see it as a reincarnation of PL. | ||
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Terran SC2 music mixed with Evanescence? Yes please! | ||
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On August 18 2019 16:56 seemsgood wrote: all terran players complain about balance David Kimmmmmmmmmmmmm Protoss players too | ||
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Have you seen the SC2 General Forums? Apparently the Battlecruiser is the most broken thing ever according to NA Zergs. | ||
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On August 18 2019 16:48 SamirDuran wrote: Aupport china team championship and we'll see it as a reincarnation of PL. As long as it isn't an offline league that the players earn absurdly high silaries to perform in, I highly doubt anything can be considered a Proleague "reincarnation". On August 18 2019 16:58 Vindicare605 wrote: Have you seen the SC2 General Forums? Apparently the Battlecruiser is the most broken thing ever according to NA Zergs. It's definitely an awfuly designed, catch-all unit that's kept in check only by Terran's inability do get there vs Protoss and the even more ridiculous counters-everything infestor. | ||
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On August 18 2019 16:58 TheOneAboveU wrote: Awww shit, here we go proxying again. ROLF TYTY played really beautifully there | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:09 Die4Ever wrote: lmao these players are complaining about zerg more than TL is yeah but this is healthy balance talk of players (gotta love that title ^^) | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:09 [PkF] Wire wrote: So far only T victories. Such a disgusting race Clearly the strongest race, players are just underperforming chokers when it matters. Real guys like Mvp are a lost relict. | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:09 Die4Ever wrote: lmao these players are complaining about zerg more than TL is Complaining? Please, those are HEALTHY Balance Discussions, okay? | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:09 [PkF] Wire wrote: So far only T victories. Such a disgusting race Heromarine will try to redress the balance. | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:12 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Heromarine will try to redress the balance. can't wait for him to be sent. The impersonations will be hilarious. | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:12 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Heromarine will try to redress the balance. Sacrificing himself to keep his race alive (and his stream). | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:15 SenorChang wrote: what time is serral vs elazer supposed to start? once the main event is done I would guess in about 2 hours from now? | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:15 SenorChang wrote: what time is serral vs elazer supposed to start? After team matches finish. | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:15 SenorChang wrote: what time is serral vs elazer supposed to start? After the team match, it's obviously impossible to tell when that is. Maybe in 2 hours? "Supposed" according to LP is in 44 minutes but yeah I don't think so. | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:12 HolydaKing wrote: Ohhh nice, we have 2 ZvZ confirmed right? yeah. Heromarine has to play Trap and then it's Dark/soO vs Elazer/Serral | ||
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so it will just get pushed back? liquipedia had said 45mins from now. and now there are still potentially 5 games to be played, with 4 having only been played so far. so it could be another 3 hours from now? | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:15 SenorChang wrote: what time is serral vs elazer supposed to start? 45 minutes from now supposedly, but that sounds unlikely given that the first four maps + downtime took two hours. | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:16 [PkF] Wire wrote: yeah. Heromarine has to play Trap and then it's Dark/soO vs Elazer/Serral Right, I hope so, would be fair since Elazer and Serral play ZvZ final after. | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:17 Musicus wrote: Terran doing well in bo1! well they ain't gonna win the upcoming match at least | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:17 HolydaKing wrote: Right, I hope so, would be fair since Elazer and Serral play ZvZ final after. I missed Heromarine vs Trap ro16, was it very one-sided or should we believe in big Gabe in a bo1 ? | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:18 [PkF] Wire wrote: I missed Heromarine vs Trap ro16, was it very one-sided or should we believe in big Gabe in a bo1 ? Big Gabe played really well. But trap's pvt is very good. | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:16 [PkF] Wire wrote: yeah. Heromarine has to play Trap and then it's Dark/soO vs Elazer/Serral I hope Dark doesn't try that stupid spine crawler rush again | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:25 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Elazer and Serral both having to play a ZvZ right before the finals must be kinda awkward. they're used to it since they play in WCS | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:25 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Elazer and Serral both having to play a ZvZ right before the finals must be kinda awkward. Juat 12pool drone pull | ||
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STATSBOYS | ||
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Serral is op, not zerg. Dark can't pass Elazer and soo can't win.....vs anyone. Rogue is out of sc2 map since early 2018. Solar didn't won anything since 2016. Like really dude....what r u talking about? | ||
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Yesterday foreigners eliminated koreans from the main tournaments and I saw people announcing the death of korean scene; today it seems like it never happened judging by the comments on koreans crushing foreigners; choose one, guys. | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:27 HolydaKing wrote: Team Serral is falling apart after a great start, lol. technically they are left with only favorable mus I feel, so I still like their position | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:28 stilt wrote: The gap is closing ! not the gap in the wall of showtime though | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:27 Johny1 wrote: Ty is a joke. Zerg op, oh yeah. That's why Maru won 4x Code S in a row. That's why soo rogue solar and rest kr zergs getting owned left and right. Serral is op, not zerg. Dark can't pass Elazer and soo can't win.....vs anyone. Rogue is out of sc2 map since early 2018. Solar didn't won anything since 2016. Like really dude....what r u talking about? Yes, they only won every WCS event, IEM Katowice, GSL, poor Zergs. 24 premier finals, 13 zergs. But yes, Maru exists. | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:30 [PkF] Wire wrote: ha ha ha ha such rps skill now we know who will be the champ tonight | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:32 nojok wrote: "Game is perfectly balanced" - Zerg players that's how you know it's bad | ||
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Zergs: "Oh yea game is balanced!" Protoss: "Zerg Imba!" Terran: "Zerg IMBA, Protoss IMBA!" | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:32 nojok wrote: "Game is perfectly balanced" - Zerg players "Zerg is imba" - players that are not zerg. Funny how it works. | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:34 Penev wrote: I see I woke up into a lovely balance discussion Don't worry, it's a HEALTHY balance talk. | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:34 Tsubbi wrote: tl threads nowdays dont differ much from reddit, have mods given up entirely? we're just talking about what the players are saying lol it's unavoidable | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:35 NotSoHappy wrote: can someone point me the time in sc2 history that terran wasnt whinning? back in the GOMTvT days maybe a bit during Taeja's prime? | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:28 Xain0n wrote: Hmm, I'm extremely confused. Yesterday foreigners eliminated koreans from the main tournaments and I saw people announcing the death of korean scene; today it seems like it never happened judging by the comments on koreans crushing foreigners; choose one, guys. FoReIgNeRs ArE nOt PlAyInG sErIoUsLy. It iS jUsT a ShOwMaTcH | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:36 Die4Ever wrote: back in the GOMTvT days maybe a bit during Taeja's prime? Taeja did well a lot when the rest of the terrans weren't, so I think there was quite a bit of whining there. There wasn't too much terran whining during hellbat drop meta. | ||
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I wish we had something like this more than once a year | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:29 DieuCure wrote: Yes, they only won every WCS event, IEM Katowice, GSL, poor Zergs. 24 premier finals, 13 zergs. But yes, Maru exists. WCS is all about 1 player: Serral Code S zerg champions history: 2015 Life .....2019 Dark. IEM Katowice champs history: P P P T T Z Z Kr zergs are super weak. Non-koreans are all weak accept Serral who is god. That's the story. | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:40 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Taeja did well a lot when the rest of the terrans weren't, so I think there was quite a bit of whining there. There wasn't too much terran whining during hellbat drop meta. Wonder why | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:40 [PkF] Wire wrote: that rock paper scissors meta is so much deeper than I thought This is literally the most discussed match of today | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:40 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Taeja did well a lot when the rest of the terrans weren't, so I think there was quite a bit of whining there. There wasn't too much terran whining during hellbat drop meta. Yes there was, because Helbat drops were as bad or worse in TvT than in the other match ups and it was retarded. The thing is, when Terran is imbalanced, what's imbalanced tends to break TvT just as often as the other match ups, and we want that shit gone. Another example? Reapers. Reapers are a scourge on TvT, so when they are OP like they have been in the past, Terrans are more than happy to see them nerfed. | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:40 Johny1 wrote: WCS is all about 1 player: Serral Code S zerg champions history: 2015 Life .....2019 Dark. IEM Katowice champs history: P P P T T Z Z Kr zergs are super weak. Non-koreans are all weak accept Serral who is god. That's the story. "Maru won 4x COde S in a row" "Serral doesn't count", yes, ok. | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:40 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Taeja did well a lot when the rest of the terrans weren't, so I think there was quite a bit of whining there. There wasn't too much terran whining during hellbat drop meta. they whinne during every era taejas byuns innos marus everytime its not enough, even with most premier title wins its not enough just one race, no matter if p or z is stronger for a LITTLE bit they lose their minds im watching this for years and terrans are the worst | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:43 NotSoHappy wrote: they whinne during every era taejas innos marus everytime its not enough, even with most premier title wins its not enough just one race, no matter if p or z is stronger for a LITTLE bit they lose their minds im watching this for years and terrans are the worst It's easy to explain dude. Terran success is limited to a single amazing player at a time. At every other level including the pro level, every other player is not seeing that success. Look what happens when Protoss or Zergs are imbalanced. They are filling entire brackets of tournaments all abusing the same strategy. Be it, Nydus Worms, Immortal All Ins, Infestor/Broodlord or Blink Stalker all ins. It's not comparable. When was the last time we've seen a single dominant Terran strategy fill an entire bracket of a tournament? Last one I can think of is mass Reaper a couple years ago, and that shit WAS broken af. | ||
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edit : but is unlikely to win since Serral soO and Trap Heromarine should go for team Serral. | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:48 Penev wrote: good to see the koreans wake up in time for the important part of the tournament Team Match format automatically gives them a nostalgic buff. | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:49 TheOneAboveU wrote: Team Match format automatically gives them a nostalgic buff. I wish there were more tournaments like these. Can't wait for Nation Wars. | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:40 Musicus wrote: This is literally the most discussed match of today https://twitter.com/esportstarcraft/status/1163007055864537088 It looks like Serral cheated here. He played scissors very late. | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:43 NotSoHappy wrote: they whinne during every era taejas byuns innos marus everytime its not enough, even with most premier title wins its not enough just one race, no matter if p or z is stronger for a LITTLE bit they lose their minds im watching this for years and terrans are the worst there was a meme on reddit which fits pretty well here | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:46 Vindicare605 wrote: It's easy to explain dude. Terran success is limited to a single amazing player at a time. At every other level including the pro level, every other player is not seeing that success. Look what happens when Protoss or Zergs are imbalanced. They are filling entire brackets of tournaments all abusing the same strategy. Be it, Nydus Worms, Immortal All Ins, Infestor/Broodlord or Blink Stalker all ins. It's not comparable. When was the last time we've seen a single dominant Terran strategy fill an entire bracket of a tournament? Last one I can think of is mass Reaper a couple years ago, and that shit WAS broken af. You're joking right? Did you think GOMTvT was an ironic kind of moniker like calling a big man 'tiny'? | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:50 Argonauta wrote: is there something better than RoterdaM impression of HeroMarine? two RotterdaM impressions of HeroMarine. Nothing measures. | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:49 TheOneAboveU wrote: Team Match format automatically gives them a nostalgic buff. god I miss proleague :/ | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:50 zestzorb wrote: It looks like Serral cheated here. He played scissors very late. Yeah, now that you say it... tournament admin should check that replay again! | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:51 Musicus wrote: Yeah, now that you say it... tournament admin should check that replay again! regame! this is worse than a power outage WE WANT LAN! | ||
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Vindicare605
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On August 18 2019 17:50 SSNYC77 wrote: You're joking right? Did you think GOMTvT was an ironic kind of moniker like calling a big man 'tiny'? That was 8 years ago and 2 expansions ago dude. I'm talking about more recently than that. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
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On August 18 2019 17:51 Musicus wrote: Yeah, now that you say it... tournament admin should check that replay again! just rewatched, the scissors are indeed very late. Dodging Dark like a wuss. | ||
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Die4Ever
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HolydaKing
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On August 18 2019 17:48 Musicus wrote: I mean Serral and Trap should win right? Should, but it's not a given. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
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the match should be decided here. Good though RotterdaM's big Gabe impersonations may be, I can't picture him winning vs Trap. | ||
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stilt
