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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-01 18:06:12
March 01 2019 18:05 GMT
#1541
Production has been so smooth all week but now we have only a single match running. Innovation late game ruined Katowice
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4044 Posts
March 01 2019 18:05 GMT
#1542
On March 02 2019 03:02 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 03:01 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:59 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:57 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:49 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:47 travis wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:40 Elentos wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:39 travis wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:38 Nakajin wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:37 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
[quote]

Explain to me, how its easier. Really.

Take months/years having a visa (ok sorry can't stay out of it)


okay but for GSL you have to live there for months..

You have to live there for at most 3 months. TRUE and Ragnarok's visa processes went over 9 months.


I don't think you guys get the point. You think it's easy for most people to leave their family and move to a foreign country where they don't speak the language for months at a time?

As opposed to... flying to a tournament for a weekend or a week?


And yet pro athletes do it every year.

If Blizzard really cared about making their game actually as competitive as it should be, they would make this happen, they would offer Serral enough to make it happen.

At this point Serral is guaranteed a massive check from Blizzard every year anyway, why not make it official and get him to play where he's actually going to be challenged because lord knows that isn't gonna happen in WCS.


Dude

1. very little percentage of pro-athletes do it
2. those who do it - it was their dream from the moment they picked up their sport
3. those athletes that come to a different country to work - they really get a very good contract with sweet living conditions. You can google this.
4. Some of those athletes then go back home literally to repair their well being.
5. Its good for you to start saying that its Blizzard (or any other organization for what its worth) give it a try.
6. If i was Serral i woulnd't even consider GSL if i wasnt treated as a rock start on tour. Seriously. But im not Serral so let's see what happens.

and yet Scarlett, Special, Neeb, Elazer, Ptitdrogo, SortOf and even 16 year old Reynor did it.


Perfect. Ask them if they were "forced" to do it, or it was their dream/intention to do it.

??? why would they be "forced" to do it?


well a couple of dudes here are asking Serral to pack his bags and go live in Korea. This is really strange isn't it?
Also they are asking him not to participate in high-dollar events where Maru loses before meeting him. So it really becomes a very hard environment to operate lol. Some crazy things happening!
Drone is a way of living
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-01 18:06:41
March 01 2019 18:05 GMT
#1543
Somewhere, Serral is completely unaware of the raging debates between his fanatical fans and the koreaboos. One day, someone will tell him and a small, toothless smile would cross his lips, and he would say "what memers", before immediately forgetting and going on to win another tournament.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
March 01 2019 18:05 GMT
#1544
On March 02 2019 03:04 Nakajin wrote:
Bunny macro seemed kind of bad

Quite frankly it's impressive he didn't leave 12 minutes ago.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
March 01 2019 18:05 GMT
#1545
LOL. "if this was a risk game he would have Asia" - Incontrol.

Bunny's macro not looking sharp this game.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-01 18:08:53
March 01 2019 18:06 GMT
#1546
so if my calculations are correct
Ro 12 should be:

Zest vs the 3rd place of Group D
Neeb vs Ragnarok
herO vs the 2nd place of Group D
Trap vs Solar

Ro8 should be:

Winner of Zest vs the 3rd place of Group D vs Dark
Winenr of Neeb vs Ragnarok vs first place of Group D (probably TY)
Winner of herO vs the 2nd place of Group D vs Serral
Winner of Trap vs Solar vs Stats
Faker is the GOAT!
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
March 01 2019 18:06 GMT
#1547
On March 02 2019 03:04 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 03:01 deacon.frost wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:59 Nakajin wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:59 WickedBit wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:49 GoloSC2 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:47 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:45 Pandain wrote:
Did Serral Innovation really throw off the schedule that much? Seemed like all three streams were continually playing something but now there's always one series that is late.

They should just start the other games.
On March 02 2019 02:45 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:44 Xain0n wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:17 Poopi wrote:
[quote]
But what would have happened if he entered GSL during these ten month? that's why 10 months doesn't mean as much as you think it means


With his GSL vs the World or Blizzcon's level, he would have won it. His streak would have probably been less impressive tho

He probably would have won it

fixed it for you

Nope, very unlikely with Maru playing there


maru lost to serral at gsl vs world, so i don't think it would have been very unlikely


No he lost to stats. They didn’t face each other .

