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TY v soO could start now, but it was scheduled for main stage, so maybe they're postponing it anyway
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On March 02 2019 03:08 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 03:07 DBooN wrote:
Man Bunnys macro is so bad, can't even beat 70 scvs with 40. I really don't get why he didn't rebuild scv, he looked so much better than UT in the rest of the game
Probably thought he'd die if he did. He cancelled +3 attack aswell. Maybe a bad decision, since he couldn't win the game even after crushing a fight, while a fight like that might've won him the game if he played more greedy.
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On March 02 2019 03:07 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 03:05 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:On March 02 2019 03:02 Charoisaur wrote:On March 02 2019 03:01 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:On March 02 2019 02:59 Charoisaur wrote:On March 02 2019 02:57 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:On March 02 2019 02:49 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:47 travis wrote:On March 02 2019 02:40 Elentos wrote:On March 02 2019 02:39 travis wrote:
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okay but for GSL you have to live there for months.. You have to live there for at most 3 months. TRUE and Ragnarok's visa processes went over 9 months. I don't think you guys get the point. You think it's easy for most people to leave their family and move to a foreign country where they don't speak the language for months at a time? As opposed to... flying to a tournament for a weekend or a week? And yet pro athletes do it every year. If Blizzard really cared about making their game actually as competitive as it should be, they would make this happen, they would offer Serral enough to make it happen. At this point Serral is guaranteed a massive check from Blizzard every year anyway, why not make it official and get him to play where he's actually going to be challenged because lord knows that isn't gonna happen in WCS. Dude 1. very little percentage of pro-athletes do it 2. those who do it - it was their dream from the moment they picked up their sport 3. those athletes that come to a different country to work - they really get a very good contract with sweet living conditions. You can google this. 4. Some of those athletes then go back home literally to repair their well being. 5. Its good for you to start saying that its Blizzard (or any other organization for what its worth) give it a try. 6. If i was Serral i woulnd't even consider GSL if i wasnt treated as a rock start on tour. Seriously. But im not Serral so let's see what happens. and yet Scarlett, Special, Neeb, Elazer, Ptitdrogo, SortOf and even 16 year old Reynor did it. Perfect. Ask them if they were "forced" to do it, or it was their dream/intention to do it. ??? why would they be "forced" to do it? well a couple of dudes here are asking Serral to pack his bags and go live in Korea. This is really strange isn't it? Also they are asking him not to participate in high-dollar events where Maru loses before meeting him. So it really becomes a very hard environment to operate lol. Some crazy things happening! As you obviously missed my reply, nobody is asking him or forcing him. All we say - it's easier for him to do so as Blizzard forces less rules on him. And as was pointed out, he can fly there, play games, fly home. Koreans can't do this.
i already replied to you that saying its easier only based on the fact that blizzard forces less rules is not a proven fact. One aspect is indeed easier. Hence you have Neebs and Scarletts living in Korea. This is just one aspect. It might be easier for most, but harder for some.
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On March 02 2019 03:02 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 03:01 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:On March 02 2019 02:59 Charoisaur wrote:On March 02 2019 02:57 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:On March 02 2019 02:49 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:47 travis wrote:On March 02 2019 02:40 Elentos wrote:On March 02 2019 02:39 travis wrote:On March 02 2019 02:38 Nakajin wrote:On March 02 2019 02:37 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
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Explain to me, how its easier. Really. Take months/years having a visa (ok sorry can't stay out of it) okay but for GSL you have to live there for months.. You have to live there for at most 3 months. TRUE and Ragnarok's visa processes went over 9 months. I don't think you guys get the point. You think it's easy for most people to leave their family and move to a foreign country where they don't speak the language for months at a time? As opposed to... flying to a tournament for a weekend or a week? And yet pro athletes do it every year. If Blizzard really cared about making their game actually as competitive as it should be, they would make this happen, they would offer Serral enough to make it happen. At this point Serral is guaranteed a massive check from Blizzard every year anyway, why not make it official and get him to play where he's actually going to be challenged because lord knows that isn't gonna happen in WCS. Dude 1. very little percentage of pro-athletes do it 2. those who do it - it was their dream from the moment they picked up their sport 3. those athletes that come to a different country to work - they really get a very good contract with sweet living conditions. You can google this. 4. Some of those athletes then go back home literally to repair their well being. 5. Its good for you to start saying that its Blizzard (or any other organization for what its worth) give it a try. 6. If i was Serral i woulnd't even consider GSL if i wasnt treated as a rock start on tour. Seriously. But im not Serral so let's see what happens. and yet Scarlett, Special, Neeb, Elazer, Ptitdrogo, SortOf and even 16 year old Reynor did it. Perfect. Ask them if they were "forced" to do it, or it was their dream/intention to do it. No one is forcing Serral, it's just an argument about him being the best and avoiding the best competition. It's easier for him? It is. Is he avoiding Korea? He is. Is that something bad? It's not, it's his free decision. But somehow his fans are super salty when anybody mentions this  I wonder why. Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 03:02 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 02:52 Charoisaur wrote:On March 02 2019 02:49 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 02:22 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:17 RaFox17 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:11 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:09 starkiller123 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:06 RaFox17 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:
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I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked.