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On August 18 2019 17:36 Die4Ever wrote: back in the GOMTvT days maybe a bit during Taeja's prime? They were already whining a lot, if not the most (among other races) during gomtvt. | ||
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Die4Ever
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On August 18 2019 17:53 SSNYC77 wrote: I think there is a bit of an oversight in the rulebook, making finalists play their finals matchups before the said finals. Serral was his own team captain, he could've easily avoided ZvZ by sending himself earlier if he wanted | ||
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Johny1
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Nothing change. Well.....Serral was born. That's only difference. | ||
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HolydaKing
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On August 18 2019 17:53 SSNYC77 wrote: I think there is a bit of an oversight in the rulebook, making finalists play their finals matchups before the said finals. Nah, it's fine since they both play it. | ||
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Kalera
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On August 18 2019 17:53 Die4Ever wrote: someone tell soO this is a semifinals match It is potentially the second to last game of the team match... | ||
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[PkF] Wire
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On August 18 2019 17:54 Die4Ever wrote: Serral was his own team captain, he could've easily avoided ZvZ by sending himself earlier if he wanted it's not like you're going to reveal much by playing one ZvZ before a bo7. | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:55 [PkF] Wire wrote: it's not like you're going to reveal much by playing one ZvZ before a bo7. Also they know each other pretty well anyway. | ||
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Xain0n
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On August 18 2019 17:38 SamirDuran wrote: FoReIgNeRs ArE nOt PlAyInG sErIoUsLy. It iS jUsT a ShOwMaTcH Yea, you surely nailed it… I definitely prefer for foreigners to rock in the main event and lose in the team competition, but that doesn't mean the games aren't played for real. This whole thing is incredibly stupid, foreigners weren't weak before, weren't gods before yesterday, aren't bad right now; I personally predicted a 5-3 for koreans in this event but it's probably going to be a 6-2(Reynor being REKT by Fantasy was definitely one upset). | ||
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SSNYC77
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That isnt the issue, the issue is that neither of them will play a serious game. | ||
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Vindicare605
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On August 18 2019 17:56 Penev wrote: looks like another liquibet loss, this must be the worst I ever done in one tournament lol Are you already counting out team Serral? I'd say the last two match ups are Team Serral favored. The Ace match will probably be what decides this. | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:58 SSNYC77 wrote: That isnt the issue, the issue is that neither of them will play a serious game. Elazer already played a serious game, what are you talking about. He looked dazzled he lost and he was close to winning as well. | ||
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Xain0n
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On August 18 2019 17:54 Johny1 wrote: It's 5-1 for Koreans Nothing change. Well.....Serral was born. That's only difference. What about the last two days then? Again, this doesn't imply the gap has closed but that doesn't mean it's as wide as ever, either. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On August 18 2019 17:58 Vindicare605 wrote: Are you already counting out team Serral? I'd say the last two match ups are Team Serral favored. The Ace match will probably be what decides this. Team Dark just needs one of the next three though. | ||
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nojok
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On August 18 2019 18:00 HolydaKing wrote: Elazer already played a serious game, what are you talking about. He looked dazzled he lost and he was close to winning as well. Come on, if he plays seriously a foreigner can't possibly lose to a Korean, the GAP is too big. | ||
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Die4Ever
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maybe Stats vs Serral? | ||
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On August 18 2019 18:03 Die4Ever wrote: so if we get the ace match, does it have to be korean vs foreigner? I'm guessing that restriction is lifted for the ace match maybe Stats vs Serral? Maybe the captains fight each other? =D | ||
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Musicus
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On August 18 2019 18:03 Die4Ever wrote: so if we get the ace match, does it have to be korean vs foreigner? I'm guessing that restriction is lifted for the ace match maybe Stats vs Serral? yeah that restriction is lifted for the ace match | ||
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On August 18 2019 17:58 Vindicare605 wrote: Are you already counting out team Serral? I'd say the last two match ups are Team Serral favored. The Ace match will probably be what decides this. I'm counting out my ability to predict SC2 matches properly, mostly | ||
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On August 18 2019 18:03 Die4Ever wrote: so if we get the ace match, does it have to be korean vs foreigner? I'm guessing that restriction is lifted for the ace match maybe Stats vs Serral? ooooh there is an ace ? I thought a tie was possible. | ||
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NotSoHappy
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On August 18 2019 17:46 Vindicare605 wrote: It's easy to explain dude. Terran success is limited to a single amazing player at a time. At every other level including the pro level, every other player is not seeing that success. Look what happens when Protoss or Zergs are imbalanced. They are filling entire brackets of tournaments all abusing the same strategy. Be it, Nydus Worms, Immortal All Ins, Infestor/Broodlord or Blink Stalker all ins. It's not comparable. When was the last time we've seen a single dominant Terran strategy fill an entire bracket of a tournament? Last one I can think of is mass Reaper a couple years ago, and that shit WAS broken af. Please, in sc2 history, 3 expansions you can't say "terrans are just better". Thats just biased opinion. You can say "terran had better luck in patches" or "terran found quality/abusive strats faster than other races and abused them better" or "terran was the most op during the early stage of the game and to this day theyre strong as hell even with all the nerfs". Terran is the race with most premier title wins, yet you still bring the "protoss zerg abuse one strat" card. Not really they are and we aren't seeing anything close to GomTvT era. You have to realise many great players quitted this game over the years and we're left with small pool of pros that are split in various levels of skills. Maybe its true that playing terran without mistakes is harder and less forgiving than zerg or protoss, but their skill ceiling is the highest from all three races. We should balance for the top of the top players and not gold leaguers that just can't macro properly. We as spectators want to watch CLOSE games and not one pro abusing one strat over and over again and before you say anything I can't see Roro level of abuse this tournament, becaue not every pro did infestor BL and you can't argue that getting it was the thing that moved the game in zergs direction because of so many factors that affect this game. Meta is developping, players are trying new things and we are wasting time bitching about meaningless stuff with patch around the corner that will change things up. Maru last year abused Raven and Proxy 2-rax builds that were hard as fuck to scout and counter properly, because of so many options. He and other terrans. Look at the gsl standings and tell me honestly which terrans you think are underperforming due to balance, because to me they are performing for their own skill level. Maru plays worse, but so is Serral. They won a lot and people started to figure them out. That's how this game looks. It's in the best shape since many years'. I just wish they spent more time for fixing (fixing not NERFING and bandaiding) protoss. | ||
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Die4Ever
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On August 18 2019 18:06 [PkF] Wire wrote: ooooh there is an ace ? I thought a tie was possible. a tie? that would be serious blue balls lol | ||
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Xain0n
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On August 18 2019 18:07 [PkF] Wire wrote: From the liquipedia page : If needed, an ace match will be played between blind picked players. That's a pity, I would have loved to see Serral vs Stats. | ||
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nojok
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Nerf mirror match! | ||
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DieuCure
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On August 18 2019 18:07 [PkF] Wire wrote: From the liquipedia page : If needed, an ace match will be played between blind picked players. I hope we can avoid another ZvZ | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On August 18 2019 18:08 Xain0n wrote: That's a pity, I would have loved to see Serral vs Stats. Why would a blind pick preclude Serral vs Stats? | ||
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On August 18 2019 18:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Why would a blind pick preclude Serral vs Stats? not preclude, but a 1/64th chance isn't exactly likely | ||
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TheOneAboveU
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On August 18 2019 18:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Why would a blind pick preclude Serral vs Stats? None of them wear glasses. | ||
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DieuCure
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On August 18 2019 18:10 [PkF] Wire wrote: Wonder what would be the best and the worst ace match with a blind pick. Best : Maru/Dark if they macro Worst : ZvZ | ||
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On August 18 2019 18:11 [PkF] Wire wrote: not preclude, but a 1/64th chance isn't exactly likely Blind pick as in each team picks without the other team knowing who the opponent is picking I assume. Not random pick. | ||
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On August 18 2019 18:12 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Blind pick as in each team picks without the other team knowing who the opponent is picking I assume. Not random pick. Ah, well, if that's the case I'm fine with it. | ||
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On August 18 2019 18:12 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Blind pick as in each team picks without the other team knowing who the opponent is picking I assume. Not random pick. oh that'd be much better and you're probably right. Glad I misunderstood. | ||
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Vindicare605
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On August 18 2019 18:07 NotSoHappy wrote: Please, in sc2 history, 3 expansions you can't say "terrans are just better". Thats just biased opinion. You can say "terran had better luck in patches" or "terran found quality/abusive strats faster than other races and abused them better" or "terran was the most op during the early stage of the game and to this day theyre strong as hell even with all the nerfs". Terran is the race with most premier title wins, yet you still bring the "protoss zerg abuse one strat" card. Not really they are and we aren't seeing anything close to GomTvT era. You have to realise many great players quitted this game over the years and we're left with small pool of pros that are split in various levels of skills. Maybe its true that playing terran without mistakes is harder and less forgiving than zerg or protoss, but their skill ceiling is the highest from all three races. We should balance for the top of the top players and not gold leaguers that just can't macro properly. We as spectators want to watch CLOSE games and not one pro abusing one strat over and over again and before you say anything I can't see Roro level of abuse this tournament, becaue not every pro did infestor BL and you can't argue that getting it was the thing that moved the game in zergs direction because of so many factors that affect this game. Meta is developping, players are trying new things and we are wasting time bitching about meaningless stuff with patch around the corner that will change things up. Maru last year abused Raven and Proxy 2-rax builds that were hard as fuck to scout and counter properly, because of so many options. He and other terrans. Look at the gsl standings and tell me honestly which terrans you think are underperforming due to balance, because to me they are performing for their own skill level. Maru plays worse, but so is Serral. They won a lot and people started to figure them out. That's how this game looks. It's in the best shape since many years'. I just wish they spent more time for fixing (fixing not NERFING and bandaiding) protoss. For the record, I think Balance is pretty good at the moment outside of PvZ late game. I'm just explaining why historically Terrans have felt like they've had more to complain about. Just because the current top player in the world is winning, it doesn't impact the rest of the scene that much except as inspiration. The Foreign scene has historically been totally devoid of Terrans. That's not debatable, that's just a fact. The current era we're in has had more good Terran players than any era before it by a large margin. That's just one example of that. If you go by who has the most titles only, that tells a story, but it's not the only one and it's a really narrow way of looking at things. | ||
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And what Trap said really shows korean zergs don't go late game that much x) | ||
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On August 18 2019 18:21 stilt wrote: HM is composed and sensible as always. And what Trap said really shows korean zergs don't go late game that much x) soO certainly does not. | ||
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On August 18 2019 18:22 Elentos wrote: Stats vs Serral ace match almost seems too straightforward doesn't it? Would Serral want to play an extra game before a bo7? | ||
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On August 18 2019 18:22 Elentos wrote: Stats vs Serral ace match almost seems too straightforward doesn't it? Reynor seems to want to play Serral very much, they might just let him play. I'd love if Serral doesn't get to play and Maru plays instead. | ||
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Musicus
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On August 18 2019 18:23 nojok wrote: Would Serral want to play an extra game before a bo7? Yeah, they should just ask Maru to play again. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
On August 18 2019 18:24 HolydaKing wrote: Reynor seems to want to play Serral very much, they might just let him play. I'd love if Serral doesn't get to play and Maru plays instead. I think Trap would be a safe all-around pick if Serral doesn't want to play or maybe Classic but he was pretty sloppy this weekend | ||
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On August 18 2019 18:22 Elentos wrote: Stats vs Serral ace match almost seems too straightforward doesn't it? yeah seems too straightforward to me as well. I actually don't think Serral will send himself before the finals. I have a feeling Dark will send himself though and I think team Serral will have the same feeling, so we could end up with Dark vs a Dark sniper ; maybe Stats/TY vs a Dark sniper. I'm pretty sure the end result will be surprising. Anyway Trap needs to win for this to happen. It's very likely, but then again... | ||
