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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28521 Posts
March 01 2019 18:20 GMT
#1581
it's called aiming to go full foreigner Geoff
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
March 01 2019 18:20 GMT
#1582
On March 02 2019 03:14 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 03:13 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 02 2019 03:11 Xain0n wrote:
On March 02 2019 03:02 deacon.frost wrote:
On March 02 2019 03:01 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:59 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:57 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:49 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:47 travis wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:40 Elentos wrote:
[quote]
You have to live there for at most 3 months. TRUE and Ragnarok's visa processes went over 9 months.


I don't think you guys get the point. You think it's easy for most people to leave their family and move to a foreign country where they don't speak the language for months at a time?

As opposed to... flying to a tournament for a weekend or a week?


And yet pro athletes do it every year.

If Blizzard really cared about making their game actually as competitive as it should be, they would make this happen, they would offer Serral enough to make it happen.

At this point Serral is guaranteed a massive check from Blizzard every year anyway, why not make it official and get him to play where he's actually going to be challenged because lord knows that isn't gonna happen in WCS.


Dude

1. very little percentage of pro-athletes do it
2. those who do it - it was their dream from the moment they picked up their sport
3. those athletes that come to a different country to work - they really get a very good contract with sweet living conditions. You can google this.
4. Some of those athletes then go back home literally to repair their well being.
5. Its good for you to start saying that its Blizzard (or any other organization for what its worth) give it a try.
6. If i was Serral i woulnd't even consider GSL if i wasnt treated as a rock start on tour. Seriously. But im not Serral so let's see what happens.

and yet Scarlett, Special, Neeb, Elazer, Ptitdrogo, SortOf and even 16 year old Reynor did it.


Perfect. Ask them if they were "forced" to do it, or it was their dream/intention to do it.

No one is forcing Serral, it's just an argument about him being the best and avoiding the best competition. It's easier for him? It is. Is he avoiding Korea? He is. Is that something bad? It's not, it's his free decision. But somehow his fans are super salty when anybody mentions this I wonder why.

On March 02 2019 03:02 Xain0n wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:52 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:49 Xain0n wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:22 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:17 RaFox17 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:11 Vindicare605 wrote:
[quote]

Thank you! not even Mvp was ever able to sweep an entire year's worth of seasons. No one ever has. What Maru did last year was unprecedented in SC2 and he did it at the highest level in a tournament that wasn't locked to anyone.

Serral can't claim that. He's a super skilled player whose legacy has been inflated thanks to the dumb system that WCS is using. I hate it, and I will not shut up about it until it changes.

There is no way to say objectively which one had more impressive year. I think Serral deserved the player of the year award because he won GSL vs. the world and Blizzcon. Also using an argument that depends on a person not being able to imagine something is quite questionable


Let's not mince words here. Serral won the "player of the year award" (who even gave that site the right to decide anything) because he was the first non-Korean to win a top tier tournament in a game that has been dominated by Koreans over the last 20 years.

He won because of his ethnic origin. If he was a Korean player that award would have gone to a different player playing a different game.

On one hand, I get that and I can even appreciate it. On the other hand, Blizzard has been manipulating the system in their game to make it easier and easier for this result to happen. I'm not OK with that. It diminishes the accomplishments of top tier foreigners like Stephano and it inflates the results of people that are legitimately awesome like Serral.

I want this shit fair, and I want Serral to win fair and square. I want more tournaments like IEM and fewer like WCS and Blizzcon.


You are clueless if you think Serral was crowned best player in the world only because he is not korean; I would actually say it's more impressive as people here value Code S so immensely and he didn't get to play them.

People used to value Code S highly here. Since the Serral hype Code S is often completely dismissed because it doesn't fit the narrative that Serral was by far the best and most dominating player of the year.


Code S still is way superior to WCS but you guys all seem to think it's slightly better than a Major; the achievement argument can't be solved just because of that.

Serral may very well be weaker against Terran but wasn't Maru very vulnerable to Protoss? It's not like every single tournament there are the best possible pairings, upsets happened to everyone but Serral.
He won and that's all that's counts.

Maru had beaten several good Protoss players(and Zest ) to:
1) Achieve Code S title
2) To get to the Code S finals

C'mon. You need to get better, because Serral magically avoided Maru and TY the whole 2018.