We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also.
Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact. Just want to point out that that is a subjective opinion. Winning GSL is impressive but the current format also gives the title holder a free pass to the quarterfinals. this format has been in place for years and yet no one else has been able to sweep a year of GSL with the same advantage Thank you! not even Mvp was ever able to sweep an entire year's worth of seasons. No one ever has. What Maru did last year was unprecedented in SC2 and he did it at the highest level in a tournament that wasn't locked to anyone. Serral can't claim that. He's a super skilled player whose legacy has been inflated thanks to the dumb system that WCS is using. I hate it, and I will not shut up about it until it changes. There is no way to say objectively which one had more impressive year. I think Serral deserved the player of the year award because he won GSL vs. the world and Blizzcon. Also using an argument that depends on a person not being able to imagine something is quite questionable  Let's not mince words here. Serral won the "player of the year award" (who even gave that site the right to decide anything) because he was the first non-Korean to win a top tier tournament in a game that has been dominated by Koreans over the last 20 years. He won because of his ethnic origin. If he was a Korean player that award would have gone to a different player playing a different game. On one hand, I get that and I can even appreciate it. On the other hand, Blizzard has been manipulating the system in their game to make it easier and easier for this result to happen. I'm not OK with that. It diminishes the accomplishments of top tier foreigners like Stephano and it inflates the results of people that are legitimately awesome like Serral. I want this shit fair, and I want Serral to win fair and square. I want more tournaments like IEM and fewer like WCS and Blizzcon. You are clueless if you think Serral was crowned best player in the world only because he is not korean; I would actually say it's more impressive as people here value Code S so immensely and he didn't get to play them. People used to value Code S highly here. Since the Serral hype Code S is often completely dismissed because it doesn't fit the narrative that Serral was by far the best and most dominating player of the year. Code S still is way superior to WCS but you guys all seem to think it's slightly better than a Major; the achievement argument can't be solved just because of that. Serral may very well be weaker against Terran but wasn't Maru very vulnerable to Protoss? It's not like every single tournament there are the best possible pairings, upsets happened to everyone but Serral. He won and that's all that's counts. Maru had beaten several good Protoss players(and Zest ) to: 1) Achieve Code S title 2) To get to the Code S finals C'mon. You need to get better, because Serral magically avoided Maru and TY the whole 2018.
And he lost against Classic, Stats and sOs to get out of every single weekender during the year.
Inno didn't defeat himself at HSC.
So, in your opinion, every single player who won a tournament without facing the supposedly best player in the world in that moment didn't really earn his titles?
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On March 02 2019 03:05 sneakyfox wrote:
Production has been so smooth all week but now we have only a single match running. Innovation late game ruined Katowice
He needed that 200$
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C-Stream already advertising Uthermal vs Scarlett...
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Kinda late but just checked the results and INno beat Serral in the bo3? Feels like such a waste because he doesn't advance...
Now TY is my last hope, Taeyang take my energy!