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On August 18 2019 18:24 HolydaKing wrote: Reynor seems to want to play Serral very much, they might just let him play. I'd love if Serral doesn't get to play and Maru plays instead. See why play Reynor who can maybe beat Serral when you have Stats who wouldn't get completely rekt if Serral didn't play the ace? | ||
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On August 18 2019 18:27 sneakyfox wrote: How was the Serral vs soO game? Dark vs Elazer was better. | ||
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NotSoHappy
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On August 18 2019 18:19 Vindicare605 wrote: For the record, I think Balance is pretty good at the moment outside of PvZ late game. I'm just explaining why historically Terrans have felt like they've had more to complain about. Just because the current top player in the world is winning, it doesn't impact the rest of the scene that much except as inspiration. The Foreign scene has historically been totally devoid of Terrans. That's not debatable, that's just a fact. The current era we're in has had more good Terran players than any era before it by a large margin. That's just one example of that. If you go by who has the most titles only, that tells a story, but it's not the only one and it's a really narrow way of looking at things. I honestly think just recently foreigner are closing the gap when it comes to pure mechanics and with inferior mechanics its easier to play protoss and zerg when facing korean opposition. With that in mind you can't balance terran around foreigner mechanical skills, because that'd turn korea territory into terran fiesta and this would be bad for the game. I think the infestor is not OP, but the infestor buff with HT nerf, Carrier nerf and little bit of stagnation of meta turned late game PvZ into Z favour. That's why I'd rather see Protoss late game buff than infestor nerf, because we need to have late game TvZ in mind too. But I'd wait first a little bit, because Stats games vs Serral were intresting. | ||
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On August 18 2019 18:31 NotSoHappy wrote: I honestly think just recently foreigner are closing the gap when it comes to pure mechanics and with inferior mechanics its easier to play protoss and zerg when facing korean opposition. With that in mind you can't balance terran around foreigner mechanical skills, because that'd turn korea territory into terran fiesta and this would be bad for the game. I think the infestor is not OP, but the infestor buff with HT nerf, Carrier nerf and little bit of stagnation of meta turned late game PvZ into Z favour. That's why I'd rather see Protoss late game buff than infestor nerf, because we need to have late game TvZ in mind too. The infestor is OP as long as the infested Terran bug isn't fixed. It's just unclear whether fixing the bug was enough and if the extra nerf on top was ever needed. | ||
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Vindicare605
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On August 18 2019 18:31 NotSoHappy wrote: I honestly think just recently foreigner are closing the gap when it comes to pure mechanics and with inferior mechanics its easier to play protoss and zerg when facing korean opposition. Irrelevant considering Terrans never won premiere events against foreigners either. Seriously go and look at the entire history of SC2 for Terran foreign wins in premiere tournaments. I have, there are 3 tops and 2 of those are Thorzain in early WoL. | ||
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On August 18 2019 18:40 romson87 wrote: Goodbye liquibets.. IKR, I got massacred in this tournament. | ||
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On August 18 2019 18:41 Penev wrote: look at the score; terran clearly op 100% winrate | ||
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On August 18 2019 18:40 romson87 wrote: Goodbye liquibets.. I don't even wanna look at mine, it's a disgusting mess. | ||
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Korea 5 - 3 World | ||
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On August 18 2019 18:41 Elentos wrote: Honestly though what the fuck was Trap doing in the middle of the map feeding his immortals for free! | ||
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On August 18 2019 18:41 Jasper_Ty wrote: Team Dark 5 - 3 Team Serral Korea 5 - 3 World Gap has closed, for the first time the World has won more than 1 game. | ||
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In no particular order: Maru, Serral, Stats, Classic... and GIRTH | ||
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On August 18 2019 18:44 Argonauta wrote: I understand why they dont want to do team korea vs team world. But honestly these fake up teams dont bring any hype. It is more by the individual perfomances Hey this event should show that if there's ever another GSL vs The World they no longer have to make fake teams to mask the scores. | ||
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On August 18 2019 18:44 Argonauta wrote: I understand why they dont want to do team korea vs team world. But honestly these fake up teams dont bring any hype. It is more by the individual perfomances They should either do team Korea vs team world, or they should matchup circuit vs korea in the regular bracket. If this tourney ever happens again, that is. | ||
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On August 18 2019 18:46 Vazalemma wrote: Trap threw that last game. If Trap hadn't thrown, Serral would have most likely won the ace match against any opponent, which would have lead to Team Serral victory. Kind of disappointed over that final match, that just looked bad >_> Trap vs Heromarine was at least very even before Trap decided to end it and give Gabe the win. TIME threw a huge advantage against Maru. | ||
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On August 18 2019 18:46 Vazalemma wrote: Trap kinda threw that last game at the end there. If Trap hadn't thrown, Serral would have most likely won the ace match against any opponent, which would have lead to Team Serral victory. Kind of disappointed over that final match... I don't think that Serral was 'likely' to win against Stats. | ||
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On August 18 2019 18:48 5ecured wrote: I thoroughly enjoyed the team matches same, far more than I thought I would. | ||
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On August 18 2019 18:50 sneakyfox wrote: I don't think that Serral was 'likely' to win against Stats. It's even up for debate if he'd have played at all since he's gonna play in the finals and they have Maru and Classic as back-up aces. | ||
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On August 18 2019 18:55 sneakyfox wrote: This is sooo good I could watch this all day, seriously | ||
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On August 18 2019 18:56 Die4Ever wrote: zergs are liars lol Yeah, and Protoss genuinely believe that they are underpowered. | ||
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On August 18 2019 18:57 [PkF] Wire wrote: Best segment ever. The Special part (everyone is trash) was priceless. No, maru is good. | ||
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On August 18 2019 18:57 sneakyfox wrote: Yeah, and Protoss genuinely believe that they are underpowered. TY thinks soO is a better caster. soO focusing on casting more than TY would explain why soO loses all his matches atm | ||
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And TY of course. | ||
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did he say that ? I thought it was 1) "WCS Terrans are weak" (answer : yes [truth]) 2) a list of WCS Terrans called trash, 3) I'm trash myself. | ||
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On August 18 2019 19:00 [PkF] Wire wrote: did he say that ? I thought it was 1) "WCS Terrans are weak" (answer : yes [truth]) 2) a list of WCS Terrans called trash, 3) I'm trash myself. He said all Terrans are trash except Maru and TY. | ||
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On August 18 2019 19:00 [PkF] Wire wrote: did he say that ? I thought it was 1) "WCS Terrans are weak" (answer : yes [truth]) 2) a list of WCS Terrans called trash, 3) I'm trash myself. he said only Maru and TY good terran, rest trash | ||
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On August 18 2019 19:01 Elentos wrote: He said all Terrans are trash except Maru and TY. On August 18 2019 19:01 Argonauta wrote: he said only Maru and TY good terran, rest trash ha ha looks fair. | ||
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On August 18 2019 19:05 Circumstance wrote: Apparently, J. Allen Brack is actually in Seoul right now to support Blizzard esports! He's at the Hearthstone. He bought the entire studio burgers earlier. | ||
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On August 18 2019 19:08 Elentos wrote: I gotta say tho, team Dark did way better with their player picks than team Serral. Their decisions made way more sense. Dark's newly acquired skill at picking better GSL groups for himself did translate to this event after all. | ||
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Die4Ever
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On August 18 2019 19:10 stilt wrote: Would love to understand korean just to hear caster park. the best caster, and the voice of GSL | ||
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Elentos
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On August 18 2019 19:10 TheOneAboveU wrote: Dark's newly acquired skill at picking better GSL groups for himself did translate to this event after all. He played under BoxeR and oov, he has to have picked up some prediction and coaching skills at some point. Seems impossible not to. | ||
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stilt
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On August 18 2019 19:09 Pandain wrote: If Elazer wins this it's the biggest upset run since Stardust (sp?) won his first big tournament. I'd say this is even bigger... Actually if he had won, Lucky's run at ipl 3 would have been a large upset but Elazer's win should be the biggest we've seen so far. | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On August 18 2019 19:07 Schelim wrote: tbh i'm rooting for Elazer, dude came in there being criticised by everyone, now in the finals. They way he was voted in was criticized. People knew he was 8th in the WCS standings aka pretty good. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On August 18 2019 19:11 Jasper_Ty wrote: when did WCS Europe have such good production damn Even ASUS ROG had better production value than WCS Kiev | ||
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HolydaKing
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On August 18 2019 19:14 D-light wrote: They way he was voted in was criticized. People knew he was 8th in the WCS standings aka pretty good. Not really true, check the voting thread. Lots of people were saying he's trash and doesn't deserve it. | ||
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Elentos
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On August 18 2019 19:09 Pandain wrote: If Elazer wins this it's the biggest upset run since Stardust (sp?) won his first big tournament. Honestly though Elazer's run had a little help from his friends. The players he beat so far are all in his ballpark (even Dark is when it comes to ZvZ even though he's ahead in non-mirror). Imagine if he beat Dark, soO, Stats and then Serral. That'd be the run. Especially Stats into Serral. Serral clearly had a much harder road to the finals but he's Serral so we all go "meh". | ||
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TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
On August 18 2019 19:16 SC-Shield wrote: Does Blizzard still give portraits for watching tournaments? If you bought the War Chest you can level it up by watching streams, yes. Ironically, they didn't enable this for GSL vs the World (at least it's not for me?). | ||
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On August 18 2019 19:17 TheOneAboveU wrote: If you bought the War Chest you can level it up by watching streams, yes. Ironically, they didn't enable this for GSL vs the World (at least it's not for me?). The main stream doesn't give War Chest XP but (some of?) the other streams do. TaKeTV definitely gives War Chest XP. | ||
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TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
On August 18 2019 19:19 Elentos wrote: The main stream doesn't give War Chest XP but (some of?) the other streams do. TaKeTV definitely gives War Chest XP. Ah damn, fuck me for watching in English I guess. :D | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
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WhurreOdu
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On August 18 2019 19:21 Noonius wrote: quick 4:0 please, so I can go back watching Mindhunter How is the new season? I didn't start it yet. | ||
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On August 18 2019 19:10 stilt wrote: Would love to understand korean just to hear caster park. I was just sitting there thinking "Caster Park makes me want to learn Korean". | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On August 18 2019 19:23 WhurreOdu wrote: How is the new season? I didn't start it yet. Decent, which means way below the first one. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On August 18 2019 19:24 sneakyfox wrote: ZvZ so imba. One of the races has nydus, the other doesn't, gg. I've seen Serral defend vs nydus aggression before, and it went quite well. | ||
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Die4Ever
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Penev
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sneakyfox
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On August 18 2019 19:25 HolydaKing wrote: I've seen Serral defend vs nydus aggression before, and it went quite well. Have you seen Elazer defend it? lol | ||
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HolydaKing
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Yes, he has too terrible map awareness. This game again he didn't notice the nydus. | ||
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Noonius
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On August 18 2019 19:23 WhurreOdu wrote: How is the new season? I didn't start it yet. not as good as season 1 since you kinda know the pattern and can predict what's coming next but still way better than most shows out there. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On August 18 2019 19:30 Elentos wrote: Sounds like so far my decision to not watch the finals wasn't a mistake. Hey, it isn't over yet. Elazer can still win. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
On August 18 2019 19:28 HolydaKing wrote: Yes, he has too terrible map awareness. This game again he didn't notice the nydus. is that why Dark tried the spine crawler rush vs him? I mean, Elazer only spotted it by luck when a drone randomly spawned towards it | ||
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HolydaKing
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On August 18 2019 19:30 Die4Ever wrote: is that why Dark tried the spine crawler rush vs him? I mean, Elazer only spotted it by luck when a drone randomly spawned towards it Didn't he scout it because his extractor finished and he had more vision because of it? | ||
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Noonius
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On August 18 2019 19:31 Luolis wrote: Prepare the hockey gifs boys kyllä lähtee | ||
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On August 18 2019 19:30 HolydaKing wrote: Hey, it isn't over yet. Elazer can still win. I'm not a fan of either player so really the only way this gets interesting is if they play a game of the year candidate I have to go back to watch. | ||
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sneakyfox
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On August 18 2019 19:28 HolydaKing wrote: Yes, he has too terrible map awareness. This game again he didn't notice the nydus. Scouting good unit in ZvZ. And I do find it a bit that Elazer has so many problems with supply blocks (or too many overlords) when he really wants to play macro games. | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On August 18 2019 19:30 Elentos wrote: Sounds like so far my decision to not watch the finals wasn't a mistake. Congrats dude. | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
