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On April 21 2019 20:54 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2019 20:52 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 20:48 Fango wrote:On April 21 2019 20:47 Morbidius wrote:
Gumiho control didn't even look top 10 in this series. Its like Artosis said, you can give him a 10 for his strategies but his micro is like a 5. Considering it took a colossal throw from Dark for Gumiho to make the ro8, making the finals was still pretty good for him. i dont think dark was the favorite there. gumiho's TvZ is nuts i had gumiho winning Dark is the best ZvT in the world by far. He played well below his usual standards in the match and it still took a massive throw for him to lose.
based on what?
as far as i remember, in the past year the only elite terran he's faced is maru and lost every single time.
otherwise he's just had success against the bunny's and alive's
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Old man title defense 
On April 21 2019 21:01 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2019 20:54 Fango wrote:On April 21 2019 20:52 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 20:48 Fango wrote:On April 21 2019 20:47 Morbidius wrote:
Gumiho control didn't even look top 10 in this series. Its like Artosis said, you can give him a 10 for his strategies but his micro is like a 5. Considering it took a colossal throw from Dark for Gumiho to make the ro8, making the finals was still pretty good for him. i dont think dark was the favorite there. gumiho's TvZ is nuts i had gumiho winning Dark is the best ZvT in the world by far. He played well below his usual standards in the match and it still took a massive throw for him to lose. based on what? as far as i remember, in the past year the only elite terran he's faced is maru and lost every single time. otherwise he's just had success against the bunny's and alive's
He regularly beats every Korean Terran except for Maru and ByuN. He's the #1 nemesis of GuMiho, TY and INnoVation.
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On April 21 2019 21:01 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2019 20:54 Fango wrote:On April 21 2019 20:52 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 20:48 Fango wrote:On April 21 2019 20:47 Morbidius wrote:
Gumiho control didn't even look top 10 in this series. Its like Artosis said, you can give him a 10 for his strategies but his micro is like a 5. Considering it took a colossal throw from Dark for Gumiho to make the ro8, making the finals was still pretty good for him. i dont think dark was the favorite there. gumiho's TvZ is nuts i had gumiho winning Dark is the best ZvT in the world by far. He played well below his usual standards in the match and it still took a massive throw for him to lose. based on what? as far as i remember, in the past year the only elite terran he's faced is maru and lost every single time. otherwise he's just had success against the bunny's and alive's
Maru lost 1 TvZ series the entire year which was against Rogue whom he beat in both rematches.
Dark only barely lost to Maru at WESG and repeatedly beat Inno and TY
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On April 21 2019 21:08 Elentos wrote:Old man title defense Show nested quote +On April 21 2019 21:01 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 20:54 Fango wrote:On April 21 2019 20:52 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 20:48 Fango wrote:On April 21 2019 20:47 Morbidius wrote:
Gumiho control didn't even look top 10 in this series. Its like Artosis said, you can give him a 10 for his strategies but his micro is like a 5. Considering it took a colossal throw from Dark for Gumiho to make the ro8, making the finals was still pretty good for him. i dont think dark was the favorite there. gumiho's TvZ is nuts i had gumiho winning Dark is the best ZvT in the world by far. He played well below his usual standards in the match and it still took a massive throw for him to lose. based on what? as far as i remember, in the past year the only elite terran he's faced is maru and lost every single time. otherwise he's just had success against the bunny's and alive's He regularly beats every Korean Terran except for Maru and ByuN. He's the #1 nemesis of GuMiho, TY and INnoVation.