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On March 02 2019 03:11 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 03:02 deacon.frost wrote:On March 02 2019 03:01 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:On March 02 2019 02:59 Charoisaur wrote:On March 02 2019 02:57 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:On March 02 2019 02:49 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:47 travis wrote:On March 02 2019 02:40 Elentos wrote:On March 02 2019 02:39 travis wrote:On March 02 2019 02:38 Nakajin wrote:
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Take months/years having a visa (ok sorry can't stay out of it)
okay but for GSL you have to live there for months.. You have to live there for at most 3 months. TRUE and Ragnarok's visa processes went over 9 months. I don't think you guys get the point. You think it's easy for most people to leave their family and move to a foreign country where they don't speak the language for months at a time? As opposed to... flying to a tournament for a weekend or a week? And yet pro athletes do it every year. If Blizzard really cared about making their game actually as competitive as it should be, they would make this happen, they would offer Serral enough to make it happen. At this point Serral is guaranteed a massive check from Blizzard every year anyway, why not make it official and get him to play where he's actually going to be challenged because lord knows that isn't gonna happen in WCS. Dude 1. very little percentage of pro-athletes do it 2. those who do it - it was their dream from the moment they picked up their sport 3. those athletes that come to a different country to work - they really get a very good contract with sweet living conditions. You can google this. 4. Some of those athletes then go back home literally to repair their well being. 5. Its good for you to start saying that its Blizzard (or any other organization for what its worth) give it a try. 6. If i was Serral i woulnd't even consider GSL if i wasnt treated as a rock start on tour. Seriously. But im not Serral so let's see what happens. and yet Scarlett, Special, Neeb, Elazer, Ptitdrogo, SortOf and even 16 year old Reynor did it. Perfect. Ask them if they were "forced" to do it, or it was their dream/intention to do it. No one is forcing Serral, it's just an argument about him being the best and avoiding the best competition. It's easier for him? It is. Is he avoiding Korea? He is. Is that something bad? It's not, it's his free decision. But somehow his fans are super salty when anybody mentions this I wonder why. On March 02 2019 03:02 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 02:52 Charoisaur wrote:On March 02 2019 02:49 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 02:22 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:17 RaFox17 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:11 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:09 starkiller123 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:06 RaFox17 wrote:
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Just want to point out that that is a subjective opinion. Winning GSL is impressive but the current format also gives the title holder a free pass to the quarterfinals.
this format has been in place for years and yet no one else has been able to sweep a year of GSL with the same advantage Thank you! not even Mvp was ever able to sweep an entire year's worth of seasons. No one ever has. What Maru did last year was unprecedented in SC2 and he did it at the highest level in a tournament that wasn't locked to anyone. Serral can't claim that. He's a super skilled player whose legacy has been inflated thanks to the dumb system that WCS is using. I hate it, and I will not shut up about it until it changes. There is no way to say objectively which one had more impressive year. I think Serral deserved the player of the year award because he won GSL vs. the world and Blizzcon. Also using an argument that depends on a person not being able to imagine something is quite questionable Let's not mince words here. Serral won the "player of the year award" (who even gave that site the right to decide anything) because he was the first non-Korean to win a top tier tournament in a game that has been dominated by Koreans over the last 20 years. He won because of his ethnic origin. If he was a Korean player that award would have gone to a different player playing a different game. On one hand, I get that and I can even appreciate it. On the other hand, Blizzard has been manipulating the system in their game to make it easier and easier for this result to happen. I'm not OK with that. It diminishes the accomplishments of top tier foreigners like Stephano and it inflates the results of people that are legitimately awesome like Serral. I want this shit fair, and I want Serral to win fair and square. I want more tournaments like IEM and fewer like WCS and Blizzcon. You are clueless if you think Serral was crowned best player in the world only because he is not korean; I would actually say it's more impressive as people here value Code S so immensely and he didn't get to play them. People used to value Code S highly here. Since the Serral hype Code S is often completely dismissed because it doesn't fit the narrative that Serral was by far the best and most dominating player of the year. Code S still is way superior to WCS but you guys all seem to think it's slightly better than a Major; the achievement argument can't be solved just because of that. Serral may very well be weaker against Terran but wasn't Maru very vulnerable to Protoss? It's not like every single tournament there are the best possible pairings, upsets happened to everyone but Serral. He won and that's all that's counts. Maru had beaten several good Protoss players(and Zest ) to: 1) Achieve Code S title 2) To get to the Code S finals C'mon. You need to get better, because Serral magically avoided Maru and TY the whole 2018. And he lost against Classic, Stats and sOs to get out of every single weekender during the year.Inno didn't defeat himself at HSC. So, in your opinion, every single player who won a tournament without facing the supposedly best player in the world in that moment didn't really earn his titles?
I think you forgot about one weekender :O
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On March 02 2019 03:06 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 03:04 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 03:01 deacon.frost wrote:On March 02 2019 02:59 Nakajin wrote:On March 02 2019 02:59 WickedBit wrote:On March 02 2019 02:49 GoloSC2 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:47 Charoisaur wrote:On March 02 2019 02:45 Pandain wrote:Did Serral Innovation really throw off the schedule that much? Seemed like all three streams were continually playing something but now there's always one series that is late. They should just start the other games. On March 02 2019 02:45 Charoisaur wrote:On March 02 2019 02:44 Xain0n wrote:
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With his GSL vs the World or Blizzcon's level, he would have won it. His streak would have probably been less impressive tho
He probably would have won it fixed it for you Nope, very unlikely with Maru playing there maru lost to serral at gsl vs world, so i don't think it would have been very unlikely No he lost to stats. They didn’t face each other . He was talking about the bo1 team competition Serral lost to Maru 0:3 in the only offline BO3+ game they played the last year. Thus proving that Serral wouldn't have won. He lost to slumping Innovation today to prove this. Q.E.D. That's frankly ridicolous, shape isn't constant throughout the year. It doesn't prove anything other than Maru being stronger than Serral at WESG. It's not. Serral wouldn't have won Code S because of his weakness. Let's see how his ZvT improves in this tournament.