On August 18 2019 19:32 Penev wrote: hockey gifs of bench sitters looking bored? I propose to change the hockey gifs to Kummeli gifs instead. Finns will know | ||
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Penev
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On August 18 2019 19:34 Noonius wrote: I propose to change the hockey gifs to Kummeli gifs instead. Finns will know huh, finnish comedy is it funny? | ||
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Elentos
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On August 18 2019 19:33 sneakyfox wrote: Scouting good unit in ZvZ. And I do find it a bit that Elazer has so many problems with supply blocks (or too many overlords) when he really wants to play macro games. Dark also gets supply blocked a lot at unfortunate timings. Elazer copying him yet again. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On August 18 2019 19:34 Noonius wrote: I propose to change the hockey gifs to Kummeli gifs instead. Finns will know When we could have had sick stuff if Elazer wins like this one + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://rlv.zcache.ca/poland_eraser-ra8cff73d19644069a77753ab3f5d2fee_6z2a5_307.jpg?rlvnet=1) | ||
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yht9657
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On August 18 2019 19:30 Elentos wrote: Sounds like so far my decision to not watch the finals wasn't a mistake. Well you just missed the chance to see Gyuri in the audience. | ||
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sneakyfox
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On August 18 2019 19:39 yht9657 wrote: Well you just missed the chance to see Gyuri in the audience. Definitely a highlight for me | ||
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Elentos
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On August 18 2019 19:39 yht9657 wrote: Well you just missed the chance to see Gyuri in the audience. Gyuri drew the bracket so she's the reason Elazer is in the finals. And thus if the finals are terrible it's her fault. It's good she takes responsibility and shows up to the match. | ||
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Die4Ever
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stilt
France2749 Posts
Lame game btw. | ||
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On August 18 2019 19:41 Elentos wrote: Gyuri drew the bracket so she's the reason Elazer is in the finals. And thus if the finals are terrible it's her fault. It's good she takes responsibility and shows up to the match. Neeb is the reason Elazer is in the finals, but Elazer himself is even more. | ||
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On August 18 2019 19:42 sneakyfox wrote: So, Afreeca GSL is obviously the greatest production there is. What do we actually know about how much Blizzard supports GSL financially? If Blizzard pulls the plug, could the GSL continue? (presuming that there are still players, viewers, etc) They do things like BJ Destruction matches without Blizzard support. There's a chance they're willing to continue so long as there's players and viewer interest. Though even in a best case scenario, Blizzard pulling the plug would obviously cause some cuts. | ||
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On August 18 2019 19:45 Elentos wrote: They do things like BJ Destruction matches without Blizzard support. There's a chance they're willing to continue so long as there's players and viewer interest. Though even in a best case scenario, Blizzard pulling the plug would obviously cause some cuts. Okay, it's cause for optimism that they do those thing on their own. I would really like to know how big a percentage of their funding for GSL comes from Blizzard. | ||
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Elentos
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On August 18 2019 19:44 Xain0n wrote: Neeb is the reason Elazer is in the finals, but Elazer himself is even more. Aside from the obvious part of my post being a joke, there's multiple players from either region that would have probably eliminated Elazer in the first round. So yeah, Gyuri helped things out a bit. | ||
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On August 18 2019 20:09 sneakyfox wrote: Wait what happened to Elazers army?! Out of larva? no gas | ||
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Tsubbi
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UnLarva
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tigon_ridge
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On August 18 2019 20:21 Penev wrote: they should've made Serral play with the new skins Is it still a sweep for the classic skins in this tournament? (team games not included) | ||
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Penev
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On August 18 2019 20:23 sneakyfox wrote: Is it still a sweep for the classic skins in this tournament? (team games not included) not sure but it must be close | ||
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On August 18 2019 20:25 Ej_ wrote: Has nobody told Serral that double upgrades on 2 bases is shit in LotV? Maybe he's just trying to make his own 4-2 prediction come true. e: Serral even eating lots of biles, he definitely has money on the 4-2 | ||
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On August 18 2019 20:27 DieuCure wrote: Really the best mirror match up, very enjoyable to watch It really is, in fact! | ||
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SenorChang
Australia4730 Posts
also, Serral looks mad. | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
On August 18 2019 20:27 DieuCure wrote: Really the best mirror match up, very enjoyable to watch so you enjoy watching roach/ravager in every god damn game? that's a fetish I don't event want to understand | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On August 18 2019 20:31 Noonius wrote: so you enjoy watching roach/ravager in every god damn game? that's a fetish I don't event want to understand My personal bottom line for roach ravager wars are timings like this. | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
well in the last game Tastosis made a joke about Trump and nobody bat an eyelash | ||
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Australia4163 Posts
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
On August 18 2019 20:32 Schelim wrote: anyone remember when people were complaining in the ASUS Rog LR thread about Grant making a Brexit comment? well in the last game Tastosis made a joke about Trump and nobody bat an eyelash that's because Trump is a joke | ||
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Elentos
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Dark vs Elazer - no skins soO vs TIME - skins lost Maru vs Stats - skins lost Showtime vs Neeb - skins won Serral vs TY - no skins Trap vs Gabe - skins lost Special vs Reynor - skins lost Classic vs Fantasy - skins lost Elazer vs TIME - skins lost Stats vs Neeb - skins lost Serral vs Trap - skins won Special vs Classic - skins won Elazer vs Neeb - no skins Serral vs Classic - skins from both players | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On August 18 2019 20:32 Schelim wrote: anyone remember when people were complaining in the ASUS Rog LR thread about Grant making a Brexit comment? well in the last game Tastosis made a joke about Trump and nobody bat an eyelash Humans are biased. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7105 Posts
I dont see a difference to brexit in that case. ":D" | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On August 18 2019 20:34 Luolis wrote: I dont see a difference to brexit in that case. ":D" exactly, thank you | ||
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Pandain
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lolfail9001
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On August 18 2019 20:49 Pandain wrote: This year serral has either won every tournament or lost to the eventual champ pretty sick tasteless Literally a championship gatekeeper. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
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nojok
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On August 18 2019 20:50 rednusa wrote: Serral has definitely regained his #1 spot. A tournament with Maru, Stats, Classic, Dark -- what else can he do? Win the team match. | ||
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rotta
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On August 18 2019 20:50 rednusa wrote: Serral has definitely regained his #1 spot. A tournament with Maru, Stats, Classic, Dark -- what else can he do? But never, a GSL. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
Definitely needs to step up his coaching game. Dark was miles ahead of him on that one. | ||
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SenorChang
Australia4730 Posts
On August 18 2019 20:50 rednusa wrote: Serral has definitely regained his #1 spot. A tournament with Maru, Stats, Classic, Dark -- what else can he do? here's to hoping he decides to play a GSL tourney some time. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4948 Posts
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HeroSandro
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On August 18 2019 20:50 rednusa wrote: Serral has definitely regained his #1 spot. A tournament with Maru, Stats, Classic, Dark -- what else can he do? Win against Maru 😂 | ||
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tigon_ridge
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On August 18 2019 20:52 Argonauta wrote: Serral rekting top players with ease Edit: and elazer too Wow. Rude! | ||
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sneakyfox
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On August 18 2019 20:45 Waxangel wrote: This is some pretty solid obsing for some very hectic macro ZvZ's, I gotta say Shine is a literal God | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
great showing by elazer pretty good tournament, only wish maru vs stats would have been better | ||
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rednusa
651 Posts
On August 18 2019 20:52 SenorChang wrote: here's to hoping he decides to play a GSL tourney some time. I remember when Stephano kept turning down his code S invitations but then he finally took it when KeSPA players joined and Stephano was already on the decline. Think he went out in the ro32. But GSL was still the tournament to make the most money back in those days. Now you can make as good, if not better, money in the foreign scene. | ||
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tigon_ridge
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You guys heard it there. | ||
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Brazil3449 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25396 Posts
Someone in Twitch was complaining he hides the production tab, I feel ashamed I didn’t notice this, but I think he does it judiciously and it adds to the experience as a viewer | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On August 18 2019 20:55 Pandain wrote: pretty good finals. great showing by elazer pretty good tournament, only wish maru vs stats would have been better For a finals it was really good, most of them suck. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4948 Posts
On August 18 2019 20:55 GoloSC2 wrote: this is serral's second set of triple crown, no? triple crowns are meaningless if koreans are banned to compete in EU and NA tho | ||
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Elentos
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On August 18 2019 20:56 Argonauta wrote: triple crowns are meaningless if koreans are banned to compete in EU and NA tho The triple crown for a Korean in 2019 is literally GSL/WESG, IEM Katowice and Blizzcon. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4948 Posts
On August 18 2019 20:57 Elentos wrote: The triple crown for a Korean in 2019 is literally GSL/WESG, IEM Katowice and Blizzcon. ah my bad then, whats the name to win in korea EU and NA then? | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On August 18 2019 20:56 Wombat_NI wrote: Someone in Twitch was complaining he hides the production tab, I feel ashamed I didn’t notice this, but I think he does it judiciously and it adds to the experience as a viewer But he only hides it to show the units tab. I mean that's what you want to see when you have maxed out armies smashing together in late game. This is standard GSL policy. But yeah I don't think the WCS observers do that. | ||
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Elentos
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On August 18 2019 20:56 Morbidius wrote: Can Serral be called LoTV GOAT at this point? He's won less premiers than TaeJa did in HotS and TaeJa wasn't the HotS GOAT | ||
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stilt
France2749 Posts
On August 18 2019 20:57 Elentos wrote: The triple crown for a Korean in 2019 is literally GSL/WESG, IEM Katowice and Blizzcon. I am pretty sure hsc is a premier tournament now, even if it is by invitation, top korean players can acceed it. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On August 18 2019 20:57 Elentos wrote: The triple crown for a Korean in 2019 is literally GSL/WESG, IEM Katowice and Blizzcon. ASUS ROG? | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On August 18 2019 20:55 dysenterymd wrote: I think Elazer deserves #10 or #9 on the next power rank. Even if Elazer got lucky with his bracket it was a sick run. Don't think two very close wins against Dark and Neeb, and a 3-1 against TIME is enough for that. | ||
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MrShankly
United Kingdom371 Posts
but also, that GSL production. Wow they put on an amazing show. Good interviews/segments, studio and hype videos all looked really awesome.Super impressed! | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On August 18 2019 20:58 stilt wrote: I am pretty sure hsc is a premier tournament now, even if it is by invitation, top korean players can acceed it. Liquipedia goes back on HSC being a premier or not for every edition. | ||
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GoloSC2
710 Posts
On August 18 2019 20:58 stilt wrote: I am pretty sure hsc is a premier tournament now, even if it is by invitation, top korean players can acceed it. lp considers hsc a major, however gpl and assembly are listed as premiers. so inno merely has to win blizccon to complete one in this year alone edit: nvm im stupid | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25396 Posts
On August 18 2019 20:57 sneakyfox wrote: But he only hides it to show the units tab. I mean that's what you want to see when you have maxed out armies smashing together in late game. This is standard GSL policy. But yeah I don't think the WCS observers do that. He does it quite a lot in the early game, I think in ZvZ it’s neat because of the drone/unit dynamic so hiding that a bit makes it a bit more exciting | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On August 18 2019 20:58 Elentos wrote: He's won less premiers than TaeJa did in HotS and TaeJa wasn't the HotS GOAT You mean Serral won more premiers in LoTV than TaeJa did in HOTS now, it's 9 to 8. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25396 Posts
On August 18 2019 20:59 MrShankly wrote: Great finals, lots of great series this tournament. but also, that GSL production. Wow they put on an amazing show. Good interviews/segments, studio and hype videos all looked really awesome.Super impressed! They really kill it. The segments and all are good individually, but how they segue together with little actual downtime and things keep moving smoothly is great as well | ||
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On August 18 2019 21:04 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: I have to say that observers are better for WCS than GSL They all try to do their own thing. I personally much rather have Shine observe than for example Mapu doing random mid-battle camera spinning. | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