I am talking about recent play
last year he's only faced Maru, bunny, and alive in premier tournaments
On April 21 2019 21:12 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2019 21:01 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 20:54 Fango wrote:On April 21 2019 20:52 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 20:48 Fango wrote:On April 21 2019 20:47 Morbidius wrote:
Gumiho control didn't even look top 10 in this series. Its like Artosis said, you can give him a 10 for his strategies but his micro is like a 5. Considering it took a colossal throw from Dark for Gumiho to make the ro8, making the finals was still pretty good for him. i dont think dark was the favorite there. gumiho's TvZ is nuts i had gumiho winning Dark is the best ZvT in the world by far. He played well below his usual standards in the match and it still took a massive throw for him to lose. based on what? as far as i remember, in the past year the only elite terran he's faced is maru and lost every single time. otherwise he's just had success against the bunny's and alive's Maru lost 1 TvZ series the entire year which was against Rogue whom he beat in both rematches. Dark only barely lost to Maru at WESG and repeatedly beat Inno and TY
huh?
I dont recall Dark playing Maru at WESG. Dark got stomped by Maru at IEM though.
Dark hasnt played inno in a premier tournament in over a year iirc. Same with TY unless i missed a qualifiers or something
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GuMiho's run really reminds me of aLive's back in 2017. Unexpected, exciting, and a screeching halt in the finals.
Also Classic is the greatest teamless old man in all of esports.
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On April 21 2019 21:12 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2019 21:01 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 20:54 Fango wrote:On April 21 2019 20:52 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 20:48 Fango wrote:On April 21 2019 20:47 Morbidius wrote:
Gumiho control didn't even look top 10 in this series. Its like Artosis said, you can give him a 10 for his strategies but his micro is like a 5. Considering it took a colossal throw from Dark for Gumiho to make the ro8, making the finals was still pretty good for him. i dont think dark was the favorite there. gumiho's TvZ is nuts i had gumiho winning Dark is the best ZvT in the world by far. He played well below his usual standards in the match and it still took a massive throw for him to lose. based on what? as far as i remember, in the past year the only elite terran he's faced is maru and lost every single time. otherwise he's just had success against the bunny's and alive's Maru lost 1 TvZ series the entire year which was against Rogue whom he beat in both rematches. Dark only barely lost to Maru at WESG and repeatedly beat Inno and TY
You mean Maru lost only one offline TvZ series in non team based competitions.
Look on Aligulac to know why Dark's ZvT is consistently the best.
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On April 21 2019 21:19 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2019 21:08 Elentos wrote:Old man title defense On April 21 2019 21:01 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 20:54 Fango wrote:On April 21 2019 20:52 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 20:48 Fango wrote:On April 21 2019 20:47 Morbidius wrote:
Gumiho control didn't even look top 10 in this series. Its like Artosis said, you can give him a 10 for his strategies but his micro is like a 5. Considering it took a colossal throw from Dark for Gumiho to make the ro8, making the finals was still pretty good for him. i dont think dark was the favorite there. gumiho's TvZ is nuts i had gumiho winning Dark is the best ZvT in the world by far. He played well below his usual standards in the match and it still took a massive throw for him to lose. based on what? as far as i remember, in the past year the only elite terran he's faced is maru and lost every single time. otherwise he's just had success against the bunny's and alive's He regularly beats every Korean Terran except for Maru and ByuN. He's the #1 nemesis of GuMiho, TY and INnoVation. I am talking about recent play last year he's only faced Maru, bunny, and alive in premier tournaments
So which is it, recent or last year? If it's last year you're wrong about the people he's played, so I assume you mean this year. It's also weird to restrict to premier tournaments when Dark was playing best of 11 matches against Terrans in December/January.
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On April 21 2019 21:21 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2019 21:12 Charoisaur wrote:On April 21 2019 21:01 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 20:54 Fango wrote:On April 21 2019 20:52 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 20:48 Fango wrote:On April 21 2019 20:47 Morbidius wrote:
Gumiho control didn't even look top 10 in this series. Its like Artosis said, you can give him a 10 for his strategies but his micro is like a 5. Considering it took a colossal throw from Dark for Gumiho to make the ro8, making the finals was still pretty good for him. i dont think dark was the favorite there. gumiho's TvZ is nuts i had gumiho winning Dark is the best ZvT in the world by far. He played well below his usual standards in the match and it still took a massive throw for him to lose. based on what? as far as i remember, in the past year the only elite terran he's faced is maru and lost every single time. otherwise he's just had success against the bunny's and alive's Maru lost 1 TvZ series the entire year which was against Rogue whom he beat in both rematches. Dark only barely lost to Maru at WESG and repeatedly beat Inno and TY You mean Maru lost only one offline TvZ series in non team based competitions. Look on Aligulac to know why Dark's ZvT is consistently the best.