He was talking about the bo1 team competition

Serral lost to Maru 0:3 in the only offline BO3+ game they played the last year. Thus proving that Serral wouldn't have won. He lost to slumping Innovation today to prove this. Q.E.D.


That's frankly ridicolous, shape isn't constant throughout the year. It doesn't prove anything other than Maru being stronger than Serral at WESG.

It's not. Serral wouldn't have won Code S because of his weakness. Let's see how his ZvT improves in this tournament.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
March 01 2019 18:06 GMT
#1548
EUROPEEEEEE UTHERMALLLL HYPEE
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
March 01 2019 18:07 GMT
#1549
Man Bunnys macro is so bad, can't even beat 70 scvs with 40.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
March 01 2019 18:07 GMT
#1550
On March 02 2019 03:05 dysenterymd wrote:
Somewhere, Serral is completely unaware of the raging debates between his fanatical fans of and the koreaboos. One day, someone will tell him and a small, toothless smile would cross his lips, and he would say "what memers", before immediately forgetting and going on to win another tournament.


You're naive if you don't think that athletes especially in the era of social media are not very aware of what people are saying about them.

Serral has liked at least 4 of my tweets about him from last year's IEM. I know for a fact he hears what people say about him.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2520 Posts
March 01 2019 18:07 GMT
#1551
On March 02 2019 03:05 sneakyfox wrote:
Production has been so smooth all week but now we have only a single match running. Innovation late game ruined Katowice


Technically it was Serral, he could've gg'd way earlier.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-01 18:08:03
March 01 2019 18:07 GMT
#1552
On March 02 2019 03:07 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 03:05 dysenterymd wrote:
Somewhere, Serral is completely unaware of the raging debates between his fanatical fans of and the koreaboos. One day, someone will tell him and a small, toothless smile would cross his lips, and he would say "what memers", before immediately forgetting and going on to win another tournament.


You're naive if you don't think that athletes especially in the era of social media are not very aware of what people are saying about them.

Serral has liked at least 4 of my tweets about him from last year's IEM. I know for a fact he hears what people say about him.

Serral is a bot. He has liking and retweeting programmed in.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-01 18:08:13
March 01 2019 18:07 GMT
#1553
On March 02 2019 03:07 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 03:05 dysenterymd wrote:
Somewhere, Serral is completely unaware of the raging debates between his fanatical fans of and the koreaboos. One day, someone will tell him and a small, toothless smile would cross his lips, and he would say "what memers", before immediately forgetting and going on to win another tournament.


You're naive if you don't think that athletes especially in the era of social media are not very aware of what people are saying about them.

Serral has liked at least 4 of my tweets about him from last year's IEM. I know for a fact he hears what people say about him.


For sure, I just doubt he cares.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
March 01 2019 18:07 GMT
#1554
On March 02 2019 03:05 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 03:02 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 02 2019 03:01 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:59 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:57 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:49 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:47 travis wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:40 Elentos wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:39 travis wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:38 Nakajin wrote:
[quote]
Take months/years having a visa (ok sorry can't stay out of it)


okay but for GSL you have to live there for months..

You have to live there for at most 3 months. TRUE and Ragnarok's visa processes went over 9 months.


I don't think you guys get the point. You think it's easy for most people to leave their family and move to a foreign country where they don't speak the language for months at a time?

As opposed to... flying to a tournament for a weekend or a week?


And yet pro athletes do it every year.

If Blizzard really cared about making their game actually as competitive as it should be, they would make this happen, they would offer Serral enough to make it happen.

At this point Serral is guaranteed a massive check from Blizzard every year anyway, why not make it official and get him to play where he's actually going to be challenged because lord knows that isn't gonna happen in WCS.