He wouldn't have won GSL II or III because he lost in March?
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On March 02 2019 03:13 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 03:11 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 03:02 deacon.frost wrote:On March 02 2019 03:01 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:On March 02 2019 02:59 Charoisaur wrote:On March 02 2019 02:57 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:On March 02 2019 02:49 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:47 travis wrote:On March 02 2019 02:40 Elentos wrote:On March 02 2019 02:39 travis wrote:
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okay but for GSL you have to live there for months.. You have to live there for at most 3 months. TRUE and Ragnarok's visa processes went over 9 months. I don't think you guys get the point. You think it's easy for most people to leave their family and move to a foreign country where they don't speak the language for months at a time? As opposed to... flying to a tournament for a weekend or a week? And yet pro athletes do it every year. If Blizzard really cared about making their game actually as competitive as it should be, they would make this happen, they would offer Serral enough to make it happen. At this point Serral is guaranteed a massive check from Blizzard every year anyway, why not make it official and get him to play where he's actually going to be challenged because lord knows that isn't gonna happen in WCS. Dude 1. very little percentage of pro-athletes do it 2. those who do it - it was their dream from the moment they picked up their sport 3. those athletes that come to a different country to work - they really get a very good contract with sweet living conditions. You can google this. 4. Some of those athletes then go back home literally to repair their well being. 5. Its good for you to start saying that its Blizzard (or any other organization for what its worth) give it a try. 6. If i was Serral i woulnd't even consider GSL if i wasnt treated as a rock start on tour. Seriously. But im not Serral so let's see what happens. and yet Scarlett, Special, Neeb, Elazer, Ptitdrogo, SortOf and even 16 year old Reynor did it. Perfect. Ask them if they were "forced" to do it, or it was their dream/intention to do it. No one is forcing Serral, it's just an argument about him being the best and avoiding the best competition. It's easier for him? It is. Is he avoiding Korea? He is. Is that something bad? It's not, it's his free decision. But somehow his fans are super salty when anybody mentions this I wonder why. On March 02 2019 03:02 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 02:52 Charoisaur wrote:On March 02 2019 02:49 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 02:22 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:17 RaFox17 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:11 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:09 starkiller123 wrote:
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this format has been in place for years and yet no one else has been able to sweep a year of GSL with the same advantage
Thank you! not even Mvp was ever able to sweep an entire year's worth of seasons. No one ever has. What Maru did last year was unprecedented in SC2 and he did it at the highest level in a tournament that wasn't locked to anyone. Serral can't claim that. He's a super skilled player whose legacy has been inflated thanks to the dumb system that WCS is using. I hate it, and I will not shut up about it until it changes. There is no way to say objectively which one had more impressive year. I think Serral deserved the player of the year award because he won GSL vs. the world and Blizzcon. Also using an argument that depends on a person not being able to imagine something is quite questionable Let's not mince words here. Serral won the "player of the year award" (who even gave that site the right to decide anything) because he was the first non-Korean to win a top tier tournament in a game that has been dominated by Koreans over the last 20 years. He won because of his ethnic origin. If he was a Korean player that award would have gone to a different player playing a different game. On one hand, I get that and I can even appreciate it. On the other hand, Blizzard has been manipulating the system in their game to make it easier and easier for this result to happen. I'm not OK with that. It diminishes the accomplishments of top tier foreigners like Stephano and it inflates the results of people that are legitimately awesome like Serral. I want this shit fair, and I want Serral to win fair and square. I want more tournaments like IEM and fewer like WCS and Blizzcon. You are clueless if you think Serral was crowned best player in the world only because he is not korean; I would actually say it's more impressive as people here value Code S so immensely and he didn't get to play them. People used to value Code S highly here. Since the Serral hype Code S is often completely dismissed because it doesn't fit the narrative that Serral was by far the best and most dominating player of the year. Code S still is way superior to WCS but you guys all seem to think it's slightly better than a Major; the achievement argument can't be solved just because of that. Serral may very well be weaker against Terran but wasn't Maru very vulnerable to Protoss? It's not like every single tournament there are the best possible pairings, upsets happened to everyone but Serral. He won and that's all that's counts. Maru had beaten several good Protoss players(and Zest ) to: 1) Achieve Code S title 2) To get to the Code S finals C'mon. You need to get better, because Serral magically avoided Maru and TY the whole 2018. And he lost against Classic, Stats and sOs to get out of every single weekender during the year.Inno didn't defeat himself at HSC. So, in your opinion, every single player who won a tournament without facing the supposedly best player in the world in that moment didn't really earn his titles? I think you forgot about one weekender :O
That weekender doesnt exist for Serral fanboys
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uThermal playing suprisingly good
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Good. If I can't say Serral would have won Code S you can't state he wouldn't, those are opinions.