You have to bring up Serral in every single conversation, don't you?
I don't consider a bo1 a "series".
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On April 21 2019 21:24 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2019 21:21 Xain0n wrote:On April 21 2019 21:12 Charoisaur wrote:On April 21 2019 21:01 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 20:54 Fango wrote:On April 21 2019 20:52 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 20:48 Fango wrote:On April 21 2019 20:47 Morbidius wrote:
Gumiho control didn't even look top 10 in this series. Its like Artosis said, you can give him a 10 for his strategies but his micro is like a 5. Considering it took a colossal throw from Dark for Gumiho to make the ro8, making the finals was still pretty good for him. i dont think dark was the favorite there. gumiho's TvZ is nuts i had gumiho winning Dark is the best ZvT in the world by far. He played well below his usual standards in the match and it still took a massive throw for him to lose. based on what? as far as i remember, in the past year the only elite terran he's faced is maru and lost every single time. otherwise he's just had success against the bunny's and alive's Maru lost 1 TvZ series the entire year which was against Rogue whom he beat in both rematches. Dark only barely lost to Maru at WESG and repeatedly beat Inno and TY You mean Maru lost only one offline TvZ series in non team based competitions. Look on Aligulac to know why Dark's ZvT is consistently the best. You have to bring up Serral in every single conversation, don't you? I don't consider a bo1 a "series".
You are still missing something. It's just a partially incorrect statement, the one you made.
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On April 21 2019 21:22 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2019 21:19 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 21:08 Elentos wrote:Old man title defense On April 21 2019 21:01 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 20:54 Fango wrote:On April 21 2019 20:52 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 20:48 Fango wrote:On April 21 2019 20:47 Morbidius wrote:
Gumiho control didn't even look top 10 in this series. Its like Artosis said, you can give him a 10 for his strategies but his micro is like a 5. Considering it took a colossal throw from Dark for Gumiho to make the ro8, making the finals was still pretty good for him. i dont think dark was the favorite there. gumiho's TvZ is nuts i had gumiho winning Dark is the best ZvT in the world by far. He played well below his usual standards in the match and it still took a massive throw for him to lose. based on what? as far as i remember, in the past year the only elite terran he's faced is maru and lost every single time. otherwise he's just had success against the bunny's and alive's He regularly beats every Korean Terran except for Maru and ByuN. He's the #1 nemesis of GuMiho, TY and INnoVation. I am talking about recent play last year he's only faced Maru, bunny, and alive in premier tournaments So which is it, recent or last year? If it's last year you're wrong about the people he's played, so I assume you mean this year. It's also weird to restrict to premier tournaments when Dark was playing best of 11 matches against Terrans in December/January.
It doesnt matter if it's recent or last year. Either way I don't see a case to be made about him being the best ZvT in the world
Premier tournaments are the only thing that matter lol
Anyway I did a filter on aligulac for all offline matches within the last year
here's his record
1-1 vs cure
1-2 vs gumiho (in fact gumiho eliminated him from gsl code S season 3)
2-0 vs bunny
0-1 vs Maru
1-0 vs hhquanta
2-0 vs alive
1-0 vs innovation
1-0 vs keen
1-0 vs ryung
where is the case for best ZvT?