Dude

1. very little percentage of pro-athletes do it
2. those who do it - it was their dream from the moment they picked up their sport
3. those athletes that come to a different country to work - they really get a very good contract with sweet living conditions. You can google this.
4. Some of those athletes then go back home literally to repair their well being.
5. Its good for you to start saying that its Blizzard (or any other organization for what its worth) give it a try.
6. If i was Serral i woulnd't even consider GSL if i wasnt treated as a rock start on tour. Seriously. But im not Serral so let's see what happens.

and yet Scarlett, Special, Neeb, Elazer, Ptitdrogo, SortOf and even 16 year old Reynor did it.


Perfect. Ask them if they were "forced" to do it, or it was their dream/intention to do it.

??? why would they be "forced" to do it?


well a couple of dudes here are asking Serral to pack his bags and go live in Korea. This is really strange isn't it?
Also they are asking him not to participate in high-dollar events where Maru loses before meeting him. So it really becomes a very hard environment to operate lol. Some crazy things happening!

As you obviously missed my reply, nobody is asking him or forcing him. All we say - it's easier for him to do so as Blizzard forces less rules on him. And as was pointed out, he can fly there, play games, fly home. Koreans can't do this.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
March 01 2019 18:07 GMT
#1555
On March 02 2019 03:07 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 03:05 dysenterymd wrote:
Somewhere, Serral is completely unaware of the raging debates between his fanatical fans of and the koreaboos. One day, someone will tell him and a small, toothless smile would cross his lips, and he would say "what memers", before immediately forgetting and going on to win another tournament.


You're naive if you don't think that athletes especially in the era of social media are not very aware of what people are saying about them.

Serral has liked at least 4 of my tweets about him from last year's IEM. I know for a fact he hears what people say about him.


plus he has already commented on him going to GSL or not several times
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28521 Posts
March 01 2019 18:08 GMT
#1556
legohead vs head-on-chin go
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16057 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-01 18:08:36
March 01 2019 18:08 GMT
#1557
On March 02 2019 03:04 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 03:01 deacon.frost wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:59 Nakajin wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:59 WickedBit wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:49 GoloSC2 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:47 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:45 Pandain wrote:
Did Serral Innovation really throw off the schedule that much? Seemed like all three streams were continually playing something but now there's always one series that is late.

They should just start the other games.
On March 02 2019 02:45 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:44 Xain0n wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:17 Poopi wrote:
[quote]
But what would have happened if he entered GSL during these ten month? that's why 10 months doesn't mean as much as you think it means


With his GSL vs the World or Blizzcon's level, he would have won it. His streak would have probably been less impressive tho

He probably would have won it

fixed it for you

Nope, very unlikely with Maru playing there


maru lost to serral at gsl vs world, so i don't think it would have been very unlikely


No he lost to stats. They didn’t face each other .

He was talking about the bo1 team competition

Serral lost to Maru 0:3 in the only offline BO3+ game they played the last year. Thus proving that Serral wouldn't have won. He lost to slumping Innovation today to prove this. Q.E.D.


That's frankly ridicolous, shape isn't constant throughout the year. It doesn't prove anything other than Maru being stronger than Serral at WESG.

Agreed - shape isn't constant. So all we know is that Serral was the best at the time GSL vs the World and Blizzcon was happening but no idea how good he was at the rest of the year. Thus we have no idea how he would've performed in GSL.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
March 01 2019 18:08 GMT
#1558
On March 02 2019 03:07 DBooN wrote:
Man Bunnys macro is so bad, can't even beat 70 scvs with 40.


I really don't get why he didn't rebuild scv, he looked so much better than UT in the rest of the game
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
March 01 2019 18:08 GMT
#1559
On March 02 2019 03:07 JoeCool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 03:05 sneakyfox wrote:
Production has been so smooth all week but now we have only a single match running. Innovation late game ruined Katowice


Technically it was Serral, he could've gg'd way earlier.

Yeah he was in it for a long time both games but then he was down 50+ supply for a total of like 15 minutes across games.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
March 01 2019 18:10 GMT
#1560
On March 02 2019 03:08 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 03:07 DBooN wrote:
Man Bunnys macro is so bad, can't even beat 70 scvs with 40.


I really don't get why he didn't rebuild scv, he looked so much better than UT in the rest of the game

He lost 20 SCVs in the early game. I don't think he really believed he could win the game from that point by focusing on getting to 70 workers.
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