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On March 02 2019 03:13 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 03:06 deacon.frost wrote:On March 02 2019 03:04 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 03:01 deacon.frost wrote:On March 02 2019 02:59 Nakajin wrote:On March 02 2019 02:59 WickedBit wrote:On March 02 2019 02:49 GoloSC2 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:47 Charoisaur wrote:On March 02 2019 02:45 Pandain wrote:Did Serral Innovation really throw off the schedule that much? Seemed like all three streams were continually playing something but now there's always one series that is late. They should just start the other games. On March 02 2019 02:45 Charoisaur wrote:
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He probably would have won it
fixed it for you Nope, very unlikely with Maru playing there maru lost to serral at gsl vs world, so i don't think it would have been very unlikely No he lost to stats. They didn’t face each other . He was talking about the bo1 team competition Serral lost to Maru 0:3 in the only offline BO3+ game they played the last year. Thus proving that Serral wouldn't have won. He lost to slumping Innovation today to prove this. Q.E.D. That's frankly ridicolous, shape isn't constant throughout the year. It doesn't prove anything other than Maru being stronger than Serral at WESG. It's not. Serral wouldn't have won Code S because of his weakness. Let's see how his ZvT improves in this tournament. He wouldn't have won GSL II or III because he lost in March?
No, because he's bad against Kroean Terrans.
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On March 02 2019 03:13 Akio wrote:
Kinda late but just checked the results and INno beat Serral in the bo3? Feels like such a waste because he doesn't advance...
Now TY is my last hope, Taeyang take my energy!
He was down 0-1 and then he turned the series around in 90 minutes for the grand prize of 200 dollars. And probably getting his Liquipedia entry to say he ended the longest offline winstreak in SC2 history.
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On March 02 2019 03:16 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 03:13 Akio wrote:
Kinda late but just checked the results and INno beat Serral in the bo3? Feels like such a waste because he doesn't advance...
Now TY is my last hope, Taeyang take my energy! He was down 0-1 and then he turned the series around in 90 minutes for the grand prize of 200 dollars. And probably getting his Liquipedia entry to say he ended the longest offline winstreak in SC2 history.
I'm glad his winstreak was ended by the GOAT.
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I feel like this is going to be a good game. Both setting up to three bases and both tend to be pretty aggressive.
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On March 02 2019 03:15 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 03:13 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 03:06 deacon.frost wrote:On March 02 2019 03:04 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 03:01 deacon.frost wrote:On March 02 2019 02:59 Nakajin wrote:On March 02 2019 02:59 WickedBit wrote:On March 02 2019 02:49 GoloSC2 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:47 Charoisaur wrote:On March 02 2019 02:45 Pandain wrote:
Did Serral Innovation really throw off the schedule that much? Seemed like all three streams were continually playing something but now there's always one series that is late.
They should just start the other games.
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fixed it for you Nope, very unlikely with Maru playing there maru lost to serral at gsl vs world, so i don't think it would have been very unlikely No he lost to stats. They didn’t face each other . He was talking about the bo1 team competition Serral lost to Maru 0:3 in the only offline BO3+ game they played the last year. Thus proving that Serral wouldn't have won. He lost to slumping Innovation today to prove this. Q.E.D. That's frankly ridicolous, shape isn't constant throughout the year. It doesn't prove anything other than Maru being stronger than Serral at WESG. It's not. Serral wouldn't have won Code S because of his weakness. Let's see how his ZvT improves in this tournament. He wouldn't have won GSL II or III because he lost in March? No, because he's bad against Kroean Terrans.
So bad he won against Maru, Inno, Bunny, Taeja, Bunny, Inno and Gumiho before losing today.
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