Gumiho was the favorite here, going by watching them play as well as recent history. gumiho's tvz has been off the chain
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On April 21 2019 21:32 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2019 21:22 Elentos wrote:On April 21 2019 21:19 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 21:08 Elentos wrote:Old man title defense On April 21 2019 21:01 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 20:54 Fango wrote:On April 21 2019 20:52 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 20:48 Fango wrote:On April 21 2019 20:47 Morbidius wrote:
Gumiho control didn't even look top 10 in this series. Its like Artosis said, you can give him a 10 for his strategies but his micro is like a 5. Considering it took a colossal throw from Dark for Gumiho to make the ro8, making the finals was still pretty good for him. i dont think dark was the favorite there. gumiho's TvZ is nuts i had gumiho winning Dark is the best ZvT in the world by far. He played well below his usual standards in the match and it still took a massive throw for him to lose. based on what? as far as i remember, in the past year the only elite terran he's faced is maru and lost every single time. otherwise he's just had success against the bunny's and alive's He regularly beats every Korean Terran except for Maru and ByuN. He's the #1 nemesis of GuMiho, TY and INnoVation. I am talking about recent play last year he's only faced Maru, bunny, and alive in premier tournaments So which is it, recent or last year? If it's last year you're wrong about the people he's played, so I assume you mean this year. It's also weird to restrict to premier tournaments when Dark was playing best of 11 matches against Terrans in December/January. It doesnt matter if it's recent or last year. Either way I don't see a case to be made about him being the best ZvT in the world Premier tournaments are the only thing that matter lol Anyway I did a filter on aligulac for all offline matches within the last year here's his record 1-1 vs cure 1-2 vs gumiho (in fact gumiho eliminated him from gsl code S season 3) 2-0 vs bunny 0-1 vs Maru 1-0 vs hhquanta 2-0 vs alive 1-0 vs innovation 1-0 vs keen 1-0 vs ryung where is the case for best ZvT? Gumiho was the favorite here, going by watching them play as well as recent history. gumiho's tvz has been off the chain
which Zerg has a better claim? Rogue lost twice to Maru twice to Inno and to Gumiho in the same time span so he can't be it. Serral got 3-0ed by Maru, struggled vs TaeJa and lost twice vs Inno so he can't be it.
soO? hahahah
and why do you consider only offline? seems cherry-picked. I'm surprised there's even a discussion about Dark being the best ZvT player
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On April 21 2019 21:45 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2019 21:32 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 21:22 Elentos wrote:On April 21 2019 21:19 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 21:08 Elentos wrote:Old man title defense On April 21 2019 21:01 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 20:54 Fango wrote:On April 21 2019 20:52 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 20:48 Fango wrote:On April 21 2019 20:47 Morbidius wrote:
Gumiho control didn't even look top 10 in this series. Its like Artosis said, you can give him a 10 for his strategies but his micro is like a 5. Considering it took a colossal throw from Dark for Gumiho to make the ro8, making the finals was still pretty good for him. i dont think dark was the favorite there. gumiho's TvZ is nuts i had gumiho winning Dark is the best ZvT in the world by far. He played well below his usual standards in the match and it still took a massive throw for him to lose. based on what? as far as i remember, in the past year the only elite terran he's faced is maru and lost every single time. otherwise he's just had success against the bunny's and alive's He regularly beats every Korean Terran except for Maru and ByuN. He's the #1 nemesis of GuMiho, TY and INnoVation. I am talking about recent play last year he's only faced Maru, bunny, and alive in premier tournaments So which is it, recent or last year? If it's last year you're wrong about the people he's played, so I assume you mean this year. It's also weird to restrict to premier tournaments when Dark was playing best of 11 matches against Terrans in December/January. It doesnt matter if it's recent or last year. Either way I don't see a case to be made about him being the best ZvT in the world Premier tournaments are the only thing that matter lol Anyway I did a filter on aligulac for all offline matches within the last year here's his record 1-1 vs cure 1-2 vs gumiho (in fact gumiho eliminated him from gsl code S season 3) 2-0 vs bunny 0-1 vs Maru 1-0 vs hhquanta 2-0 vs alive 1-0 vs innovation 1-0 vs keen 1-0 vs ryung where is the case for best ZvT? Gumiho was the favorite here, going by watching them play as well as recent history. gumiho's tvz has been off the chain which Zerg has a better claim? Rogue lost twice to Maru twice to Inno and to Gumiho in the same time span so he can't be it. Serral got 3-0ed by Maru, struggled vs TaeJa and lost twice vs Inno so he can't be it. soO? hahahah and why do you consider only offline? seems cherry-picked. I'm surprised there's even a discussion about Dark being the best ZvT player
Well not that I disagree but I bet you if Dark had played two series vs Maru he would also lost them. Its not just about the record but who you face. And lets face it, in Korea Zerg is the weakest race. In 2018 they won nothing. This year soO got katowice and 2017 Rogue got Super-tournament, Katowice and Blizzcon.