Elazer got another fan. Zergs of the World, follow The Overmind! Elazer proved that path will be successful, and covered with a creep. GG! | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On August 18 2019 21:07 Elentos wrote: They all try to do their own thing. I personally much rather have Shine observe than for example Mapu doing random mid-battle camera spinning. There were big fights happening which I saw on the minimap but observer didnt check them out. Plus do WCS observers have smoother moving, it felt like GSL observer moved around with a mouse at some points :D | ||
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repomaniak
Poland324 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25396 Posts
Elazer’s run was great and he played well in the final, hopefully will gain some more fans from within regular SC2 viewers for it. Only real disappointments on my end were Maru not really showing up and the sheer level of balance whine at times. The team match fills the schedule, but especially with the strong foreigner showing this time hopefully next time they make it into a Korea vs RotW. Just feels a series of good matchups with no real stakes or story to it as it is. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On August 18 2019 21:24 BaneRiders wrote: Anyone else than me that thought the team game was the best SC2 entertainment in quite some time? I had no expectations really, but I thought it was blast. The casters were obviously in the right mood too. Absolutely! Loved it, but also made me miss spl even more. | ||
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Archerylady
277 Posts
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UnLarva
458 Posts
As we all know, he may never (lol!) get closer to that dream spot than now (lol!). But no!!! Every reasonable SC2 fan understand that he cannot ever earn #1 spot in the world without playing in the GSL. | ||
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SetStndbySmn
United States657 Posts
On August 18 2019 21:31 UnLarva wrote: tl.net! Please, correct the historical unjustice and just place Serral as #1 in top of the next power rank, and everyone will be happy. At least one perma-reason less for whining. As we all know, he may never (lol!) get closer to that dream spot than now (lol!). But no!!! Every reasonable SC2 fan understand that he cannot ever earn #1 spot in the world without playing in the GSL. This is about the time of year when the power rankings peace out until Serral loses something. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4948 Posts
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Parrek
United States893 Posts
On August 18 2019 21:46 SetStndbySmn wrote: This is about the time of year when the power rankings peace out until Serral loses something. Not until after WCS Fall. Then they can peace out | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On August 18 2019 21:47 Argonauta wrote: btw, reynor didint win a map in this tournament. 0-4 out Just the same as soO, definitely disappointing. Reynor played only against T. | ||
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HeroSandro
530 Posts
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Gina
241 Posts
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SamirDuran
Philippines894 Posts
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On August 18 2019 21:27 Archerylady wrote: Best tournament all year for sure. The production, the casting and the games were all amazing. It was a shame though that some players failed to show up. IEM Katowice though, it's not an invitational where the finalist got here thanks to a random youtuber. | ||
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Kalera
United States338 Posts
On August 18 2019 21:24 BaneRiders wrote: Anyone else than me that thought the team game was the best SC2 entertainment in quite some time? I had no expectations really, but I thought it was blast. The casters were obviously in the right mood too. The team match was definitely the highlight of the tournament for me. The final itself was pretty underwhelming as I expected and felt more like an addendum. The mixed GSL/World teams are growing on me. It's nice to see the cross region rapport that develops as the match goes on. | ||
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JollYRoGeR
Sweden342 Posts
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
Vote here: https://nationwars.tv/votes | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
On August 19 2019 01:00 Shellshock wrote: team comp should have been all kill so serral could solo those scrubs That was my same thought. That and .... requiring GSL v World .... after the teams are made is ..... not good. Why should we be blocked from seeing Dark v Maru ... ect I had a great time viewing the event, Rotterdam is offically my favorite sc2 caster with Maynarde in close second. They have raised the bar for quality commentary to such a professional level. (not a knock on Artosis or Tasteless ... I appreciate the work you do and have done to grow our sport) | ||
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MyLovelyLurker
France756 Posts
We were epsilon away from a Neeb/Serral final, iconic given both their reputations as Korean slayers, probably with a similar Serral W outcome frankly. Had Neeb (a player I truly respect) not thrown G4 to such an extent that both Elazer and Serral were laughing, nobody would even be mentioning infestors; another PvZ final would have gone on with barely more noise than Stats/Serral at ROG. Also Elazer's a Blizzcon semifinalist and beats Dark on his best days so.... Gratz to players&casters for a terrific event, and mods here for keeping it sane. Haters or not, this tournament rocked. | ||
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MrShankly
United Kingdom371 Posts
On August 18 2019 21:03 Wombat_NI wrote: They really kill it. The segments and all are good individually, but how they segue together with little actual downtime and things keep moving smoothly is great as well Totally, blows my mind! There should be a GSLvsTheWorld appreciation thread haha | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
On August 19 2019 02:01 MrShankly wrote: Totally, blows my mind! There should be a GSLvsTheWorld appreciation thread haha I agree with the nested post and yours. The production was awesome, the pacing was excellent and I appreciate all the the hard work behind the scenes that doesn't make it to the screen. I hope the event impressed Mr. CEO and our community is supported in perpetuity. | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
Cannot find. (I'm either blind or there are no such) That was Zerg Grandmaster class performance (by European standards) from Elazer. They all co-evolve on these creeps. Elazer would deserve his own fan club thread. (if there is already, please correct me fondly, if not then hurry up an Euro-Zerg and make one!) | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25396 Posts
On August 19 2019 01:54 MyLovelyLurker wrote: More than by the meta I am shocked at the lack of mental agility in these posts. We were epsilon away from a Neeb/Serral final, iconic given both their reputations as Korean slayers, probably with a similar Serral W outcome frankly. Had Neeb (a player I truly respect) not thrown G4 to such an extent that both Elazer and Serral were laughing, nobody would even be mentioning infestors; another PvZ final would have gone on with barely more noise than Stats/Serral at ROG. Also Elazer's a Blizzcon semifinalist and beats Dark on his best days so.... Gratz to players&casters for a terrific event, and mods here for keeping it sane. Haters or not, this tournament rocked. Thank god for the mods and TL’s moderation standards. Other SC communities are unreadable garbage where the odd interesting discussion might break out. People were relentlessly complaining about Protoss and suddenly it just switched to whining about Infestors. Infestors which weren’t even a factor in a whole bunch of games anyway! It’s a shame for Neeb that he threw so hard, but that game was and awesome because of it. Weird games where people aren’t following their original plans and builds I feel are underrated as ‘good Starcraft’ because you get to see people think on their feet. I thought Elazer was a lock then Neeb did this weird attack I thought was a terrible idea that crippled Elazer, who subsequently came back with a dream engagement. Good stuff. | ||
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LTCM
174 Posts
On August 19 2019 01:54 MyLovelyLurker wrote: More than by the meta I am shocked at the lack of mental agility in these posts. We were epsilon away from a Neeb/Serral final, iconic given both their reputations as Korean slayers, probably with a similar Serral W outcome frankly. Had Neeb (a player I truly respect) not thrown G4 to such an extent that both Elazer and Serral were laughing, nobody would even be mentioning infestors; another PvZ final would have gone on with barely more noise than Stats/Serral at ROG. Also Elazer's a Blizzcon semifinalist and beats Dark on his best days so.... Gratz to players&casters for a terrific event, and mods here for keeping it sane. Haters or not, this tournament rocked. If this, if that. Lots of possibilities. In the end neeb didn't win and we got (another) zvz finals. What could have happened doesn't matter much at all compared to what DID happen. | ||
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JJH777
United States4408 Posts
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
On August 19 2019 02:18 LTCM wrote: If this, if that. Lots of possibilities. In the end neeb didn't win and we got (another) zvz finals. What could have happened doesn't matter much at all compared to what DID happen. Yeah, how dare people objectively assess and discuss a game. HOW DARE WE. Honestly, You could have written a post worth reading but what you DID write was garbage. Am I doing it right? | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On August 19 2019 02:38 JJH777 wrote: I loved the questionnaire segment specifically with Maru saying Serral wouldn't be as successful as T and that if he went to the circuit he would win everything until he retires. He tried to be modest at first but the lie detector caught him and he admitted the above. Specials answers were great too. Maru was saying that Rogue was better than Serral so maybe he's not that great at evaluating players. | ||
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JJH777
United States4408 Posts
On August 19 2019 02:47 Xain0n wrote: Maru was saying that Rogue was better than Serral so maybe he's not that great at evaluating players. His specific statement was that if he practiced with rogue he could beat Serral easily and he stated that around the time of blizzcon last year. We haven't seen anything to disprove that. Rogue was in much better form back then and Serrals ZvT has also improved a lot since then. I think he was mediocre at the matchup until the loss to innovation at WESG. After that there's a significant improvement. Maru is better at evaluating players than 99% of the people who play or watch StarCraft. | ||
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HeroSandro
530 Posts
On August 19 2019 02:54 JJH777 wrote: His specific statement was that if he practiced with rogue he could beat Serral easily and he stated that around the time of blizzcon last year. We haven't seen anything to disprove that. Rogue was in much better form back then and Serrals ZvT has also improved a lot since then. I think he was mediocre at the matchup until the loss to innovation at WESG. After that there's a significant improvement. Maru is better at evaluating players than 99% of the people who play or watch StarCraft. Nothing that Maru says about him vs. Serral is moot, because they will never face each other | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
Now we need only Maru, Rogue, Serral, and Stats to Ro4 of Blizzcon to prove our dream scenarios. ZvZ Finals will be still likely, if there are any 'bracket luck'. | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
On August 19 2019 02:58 HeroSandro wrote: Nothing that Maru says about him vs. Serral is moot, because they will never face each other Yep. Seriously! They try fix everything to make Maru vs Serral to happen (in all those RARE occasions it is possible), but the less-humble-one seems to fail in fulfilling his part of the deeds everytime. Some sponsor should just pay BO7 (in Korea, otherwise Marus's arse won't move): 15000 Euros to Winner and 5000 Euros to loser + Finnair's economy class ticket Helsinki-Seoul to Serral (or something like that) to make it happen. Its already the ultimate joke they cannot arrange that match, no matter what! | ||
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kaykoose
United States2302 Posts
On August 19 2019 02:58 HeroSandro wrote: Nothing that Maru says about him vs. Serral is moot, because they will never face each other Right. Because Maru always loses early | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4948 Posts
yeah fucking loser, never wins anything | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
No, no, no! There are no SC2 fan who disrespects Maru. Its only the plain fact he has been unable to make it enough deep to actually meet Serral in any relevant tournament. How to make it happen is the point of discussion. We ALL would want to see that match, do we not? | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
On August 19 2019 03:35 UnLarva wrote: No, no, no! There are no SC2 fan who disrespects Maru. Its only the plain fact he has been unable to make it enough deep to actually meet Serral in any relevant tournament. How to make it happen is the point of discussion. We ALL would want to see that match, do we not? It happened. WESG 2018. | ||
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HeroSandro
530 Posts
That was before Serral evolved into the Serral we have now. They are still to face at peak power. | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
Yeah. That was before Serral was finished his high school and going to the full time pro. As you very well know there are a lot of things happened ever since. I really would want to see Maru vs Serral match. Whatever the result would then be, we all would have that result then. At least. There are no innate disrespect to Maru from my part, so do not read my comments as such. (beyond 'normal' antagonistic stances of fanboyism of different players of different races, that said). | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
On August 19 2019 03:51 HeroSandro wrote: That was before Serral evolved into the Serral we have now. They are still to face at peak power. Uhh he was already dominating WCS at that time. But I guess whenever Serral loses it's because he wasn't "playing at his peak" | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
He should just apply to Finnish Army Sports Corps and move to South Korea to serve as 'military attache' of E-Sports division. Considering Finnish-Korean relations, Finnish model of general conscription, and his status as proven E-sport figure that's not that far fetched people may think. We need only few proactive Generals in The Finnish Defence Forces' HQ to think anew and realize that someone must operate all those drones in a future, and that cyberwar stuff... Personally I hope The God-King will get his university degree in some humanistic sciences. Where, its irrelevant. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25396 Posts
On August 19 2019 04:02 Charoisaur wrote: Uhh he was already dominating WCS at that time. But I guess whenever Serral loses it's because he wasn't "playing at his peak" But isn’t WCS trash and worth a 17th of a GSL so hardly relevant? Joking aside, Serral did make a step up in class between dominating the foreign scene and being able to consistently beat the best of Koreans. I find ‘my player only lost because they weren’t at their peak form for x reason’ excuses as annoying as the next guy, but Serral has subsequently entered another phase of his career since then. I think most fans want to see Maru and Serral go toe to toe when they’re both in shape in a Bo7, I think it’s a bit of a stretch to make out that early 2018 Serral as a scalp has the significance it would do today. | ||
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Kalera
United States338 Posts