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On April 21 2019 21:45 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2019 21:32 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 21:22 Elentos wrote:On April 21 2019 21:19 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 21:08 Elentos wrote:Old man title defense On April 21 2019 21:01 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 20:54 Fango wrote:On April 21 2019 20:52 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 20:48 Fango wrote:On April 21 2019 20:47 Morbidius wrote:
Gumiho control didn't even look top 10 in this series. Its like Artosis said, you can give him a 10 for his strategies but his micro is like a 5. Considering it took a colossal throw from Dark for Gumiho to make the ro8, making the finals was still pretty good for him. i dont think dark was the favorite there. gumiho's TvZ is nuts i had gumiho winning Dark is the best ZvT in the world by far. He played well below his usual standards in the match and it still took a massive throw for him to lose. based on what? as far as i remember, in the past year the only elite terran he's faced is maru and lost every single time. otherwise he's just had success against the bunny's and alive's He regularly beats every Korean Terran except for Maru and ByuN. He's the #1 nemesis of GuMiho, TY and INnoVation. I am talking about recent play last year he's only faced Maru, bunny, and alive in premier tournaments So which is it, recent or last year? If it's last year you're wrong about the people he's played, so I assume you mean this year. It's also weird to restrict to premier tournaments when Dark was playing best of 11 matches against Terrans in December/January. It doesnt matter if it's recent or last year. Either way I don't see a case to be made about him being the best ZvT in the world Premier tournaments are the only thing that matter lol Anyway I did a filter on aligulac for all offline matches within the last year here's his record 1-1 vs cure 1-2 vs gumiho (in fact gumiho eliminated him from gsl code S season 3) 2-0 vs bunny 0-1 vs Maru 1-0 vs hhquanta 2-0 vs alive 1-0 vs innovation 1-0 vs keen 1-0 vs ryung where is the case for best ZvT? Gumiho was the favorite here, going by watching them play as well as recent history. gumiho's tvz has been off the chain which Zerg has a better claim? Rogue lost twice to Maru twice to Inno and to Gumiho in the same time span so he can't be it. Serral got 3-0ed by Maru, struggled vs TaeJa and lost twice vs Inno so he can't be it. soO? hahahah and why do you consider only offline? seems cherry-picked. I'm surprised there's even a discussion about Dark being the best ZvT player
How is "struggling" relevant if you win? TvZ seemed very T favored at HSC, if you consider online games Serral vs Maru is 3-3(2-1). I think Serral was better at least from GSL vs The World onwards in 2018 while Dark was better before and after, his loss to Gumiho(whose ZvT record didn't really seem dominating) was unexpected.
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On April 21 2019 21:45 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2019 21:32 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 21:22 Elentos wrote:On April 21 2019 21:19 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 21:08 Elentos wrote:Old man title defense On April 21 2019 21:01 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 20:54 Fango wrote:On April 21 2019 20:52 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 20:48 Fango wrote:On April 21 2019 20:47 Morbidius wrote:
Gumiho control didn't even look top 10 in this series. Its like Artosis said, you can give him a 10 for his strategies but his micro is like a 5. Considering it took a colossal throw from Dark for Gumiho to make the ro8, making the finals was still pretty good for him. i dont think dark was the favorite there. gumiho's TvZ is nuts i had gumiho winning Dark is the best ZvT in the world by far. He played well below his usual standards in the match and it still took a massive throw for him to lose. based on what? as far as i remember, in the past year the only elite terran he's faced is maru and lost every single time. otherwise he's just had success against the bunny's and alive's He regularly beats every Korean Terran except for Maru and ByuN. He's the #1 nemesis of GuMiho, TY and INnoVation. I am talking about recent play last year he's only faced Maru, bunny, and alive in premier tournaments So which is it, recent or last year? If it's last year you're wrong about the people he's played, so I assume you mean this year. It's also weird to restrict to premier tournaments when Dark was playing best of 11 matches against Terrans in December/January. It doesnt matter if it's recent or last year. Either way I don't see a case to be made about him being the best ZvT in the world Premier tournaments are the only thing that matter lol Anyway I did a filter on aligulac for all offline matches within the last year here's his record 1-1 vs cure 1-2 vs gumiho (in fact gumiho eliminated him from gsl code S season 3) 2-0 vs bunny 0-1 vs Maru 1-0 vs hhquanta 2-0 vs alive 1-0 vs innovation 1-0 vs keen 1-0 vs ryung where is the case for best ZvT? Gumiho was the favorite here, going by watching them play as well as recent history. gumiho's tvz has been off the chain which Zerg has a better claim? Rogue lost twice to Maru twice to Inno and to Gumiho in the same time span so he can't be it. Serral got 3-0ed by Maru, struggled vs TaeJa and lost twice vs Inno so he can't be it. soO? hahahah and why do you consider only offline? seems cherry-picked. I'm surprised there's even a discussion about Dark being the best ZvT player
solar is the best ZvT in the world right now by far imo
and honestly i think serral is better if you only go by watching the players play vs results, but since that is so arbitrary ill stick with solar
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Dark still looked pretty good that series it wasn’t like Gumiho crushed him, made some pretty big blunders though. Not unlike Gumiho himself today
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On April 21 2019 21:54 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2019 21:45 Charoisaur wrote:On April 21 2019 21:32 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 21:22 Elentos wrote:On April 21 2019 21:19 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 21:08 Elentos wrote:Old man title defense On April 21 2019 21:01 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 20:54 Fango wrote:On April 21 2019 20:52 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 20:48 Fango wrote:
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Considering it took a colossal throw from Dark for Gumiho to make the ro8, making the finals was still pretty good for him. i dont think dark was the favorite there. gumiho's TvZ is nuts i had gumiho winning Dark is the best ZvT in the world by far. He played well below his usual standards in the match and it still took a massive throw for him to lose. based on what? as far as i remember, in the past year the only elite terran he's faced is maru and lost every single time. otherwise he's just had success against the bunny's and alive's He regularly beats every Korean Terran except for Maru and ByuN. He's the #1 nemesis of GuMiho, TY and INnoVation. I am talking about recent play last year he's only faced Maru, bunny, and alive in premier tournaments So which is it, recent or last year? If it's last year you're wrong about the people he's played, so I assume you mean this year. It's also weird to restrict to premier tournaments when Dark was playing best of 11 matches against Terrans in December/January. It doesnt matter if it's recent or last year. Either way I don't see a case to be made about him being the best ZvT in the world Premier tournaments are the only thing that matter lol Anyway I did a filter on aligulac for all offline matches within the last year here's his record 1-1 vs cure 1-2 vs gumiho (in fact gumiho eliminated him from gsl code S season 3) 2-0 vs bunny 0-1 vs Maru 1-0 vs hhquanta 2-0 vs alive 1-0 vs innovation 1-0 vs keen 1-0 vs ryung where is the case for best ZvT? Gumiho was the favorite here, going by watching them play as well as recent history. gumiho's tvz has been off the chain which Zerg has a better claim? Rogue lost twice to Maru twice to Inno and to Gumiho in the same time span so he can't be it. Serral got 3-0ed by Maru, struggled vs TaeJa and lost twice vs Inno so he can't be it. soO? hahahah and why do you consider only offline? seems cherry-picked. I'm surprised there's even a discussion about Dark being the best ZvT player How is "struggling" relevant if you win? TvZ seemed very T favored at HSC, if you consider online games Serral vs Maru is 3-3(2-1). I think Serral was better at least from GSL vs The World onwards in 2018 while Dark was better before and after, his loss to Gumiho(whose ZvT record didn't really seem dominating) was unexpected.