On August 19 2019 03:51 UnLarva wrote: Yeah. That was before Serral was finished his high school and going to the full time pro. As you very well know there are a lot of things happened ever since. I really would want to see Maru vs Serral match. Whatever the result would then be, we all would have that result then. At least. There are no innate disrespect to Maru from my part, so do not read my comments as such. (beyond 'normal' antagonistic stances of fanboyism of different players of different races, that said). FYI Serral graduated high school and went full time in June 2017. The thing about Maru is the he is hot and cold. At his peak, he looks incredible, but then he also gets dropped unceremoniously. | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
On August 19 2019 04:34 Kalera wrote: FYI Serral graduated high school and went full time in June 2017. The thing about Maru is the he is hot and cold. At his peak, he looks incredible, but then he also gets dropped unceremoniously. Oh. My mistake. Maru! Please! Please! Come to Papa Zerg! Seek and (try) destroy! In current overall situation in the evolution of the game, that would do only good. For everyone. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On August 19 2019 03:51 HeroSandro wrote: That was before Serral evolved into the Serral we have now. They are still to face at peak power. Serral was already on his WCS winstreak and was 18-0 at WeSG before he met Maru. He literally went 2-0 Showtime, 3-0 Lambo, 3-0 Elazer, 3-0 Bly, 3-0 Neeb, and 3-1 Classic at the same event. There's literally nothing to suggest he was any worse than at GSL vs the world a few months later. | ||
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tigon_ridge
482 Posts
On August 19 2019 04:34 Kalera wrote: FYI Serral graduated high school and went full time in June 2017. The thing about Maru is the he is hot and cold. At his peak, he looks incredible, but then he also gets dropped unceremoniously. 2017. Wasn't that also the same year Serral achieved #1 ranking in Korea's ladder MMR? He was already the best in the world in terms of MMR rating before anybody even knew about him, and he just started playing full-time a few months prior? That was pretty much how quickly Flash transitioned to SC2 dominance, although he never quite achieved the best-in-Korea status. | ||
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JJH777
United States4408 Posts
On August 19 2019 04:51 tigon_ridge wrote: 2017. Wasn't that also the same year Serral achieved #1 ranking in Korea's ladder MMR? He was already the best in the world in terms of MMR rating before anybody even knew about him, and he just started playing full-time a few months prior? That was pretty much how quickly Flash transitioned to SC2 dominance, although he never quite achieved the best-in-Korea status. Being in high school is very overrated in terms of how much it effects being good at StarCraft. Just look at Reynor. Or how young Maru was when he won his first event. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On August 19 2019 05:01 JJH777 wrote: Being in high school is very overrated in terms of how much it effects being good at StarCraft. Just look at Reynor. Or how young Maru was when he won his first event. To be fair I doubt the guys who were winning tournaments at like 15 (Flash, Life, Maru) were doing particuarly well in school at the time. To actually graduate high school while being an elite player is impressive | ||
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HeroSandro
530 Posts
On August 19 2019 04:02 Charoisaur wrote: Uhh he was already dominating WCS at that time. But I guess whenever Serral loses it's because he wasn't "playing at his peak" You have a funny way of interpreting the worst out of other people posts and at the same time holding your self as a paragon of fairness. I do not think that Serral was at his peak at that point and he had not won a tournament with koreans. The storyline was not there yet. I'm not trying to say that Marus´s victory was not deserved. All I'm saying is that i do not think that Maru and Serral were both at the peak of their game at that tournament. | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
Traditionally: If you're Finnish top level hockey player, you can do your military service in NHL (if you're there already) with some restrictions. If you're Serral, you should be able to do your military service in GSL, South Korea with some restrictions. 'Should' is the word here. Its up to The High Command, make it happen. It would be symmetric with Korean Brothers in Arms going to army, following established traditions, constitutions, and customs of each country. In Finland, The Army can give "an order to compete" (and to do best you can) in a foreign league (with permission and courtesy of the country and the league) as/for service of the home country. Finnish generals needs to realize that. The president of The Republic can just pick 'a red phone' and arrange whole thing with The President of The Republic. Serral can of course make a choice for the civilian service by the constitution of Finland, but the end result would likely be pretty much same: Foreign service in the service of diplomatic corps. Thats the way of Finland. | ||
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JJH777
United States4408 Posts
On August 19 2019 05:07 Fango wrote: To be fair I doubt the guys who were winning tournaments at like 15 (Flash, Life, Maru) were doing particuarly well in school at the time. To actually graduate high school while being an elite player is impressive I don't know if school in Korea is harder than the US but I feel like anyone smart enough to win a top level StarCraft tournament at 15 could graduate high school in the US without ever spending any time outside of school hours on school work. | ||
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HeroSandro
530 Posts
On August 19 2019 05:17 JJH777 wrote: I don't know if school in Korea is harder than the US but I feel like anyone smart enough to win a top level StarCraft tournament at 15 could graduate high school in the US without ever spending any time outside of school hours on school work. School still takes time and energy, that is not put into training. | ||
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tigon_ridge
482 Posts
On August 19 2019 05:01 JJH777 wrote: Being in high school is very overrated in terms of how much it effects being good at StarCraft. Just look at Reynor. Or how young Maru was when he won his first event. That would depend on how much time you allocate to your academic work. If you've already gone pro while in school, then you obviously likely are not devoting much time to schoolwork. That's not likely the case with Serral, since he's stated that he really wanted to follow in the footsteps of his brother, who was on track to college to study mathematics, which would require a lot of work to prepare for as a secondary school student. | ||
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necrosexy
451 Posts
On August 19 2019 03:51 HeroSandro wrote: That was before Serral evolved into the Serral we have now. They are still to face at peak power. he didn't lose a map before Maru. please | ||
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tigon_ridge
482 Posts
On August 19 2019 05:17 JJH777 wrote: I don't know if school in Korea is harder than the US but I feel like anyone smart enough to win a top level StarCraft tournament at 15 could graduate high school in the US without ever spending any time outside of school hours on school work. If it's anything like schooling in Japan, then it's not the graduation that is the hard part, but the university entrance examination preparation that consumes the vast majority of students' time. It's similar in the U.S., except the SAT isn't the sole factor, as we have AP (advanced placement) courses that weigh in heavily toward whether students get accepted into their universities of choice. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4727 Posts
How about this: They met in March 2018 and Maru won fair and square. Now it would be really cool to have a rematch, approximately 1 1/2 years later to see how they fare against each other now. I think that is some narrative everyone can get behind. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
On August 19 2019 05:36 tigon_ridge wrote: If it's anything like schooling in Japan, then it's not the graduation that is the hard part, but the university entrance examination preparation that consumes the vast majority of students' time. It's similar in the U.S., except the SAT isn't the sole factor, as we have AP (advanced placement) courses that weigh in heavily toward whether students get accepted into their universities of choice. Finland's education system is one of the most difficult and successful in the world. Last time I checked, they achieve southeast asian results with far less rigorous schedules. A lot of modern teaching approaches are based upon their system. A diploma in Finland wouldn't be easy for most of my countries people. | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
Maybe 5% of it but how you count in the weight of his brother and parents? That he was actively competed against since childhood, supported by parents. How you spread that god-damned creep? The question was not originally asked by Serral himself, but the answer to that question is visible for all. Thats the IMBA behind The God-King. He got loving parents. He mutated and took his shape in Finland, were becoming a Zerg Overlord and The Didact is still possible, albeit hard (by default). That his mutations were such he had an endurance to struggle against his overwhelming Protoss brother to the ultimate assimilation - that's only because he realized that he must kick out every Terran, Protoss, and other Zerg broods from this sector. As ruthlessly as possible. Nobody can blame him for his deeds. When following his destined path he saved, or at least prolonged the future history of the ultimate art of the all E-Sports. | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On August 19 2019 05:17 JJH777 wrote: I don't know if school in Korea is harder than the US but I feel like anyone smart enough to win a top level StarCraft tournament at 15 could graduate high school in the US without ever spending any time outside of school hours on school work. there is ppl who spend exactly 0 time learning stuff for school and easily graduate with good grades, no matter the school system. ppl like Flash/Life/Maru are geniuses in starcraft, i'm fairly confident they are intelligent enough to do well in school without doing jack shit for it. | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
The Hardest school you can imagine. Mama and Papa Sotala hugged the Little Brother. "It's ok to lose in the game. You will learn by playing it. Don't give up, Joona. We will love you regardless." 2000+ attempts later. Papa Sotala: *hint*... Protosser: *hint* Mama: *hugs* 2000+ attempts later... Few more attempts later... No rocket science required. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
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UnLarva
458 Posts
On August 19 2019 08:16 Nakajin wrote: What's happening and why are we telling fanfic about Serral parents? Do not know about that fanfic of parents part (as its true by all available sources and common sense), but the fanfic of recruitment of Post-Army Koreans to ENCE, Finland. That entangle my (limited) imagination. I'm sure there are relatively cheap team house facilities easily arrangeable (is that even a word?) in a woods. With decent internet connection, of course. People just tend to think too small in Finland. You can't just guide all that money from tl.net, particularly if you're a random zerg fanboy from Finland. Sad but true. | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
https://www.presidentti.fi/en/speeches/speech-by-president-of-the-republic-of-finland-mr-sauli-niinisto-at-the-dinner-in-honour-of-president-of-the-republic-of-korea-mr-moon-jae-in-and-mrs-kim-jung-sook-on-10-june-2019/ https://www.presidentti.fi/en/speeches/speech-by-president-of-the-republic-of-finland-mr-sauli-niinisto-at-the-at-the-finnish-korean-business-forum-11-june-2019/ With all respect, that goes to politics, but! God Perkele fuck sake, that's something the world needs now. Serral and his Korean Elite fellas must be freed from all regional locks... There is very little prospects in SC2 if going out of merit, and decorating misdeeds with ribbons of fault. That isn't the case with either of the Republics, regardless of the race, tactics, strategy, or individual Soldiers. It is not "IMBA"! | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
That again? Serral was still losing series and not winning international tournaments in that part of his career, he had just won his first WCS event one month and half before and was transitioning from WCS prospect and ladder king to absolute top player; Maru, instead, was about to peak considering he would beat Dark(twice) and Stats to win WESG and his first Code S(the only two consecutive Premier titles he won, and the lone weekender he managed to win in his career). When Maru and Serral played that bo5, it wasn't even the same patch in which Serral ascended to godlike form, winning every offline tournament he entered, most notably seven Premier events in seven months; Serral peaked at BlizzCon, and he became the korean killing machine we know between May(he lost his last match to soO in April at Nation Wars finals) and August when he triumphed at GSL vs the World. So, no, Serral definitely wasn't playing as his level yet when that match occurred, the only time he faced Maru after that was the bo1 he won. | ||
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necrosexy
451 Posts
On August 19 2019 11:33 Xain0n wrote: That again? Serral was still losing series and not winning international tournaments in that part of his career, he had just won his first WCS event one month and half before and was transitioning from WCS prospect and ladder king to absolute top player; Maru, instead, was about to peak considering he would beat Dark(twice) and Stats to win WESG and his first Code S(the only two consecutive Premier titles he won, and the lone weekender he managed to win in his career). When Maru and Serral played that bo5, it wasn't even the same patch in which Serral ascended to godlike form, winning every offline tournament he entered, most notably seven Premier events in seven months; Serral peaked at BlizzCon, and he became the korean killing machine we know between May(he lost his last match to soO in April at Nation Wars finals) and August when he triumphed at GSL vs the World. So, no, Serral definitely wasn't playing as his level yet when that match occurred, the only time he faced Maru after that was the bo1 he won. Serral is a patch zerg god now? lol | ||
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Johny1
Poland39 Posts
Delicious. Bonjwa | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
On August 19 2019 11:33 Xain0n wrote: That again? Serral was still losing series and not winning international tournaments in that part of his career, he had just won his first WCS event one month and half before and was transitioning from WCS prospect and ladder king to absolute top player; Maru, instead, was about to peak considering he would beat Dark(twice) and Stats to win WESG and his first Code S(the only two consecutive Premier titles he won, and the lone weekender he managed to win in his career). When Maru and Serral played that bo5, it wasn't even the same patch in which Serral ascended to godlike form, winning every offline tournament he entered, most notably seven Premier events in seven months; Serral peaked at BlizzCon, and he became the korean killing machine we know between May(he lost his last match to soO in April at Nation Wars finals) and August when he triumphed at GSL vs the World. So, no, Serral definitely wasn't playing as his level yet when that match occurred, the only time he faced Maru after that was the bo1 he won. He won WCS, made ro4 at Katowice and ro4 at WESG. This year around the same time he had made ro8 at Katowice, WESG finals and won WCS. If they had met this year would you have also said he wasn't at his peak because he wasn't "winning every tournament he entered"? Edit: you could argue this year he was in worse form because he actually lost WCS events. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On August 19 2019 16:50 Charoisaur wrote: He won WCS, made ro4 at Katowice and ro4 at WESG. This year around the same time he had made ro8 at Katowice, WESG finals and won WCS. If they had met this year would you have also said he wasn't at his peak because he wasn't "winning every tournament he entered"? Edit: you could argue this year he was in worse form because he actually lost WCS events. We discussed about it so many times already. How can you think Serral had already peaked in early 2018? He hadn't yet reached the level of consistency he showcased in the second half of the year and had not won a single tournament with koreans; Serral clearly had worse ZvT than Dark, worse ZvP than Rogue and worse ZvZ than soO. After Nation Wars, Serral enjoyed ten months of victories only; saying that "Serral is only at his peak when he's not losing" is a little misleading when his period of invincibility lasted more than many players' career high and it is by far the longest in the history of Sc2. During those months he was the best in every matchup with the notable exception of his ZvT not being extensively tested so that you supposed Dark was still better(he had no competition for ZvP and beat soO at HSC), but at the end of the day he still went 6-0(16-7) against top koreans. In early 2019, Serral wasn't playing as well as he did when he was at his best but most importantly he wasn't as clutch since he started losing most ace matches while, before, he was winning every single one; however, past group stages, Serral only lost to the eventual winner of the events and every series went to the full distance(except for the 2-4 against Reynor in WCS Summer) while he was stomped 0-3 by Maru and Classic in 2018. Also no other Zerg clearly seemed better than him in any matchup this year despite Serral not being the best in every one of them anymore(soO then Reynor in ZvZ, Dark in ZvP, maybe Solar in ZvT being his contenders). | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
"Not as his peak" please. He went 3-0 Neeb, 3-0 Lambo, 3-0 Showtime, 3-0 Elazer, and 3-1 Classic in the same event. Just because Serral lost (to Maru of all people) doesn't mean he wasn't already in his stride. Just because he didn't win every tournament he entered at the time lmao. He's never done that and doesn't even do that now. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25396 Posts
It’s still an impressive result for Maru, I wouldn’t have it on par with Inno doing it at the same tournament a year later though | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On August 19 2019 23:54 Fango wrote: Serral would have easily a won WeSG had he not lost to Maru in the ro4. "Not as his peak" please. He went 3-0 Neeb, 3-0 Lambo, 3-0 Showtime, 3-0 Elazer, and 3-1 Classic in the same event. Just because Serral lost (to Maru of all people) doesn't mean he wasn't already in his stride. Just because he didn't win every tournament he entered at the time lmao. He's never done that and doesn't even do that now. That's negationism at best, Serral won every offline tournament he entered(and every online tournament but one) starting after April in 2018 and ending after February, 2019. He wasn't the best zerg in the world at the time he lost against Maru and he hadn't demonstrated he could win international tournaments with koreans at the time, he was just starting to rise(he lost to Scarlett at Pyeonchang just one month before that and he won his FIRST premier tournament right before). Serral peaked later, roughly in the following patch(and no, he's not a patchzerg since no tier 4 Zerg suddenly started winning championships, do you remember JohnnyREcco? On the contrary, Serral was the only Zerg winning during that period, with only Reynor reaching a Premier final), and it was crystal clear he stepped up. The results you listed just testify he already was at the top of WCS when WESG 2017 occurred, and beating Classic was very impressive but he already showed at IEM Katowice some weeks before he could win bo5 against top koreans. | ||
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ronin_1138
3 Posts
We do not have enough data to know who is the best between the two. And it will remain this way for a while. You guys can argue as much as you want but it's all for nothing. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On August 20 2019 06:21 ronin_1138 wrote: An encounter or 2 doesn't mean anything. They didn't meet enough to asset anything. We do not have enough data to know who is the best between the two. And it will remain this way for a while. You guys can argue as much as you want but it's all for nothing. 1v1 doesn’t determine who’s better. What we do know is that Maru has the far more impressive titles | ||
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ronin_1138
3 Posts
On August 20 2019 06:52 BerserkSword wrote: 1v1 doesn’t determine who’s better. What we do know is that Maru has the far more impressive titles Well if you have 10-20 games played yes you it can be a good sign to who is better. Titles don't matter if they are not in same tournament. All that I know is that every tournaments that both of them entered in Serral always came up with a better finish. | ||
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droppanda
Australia176 Posts
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On August 20 2019 08:21 ronin_1138 wrote: Well if you have 10-20 games played yes you it can be a good sign to who is better. Titles don't matter if they are not in same tournament. All that I know is that every tournaments that both of them entered in Serral always came up with a better finish. Titles definitely matter, especially when Maru has titles in the most prestigious tournament in the scene while serral has never even participated in them. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On August 21 2019 00:13 droppanda wrote: I think consistency is the most important factor, Serral far more consistent results. Serral has consistent results in inferior tournaments. maru has a dominating streak in the most impressive tourbament | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On August 22 2019 10:29 BerserkSword wrote: Serral has consistent results in inferior tournaments. maru has a dominating streak in the most impressive tourbament Inferior? Don't make me laugh, Serral has consistent results in international tournaments(World Championships included), not only in WCS(that by itself is less prestigious than Code S, but not really that much easier anymore). | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On August 22 2019 10:47 Xain0n wrote: Inferior? Don't make me laugh, Serral has consistent results in international tournaments(World Championships included), not only in WCS(that by itself is less prestigious than Code S, but not really that much easier anymore). Look man I think Maru is basically a patch Terran (with regards to his results) who achieved what he did thanks to ravens and proxies. Doesn’t take away from how absurdly decorated his career is. WCS is nowhere near as difficult as GSL tournaments. There is a huge gap in the overall level of play. International tournaments aren’t as difficult either since there are fewer elite Koreans and there isn’t as much specific preparation. Code S is by far the pinnacle of Starcraft in terms of skill thanks to the preparation factor and it’s not even close. I’m not saying serral wouldn’t find success in code S. In fact I think he would if he can avoid guys like stats and innovation. Guys like classic,Maru, ty, trap, dark, solar, etc are capable of taking a series off of serral too. But as of now serral hasn’t done it. He hasn’t run the gauntlet My eye test says serral is better than Maru but serrals career is nowhere near as impressive. | ||
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Conut
Canada1026 Posts
On August 22 2019 12:46 BerserkSword wrote: Look man I think Maru is basically a patch Terran (with regards to his results) who achieved what he did thanks to ravens and proxies. Doesn’t take away from how absurdly decorated his career is. WCS is nowhere near as difficult as GSL tournaments. There is a huge gap in the overall level of play. International tournaments aren’t as difficult either since there are fewer elite Koreans and there isn’t as much specific preparation. Code S is by far the pinnacle of Starcraft in terms of skill thanks to the preparation factor and it’s not even close. I’m not saying serral wouldn’t find success in code S. In fact I think he would if he can avoid guys like stats and innovation. Guys like classic,Maru, ty, trap, dark, solar, etc are capable of taking a series off of serral too. But as of now serral hasn’t done it. He hasn’t run the gauntlet My eye test says serral is better than Maru but serrals career is nowhere near as impressive. Depends who you ask I think serral is much more impressive then maru carrier wise | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On August 22 2019 13:56 Conut wrote: Depends who you ask I think serral is much more impressive then maru carrier wise The only way serrals career comes close to Marus is if you judge based on prize money. | ||
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ParksonVN
Australia370 Posts
On August 22 2019 13:56 Conut wrote: Depends who you ask I think serral is much more impressive then maru carrier wise Serral's carreer is more impressive than the guy who #2nd in the GOAT race? Then he would be #1 and not Innovation then? | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
On August 22 2019 10:47 Xain0n wrote: Inferior? Don't make me laugh, Serral has consistent results in international tournaments(World Championships included), not only in WCS(that by itself is less prestigious than Code S, but not really that much easier anymore). His record in international tournaments since the start of 2018: Won 4 times, reached the finals in 1, the ro4 3 times and ro8 1 time. That's certainly impressive but in no way an "unprecedended godlike performance" like you want it to be so badly. Maru, Inno, Life, Rogue and Zest had similar streaks during their peak. | ||
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Poopi
France12886 Posts
On August 22 2019 12:46 BerserkSword wrote: Look man I think Maru is basically a patch Terran (with regards to his results) who achieved what he did thanks to ravens and proxies. Maru a patch terran, wtf do I read in early morning :o. If anything he is the opposite of patch terran, winning on shit terran patches. Plus, he has the best mechanics / micro currently in LotV. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25396 Posts
On August 22 2019 12:46 BerserkSword wrote: Look man I think Maru is basically a patch Terran (with regards to his results) who achieved what he did thanks to ravens and proxies. Doesn’t take away from how absurdly decorated his career is. WCS is nowhere near as difficult as GSL tournaments. There is a huge gap in the overall level of play. International tournaments aren’t as difficult either since there are fewer elite Koreans and there isn’t as much specific preparation. Code S is by far the pinnacle of Starcraft in terms of skill thanks to the preparation factor and it’s not even close. I’m not saying serral wouldn’t find success in code S. In fact I think he would if he can avoid guys like stats and innovation. Guys like classic,Maru, ty, trap, dark, solar, etc are capable of taking a series off of serral too. But as of now serral hasn’t done it. He hasn’t run the gauntlet My eye test says serral is better than Maru but serrals career is nowhere near as impressive. I don’t see how international tournaments aren’t equally as difficult, you have to play on the hoof, and outside of your first match or your group you’re second guessing the brackets as to who awaits, you can have to play all your matchups in a weekend rather than prep for one over an extended period of time. I love preparation games for the sheer strategy and execution you see, I don’t think they’re necessarily benchmark when assessing individual players because preparation is a team effort, be it a formal team or with your pool of practice partners. I have a bit of a hunch that weekender Maru is Maru without other people giving him his gameplans, $o$ especially. We don’t really know much about the work that goes on behind these victories in any detail, but my sketchy speculation is somewhat backed by sOs dismantling Maru at Blizzcon at a weekender when they were in direct competition. Not to besmirch Maru at all, he’s only ‘merely’ the most mechanically strong player the game has yet seen, maybe excepting peak Inno. Code S and big international tournaments are roughly equivalent in terms of the run you have to do to win. Yes not every top Korean is present, but you don’t play every player in the field at either tournament. TY, Trap and Classic would be a pretty tough playoffs run at any GSL and I’d wager some champions have had easier than Serral’s GSLvstW | ||
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Poopi
France12886 Posts
On August 22 2019 16:48 Wombat_NI wrote: I don’t see how international tournaments aren’t equally as difficult, you have to play on the hoof, and outside of your first match or your group you’re second guessing the brackets as to who awaits, you can have to play all your matchups in a weekend rather than prep for one over an extended period of time. I love preparation games for the sheer strategy and execution you see, I don’t think they’re necessarily benchmark when assessing individual players because preparation is a team effort, be it a formal team or with your pool of practice partners. I have a bit of a hunch that weekender Maru is Maru without other people giving him his gameplans, $o$ especially. We don’t really know much about the work that goes on behind these victories in any detail, but my sketchy speculation is somewhat backed by sOs dismantling Maru at Blizzcon at a weekender when they were in direct competition. Not to besmirch Maru at all, he’s only ‘merely’ the most mechanically strong player the game has yet seen, maybe excepting peak Inno. Code S and big international tournaments are roughly equivalent in terms of the run you have to do to win. Yes not every top Korean is present, but you don’t play every player in the field at either tournament. TY, Trap and Classic would be a pretty tough playoffs run at any GSL and I’d wager some champions have had easier than Serral’s GSLvstW I don’t think the sOs example is a very good one to support your claim, mainly because Terran was bad on that patch in TvP and proxies were a gimmick. There was no real plan other than proxy and hope for the best but sOs knew about all of them since he helped Maru come with all the variations. On the other hand, we don’t know how much builds / plans were Maru’s during the first two seasons of code S where it wasn’t proxy patch yet, or during GSL season 4. Preparation doesn’t help only Maru but all terrans btw. Since he is the best Terran, he’ll have the most discrepancy between weekender and preparation (especially considering the quality teammates he got that helps him get the best of preparation) | ||
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Z3nith
485 Posts
On August 22 2019 17:18 Poopi wrote: I don’t think the sOs example is a very good one to support your claim, mainly because Terran was bad on that patch in TvP and proxies were a gimmick. There was no real plan other than proxy and hope for the best but sOs knew about all of them since he helped Maru come with all the variations. On the other hand, we don’t know how much builds / plans were Maru’s during the first two seasons of code S where it wasn’t proxy patch yet, or during GSL season 4. Preparation doesn’t help only Maru but all terrans btw. Since he is the best Terran, he’ll have the most discrepancy between weekender and preparation (especially considering the quality teammates he got that helps him get the best of preparation) A noticeable thing about Maru's style of play at a lot of weekenders is how repetitive and gimmicky it is a lot of the time. He will do one thing that works and just abuse the hell out of it, kind of like herO in a way. I'm inclined to believe that a lot of his prepared builds are developed at least in tandem with the other Jin Air players. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On August 22 2019 13:56 Conut wrote: Depends who you ask I think serral is much more impressive then maru carrier wise Do people actually think this? Arguments for Serral being better than Maru right now, or being bonjwa etc at least have some sort of valid claim behind them. How can anyone look at Serral's career history and put him above Mvp, Zest, sOs, Rogue, INno, Life, soO, Taeja, Dark, Stats, Maru etc. They have all had similar or better streaks, across much longer time periods. And won many more (and more difficult) tournaments than Serral. With the exception of soO I guess if you wanna get technical I'm just gonna assume you aren't familiar with years before 2018 | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25396 Posts