That's it, I won't respond to another comment from you.
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look at solar's records within the last year
1-1 vs fantasy
1-0 vs special
2-2 vs TY
2-0 vs gumiho
2-1 vs bunny
2-2 vs inno
2-0 vs taeja
1-0 vs mma
1-2 vs cure
1-1 vs keen
0-1 vs maru
only losing records vs maru and cure
and his 2019 record against top terrans in the world
1-0 vs special
1-0 vs gumiho
2-1 vs ty
1-0 vs innovation
monster zvT considering how T favored the matchup has been recently
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ok solar has the best zvt in the world
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On April 21 2019 22:00 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2019 21:54 Xain0n wrote:On April 21 2019 21:45 Charoisaur wrote:On April 21 2019 21:32 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 21:22 Elentos wrote:On April 21 2019 21:19 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 21:08 Elentos wrote:Old man title defense On April 21 2019 21:01 BerserkSword wrote:On April 21 2019 20:54 Fango wrote:On April 21 2019 20:52 BerserkSword wrote:
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i dont think dark was the favorite there. gumiho's TvZ is nuts
i had gumiho winning Dark is the best ZvT in the world by far. He played well below his usual standards in the match and it still took a massive throw for him to lose. based on what? as far as i remember, in the past year the only elite terran he's faced is maru and lost every single time. otherwise he's just had success against the bunny's and alive's He regularly beats every Korean Terran except for Maru and ByuN. He's the #1 nemesis of GuMiho, TY and INnoVation. I am talking about recent play last year he's only faced Maru, bunny, and alive in premier tournaments So which is it, recent or last year? If it's last year you're wrong about the people he's played, so I assume you mean this year. It's also weird to restrict to premier tournaments when Dark was playing best of 11 matches against Terrans in December/January. It doesnt matter if it's recent or last year. Either way I don't see a case to be made about him being the best ZvT in the world Premier tournaments are the only thing that matter lol Anyway I did a filter on aligulac for all offline matches within the last year here's his record 1-1 vs cure 1-2 vs gumiho (in fact gumiho eliminated him from gsl code S season 3) 2-0 vs bunny 0-1 vs Maru 1-0 vs hhquanta 2-0 vs alive 1-0 vs innovation 1-0 vs keen 1-0 vs ryung where is the case for best ZvT? Gumiho was the favorite here, going by watching them play as well as recent history. gumiho's tvz has been off the chain which Zerg has a better claim? Rogue lost twice to Maru twice to Inno and to Gumiho in the same time span so he can't be it. Serral got 3-0ed by Maru, struggled vs TaeJa and lost twice vs Inno so he can't be it. soO? hahahah and why do you consider only offline? seems cherry-picked. I'm surprised there's even a discussion about Dark being the best ZvT player How is "struggling" relevant if you win? TvZ seemed very T favored at HSC, if you consider online games Serral vs Maru is 3-3(2-1). I think Serral was better at least from GSL vs The World onwards in 2018 while Dark was better before and after, his loss to Gumiho(whose ZvT record didn't really seem dominating) was unexpected. That's it, I won't respond to another comment from you.
Then don't, if you want to bring numbers be sure to use the right ones; it's false to say that Maru did not lose one single TvZ series in 2018, he lost one single series in Premier, offline, non team based(he didn't lose to Serral only in bo1, in BJ Destruction
he was defeated by soO) tournaments; these losses are pretty irrelevant, still they happened.
Solar's ZvT record is pretty convincing, especially in 2019; it's maybe a bit lacking when it comes to the most prestigious stages(he went out of Code S because of ZvT).
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