On August 23 2019 01:48 Fango wrote: Do people actually think this? Arguments for Serral being better than Maru right now, or being bonjwa etc at least have some sort of valid claim behind them. How can anyone look at Serral's career history and put him above Mvp, Zest, sOs, Rogue, INno, Life, soO, Taeja, Dark, Stats, Maru etc. They have all had similar or better streaks, across much longer time periods. And won many more (and more difficult) tournaments than Serral. With the exception of soO I guess if you wanna get technical I'm just gonna assume you aren't familiar with years before 2018 They’re not foreigners who broke through a certain barrier and have a crazy streak, top win% vs Korean opposition etc. I don’t think Serral is necessarily above a bunch of players in that list really, but he’s definitely in the conversation | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On August 22 2019 16:17 Poopi wrote: Maru a patch terran, wtf do I read in early morning :o. If anything he is the opposite of patch terran, winning on shit terran patches. Plus, he has the best mechanics / micro currently in LotV. Maru doesn’t have the best mechanics lol That’s why he fears TvT so much. Serral has better mechanics than Maru | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
On August 23 2019 05:51 BerserkSword wrote: Maru doesn’t have the best mechanics lol That’s why he fears TvT so much. Serral has better mechanics than Maru That doesn't make sense, TvT is the terran matchup in which mechanics are least important. Maru has better mechanics than Serral. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25396 Posts
On August 23 2019 05:51 BerserkSword wrote: Maru doesn’t have the best mechanics lol That’s why he fears TvT so much. Serral has better mechanics than Maru I really don’t think that is the case at all. Serral is still a monster mechanically but his real strength is making the correct decision, almost all of the time and being strategically if not ahead of the curve at least on it, Maru purely mechanically is better than everyone, he just doesn’t make the right reads and reactions in the same way Serral does, at least in weekender. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On August 23 2019 05:59 Charoisaur wrote: That doesn't make sense, TvT is the terran matchup in which mechanics are least important. Maru has better mechanics than Serral. I don't know who's the best in that regard, they are both mechanical monsters. Maru may have better micro, but I'm not convinced he's stronger overall. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25396 Posts
On August 23 2019 06:04 Xain0n wrote: I don't know who's the best in that regard, they are both mechanical monsters. Maru may have better micro, but I'm not convinced he's stronger overall. He can’t not, at the elite level anyway. You can’t micro like Terrans can (potentially) do with the other two races. Terran just has more flashy micro they can do anyway, even stellar Protoss micro gets the ‘Protossed’ treatment, Serral just beats everyone, more or less and S class Koreans refer to him as either outright the best player in the world or at least the best Zerg in the world. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On August 22 2019 16:48 Wombat_NI wrote: I don’t see how international tournaments aren’t equally as difficult, you have to play on the hoof, and outside of your first match or your group you’re second guessing the brackets as to who awaits, you can have to play all your matchups in a weekend rather than prep for one over an extended period of time. I love preparation games for the sheer strategy and execution you see, I don’t think they’re necessarily benchmark when assessing individual players because preparation is a team effort, be it a formal team or with your pool of practice partners. I have a bit of a hunch that weekender Maru is Maru without other people giving him his gameplans, $o$ especially. We don’t really know much about the work that goes on behind these victories in any detail, but my sketchy speculation is somewhat backed by sOs dismantling Maru at Blizzcon at a weekender when they were in direct competition. Not to besmirch Maru at all, he’s only ‘merely’ the most mechanically strong player the game has yet seen, maybe excepting peak Inno. Code S and big international tournaments are roughly equivalent in terms of the run you have to do to win. Yes not every top Korean is present, but you don’t play every player in the field at either tournament. TY, Trap and Classic would be a pretty tough playoffs run at any GSL and I’d wager some champions have had easier than Serral’s GSLvstW International tournaments don’t have as many Koreans as GSL tournaments. The competition is much much better in Korean tournaments. Preparation tournaments add another massive dynamic to the strategy game. Preparation tournaments are the pinnacle because this is a strategy game. Players play off the hoof on ladder too. While brainstorming does occur among players, it is still up to the individual player to assess situations and execute. While sOs wasn’t the favorite, I wouldn’t chalk it up to sOs merely knowing Marus bag of tricks. sOs is one of the greatest players of all time and one of his nicknames is the trickster, and Maru went in using his one trick. Supports the argument that Maru was carried by proxies and ravens. I don’t think Maru has the best mechanics of all time either. I think serral had the best mechanics last year. Stats and rogue better mechanics than maru too. Serrals gsl vs the world run was stacked but gsl v w is like an all star game with no group rounds and players voted in. It’s not a typical weekender | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On August 23 2019 05:59 Charoisaur wrote: That doesn't make sense, TvT is the terran matchup in which mechanics are least important. Maru has better mechanics than Serral. TvT is the most mechanically demanding Terran matchhup | ||
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Poopi
France12886 Posts
On August 23 2019 06:01 Wombat_NI wrote: I really don’t think that is the case at all. Serral is still a monster mechanically but his real strength is making the correct decision, almost all of the time and being strategically if not ahead of the curve at least on it, Maru purely mechanically is better than everyone, he just doesn’t make the right reads and reactions in the same way Serral does, at least in weekender. You can’t compare decision making across races. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25396 Posts
On August 22 2019 17:18 Poopi wrote: I don’t think the sOs example is a very good one to support your claim, mainly because Terran was bad on that patch in TvP and proxies were a gimmick. There was no real plan other than proxy and hope for the best but sOs knew about all of them since he helped Maru come with all the variations. On the other hand, we don’t know how much builds / plans were Maru’s during the first two seasons of code S where it wasn’t proxy patch yet, or during GSL season 4. Preparation doesn’t help only Maru but all terrans btw. Since he is the best Terran, he’ll have the most discrepancy between weekender and preparation (especially considering the quality teammates he got that helps him get the best of preparation) Even if you have limited meta options trying to do that vs someone familiar with your style is basically the worst plan possible, which was kind of my point. You see monster Maru in Proleague and GSL or other StarLeagues with prep, you don’t see it in weekenders where he has to do it himself, historically anyway. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25396 Posts
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
Serral is a mechanical juggernaut. Mechanics are his greatest strength. He wins based on constant macro and efficient engages. This is why he never gets swept like maru does. His peerless mechanics make sure it never happens. At the same time you can see how decision making /dynamic play are not his greatest strengths when someone manages to topple him. When the games got crazy vs soo at iem he fell (Zerg players like solar said soo has a weird style that they hate playing). Reynor who can play pretty chaotically has beaten serral. Serral was not prepared for a carrier runby from stats - he was playing robotically with his swarm host all in. Or that boink staked push at Hsc. Innovation is a pretty standard player though. Not saying serral is bad in these regards. He’s phenomenal. Just saying that his mechanics are his greatest strength. | ||
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Poopi
France12886 Posts
On August 23 2019 06:57 BerserkSword wrote: I never thought of serral’s greatest strength as his decision making (don’t get me wrong it’s among the best) Serral is a mechanical juggernaut. Mechanics are his greatest strength. He wins based on constant macro and efficient engages. This is why he never gets swept like maru does. His peerless mechanics make sure it never happens. At the same time you can see how decision making /dynamic play are not his greatest strengths when someone manages to topple him. When the games got crazy vs soo at iem he fell (Zerg players like solar said soo has a weird style that they hate playing). Reynor who can play pretty chaotically has beaten serral. Serral was not prepared for a carrier runby from stats - he was playing robotically with his swarm host all in. Or that boink staked push at Hsc. Innovation is a pretty standard player though. Not saying serral is bad in these regards. He’s phenomenal. Just saying that his mechanics are his greatest strength. ? That’s bullshit at best. Serral at BlizzCon 2018 wasn’t outplaying Rogue mechanically... they were both around the same level. He was just playing « better » for the long run, with better small decisions, probably because he had a better plan in his head than Rogue / figured out better how the game should go. His mechanics are good but nothing out of the ordinary, it’s mostly good decisions after good decisions / good knowledge and reactions. | ||
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
On August 23 2019 07:31 Poopi wrote: ? That’s bullshit at best. Serral at BlizzCon 2018 wasn’t outplaying Rogue mechanically... they were both around the same level. He was just playing « better » for the long run, with better small decisions, probably because he had a better plan in his head than Rogue / figured out better how the game should go. His mechanics are good but nothing out of the ordinary, it’s mostly good decisions after good decisions / good knowledge and reactions. I think the one thing about his mechanics that's especially good, for me, is his multitask/defense. It's usually very hard to get good drone damage on him in the early game with standard builds (Stats has done it before though). | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On August 23 2019 07:31 Poopi wrote: ? That’s bullshit at best. Serral at BlizzCon 2018 wasn’t outplaying Rogue mechanically... they were both around the same level. He was just playing « better » for the long run, with better small decisions, probably because he had a better plan in his head than Rogue / figured out better how the game should go. His mechanics are good but nothing out of the ordinary, it’s mostly good decisions after good decisions / good knowledge and reactions. The only bullshit i see is saying a mechanical juggernaut’s mechanics are “nothing out of the ordinary” Rogue has better mechanics than maru too btw. Rogue was eclipsed by serral, mechanically , though | ||
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Poopi
France12886 Posts
On August 23 2019 07:38 BerserkSword wrote: The only bullshit i see is saying a mechanical juggernaut’s mechanics are “nothing out of the ordinary” Rogue has better mechanics than maru too btw. Rogue was eclipsed by serral, mechanically , though Rogue with better mechanics than Maru wtf lol? As pointed out earlier, Terran peaks with mechanical skill, so the best mechanical Terran will have better « mechanics » because it’s the only race that makes mechanics shine the brightest, kinda like Fox in smash melee. So we can’t really know if Rogue/Serral would have as good micro as Terran as micro as Maru, but I highly doubt it. He kind of always had the good micro but only managed to take his perfect mechanics to their full potential in 2018+ | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On August 23 2019 07:49 Poopi wrote: Rogue with better mechanics than Maru wtf lol? As pointed out earlier, Terran peaks with mechanical skill, so the best mechanical Terran will have better « mechanics » because it’s the only race that makes mechanics shine the brightest, kinda like Fox in smash melee. So we can’t really know if Rogue/Serral would have as good micro as Terran as micro as Maru, but I highly doubt it. He kind of always had the good micro but only managed to take his perfect mechanics to their full potential in 2018+ Zerg is the mechanics race, not Terran lol Terran is the least mechanically demanding race | ||
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Luolis
Finland7105 Posts
On August 23 2019 07:57 BerserkSword wrote: Zerg is the mechanics race, not Terran lol Terran is the least mechanically demanding race You serious bruh? | ||
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DENIMKATY
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On August 23 2019 07:38 BerserkSword wrote: Rogue has better mechanics than maru too btw. Rogue was eclipsed by serral, mechanically , though bruh what? On topic though, Maru and Serral have the best mechanics in sc2. I don't think anyone comes close. soO, INnoVation, herO, ByuN etc have areas of the same they excel at but no one is the complete package like Maru and Serral. They are the best at almost everything in their races (best macro, micro, multitasking, reactions etc) in almost all areas of the game. Who's better between them? Hard to tell. But I'm inclined to say Maru because he's straight up transcended terran through nothing more than those mechanics. Serral does the same plays as every other zerg just much faster, and also has near perfect decision making. I've never seen Serral win with bad units or in a trash meta purely from outmicro'ing and multitasking opponents. Maru plays strategically behind all the time but wins because he plays twice as good as opponents. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25396 Posts
On August 25 2019 04:50 Fango wrote: bruh what? On topic though, Maru and Serral have the best mechanics in sc2. I don't think anyone comes close. soO, INnoVation, herO, ByuN etc have areas of the same they excel at but no one is the complete package like Maru and Serral. They are the best at almost everything in their races (best macro, micro, multitasking, reactions etc) in almost all areas of the game. Who's better between them? Hard to tell. But I'm inclined to say Maru because he's straight up transcended terran through nothing more than those mechanics. Serral does the same plays as every other zerg just much faster, and also has near perfect decision making. I've never seen Serral win with bad units or in a trash meta purely from outmicro'ing and multitasking opponents. Maru plays strategically behind all the time but wins because he plays twice as good as opponents. It’s probably Maru, but I suppose it really should be too. More than just about anyone Maru tries to get wins on mechanically outdoing his opponents Even a guy like Serral it feels his mechanics are a tool in playing a more conventional rounded game, Maru it feels like they are his gameplan sometimes. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6931 Posts
When someone manages to suprise him, he is in trouble Purely mechanical he is top 10 for sure. The best? Not sure Some of his engagements seem sloppy, but it doesn't matter mostly cause while this fight goes on he has built 3 more hatcheries and has another maxed army in the gates | ||
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