And he lost against Classic, Stats and sOs to get out of every single weekender during the year.
Inno didn't defeat himself at HSC.

So, in your opinion, every single player who won a tournament without facing the supposedly best player in the world in that moment didn't really earn his titles?

I think you forgot about one weekender :O

That weekender doesnt exist for Serral fanboys


I mentioned the one he won multiple times before -.-
If anything, I forgot one that he lost against Zerg.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
March 01 2019 18:21 GMT
#1583
Bunny with the plat 2 drop
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8306 Posts
March 01 2019 18:21 GMT
#1584
That wasn't a doom drop.
That was a suicide drop.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
March 01 2019 18:21 GMT
#1585
On March 02 2019 03:19 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 03:15 deacon.frost wrote:
On March 02 2019 03:13 Xain0n wrote:
On March 02 2019 03:06 deacon.frost wrote:
On March 02 2019 03:04 Xain0n wrote:
On March 02 2019 03:01 deacon.frost wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:59 Nakajin wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:59 WickedBit wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:49 GoloSC2 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:47 Charoisaur wrote:
[quote]
Nope, very unlikely with Maru playing there


maru lost to serral at gsl vs world, so i don't think it would have been very unlikely


No he lost to stats. They didn’t face each other .

He was talking about the bo1 team competition

Serral lost to Maru 0:3 in the only offline BO3+ game they played the last year. Thus proving that Serral wouldn't have won. He lost to slumping Innovation today to prove this. Q.E.D.


That's frankly ridicolous, shape isn't constant throughout the year. It doesn't prove anything other than Maru being stronger than Serral at WESG.

It's not. Serral wouldn't have won Code S because of his weakness. Let's see how his ZvT improves in this tournament.


He wouldn't have won GSL II or III because he lost in March?

No, because he's bad against Kroean Terrans.


So bad he won against Maru, Inno, Bunny, Taeja, Bunny, Inno and Gumiho before losing today.

The 2 best Korean Terrans were Maru and TY. He didn't play a BO3 or longer series offline against them in 2018 except the loss against Maru. Deal with it. Oh noez, he won against slumping Innovation, Taeja, who's a shadow of his former himself(similarly to Inno), he beat Bunny who's the bestest Korean Terran everest and wona BO1 against Maru. YAY. So banjo.

Try more, he lost even to bad Innovation today. That's how good he is.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
March 01 2019 18:22 GMT
#1586
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Back at the venue after some pizza and beer. I love Poland, stuff is so cheap .
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
March 01 2019 18:22 GMT
#1587
Why does uThermal not have a fourth coming? He's putting himself into having to do damage.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
March 01 2019 18:23 GMT
#1588
On March 02 2019 03:22 Musicus wrote:
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Back at the venue after some pizza and beer. I love Poland, stuff is so cheap .


I've heard marvelous stories about how cheap beer is in eastern EU.

Cheers. I'm sipping some Mexican beer right now myself.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
uummpaa
Profile Joined July 2018
238 Posts
March 01 2019 18:23 GMT
#1589
the sensor tower minigame goes to bunny
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
March 01 2019 18:24 GMT
#1590
On March 02 2019 03:21 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 03:19 Xain0n wrote:
On March 02 2019 03:15 deacon.frost wrote:
On March 02 2019 03:13 Xain0n wrote:
On March 02 2019 03:06 deacon.frost wrote:
On March 02 2019 03:04 Xain0n wrote:
On March 02 2019 03:01 deacon.frost wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:59 Nakajin wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:59 WickedBit wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:49 GoloSC2 wrote:
[quote]

maru lost to serral at gsl vs world, so i don't think it would have been very unlikely


No he lost to stats. They didn’t face each other .

He was talking about the bo1 team competition

Serral lost to Maru 0:3 in the only offline BO3+ game they played the last year. Thus proving that Serral wouldn't have won. He lost to slumping Innovation today to prove this. Q.E.D.


That's frankly ridicolous, shape isn't constant throughout the year. It doesn't prove anything other than Maru being stronger than Serral at WESG.

It's not. Serral wouldn't have won Code S because of his weakness. Let's see how his ZvT improves in this tournament.


He wouldn't have won GSL II or III because he lost in March?

No, because he's bad against Kroean Terrans.


So bad he won against Maru, Inno, Bunny, Taeja, Bunny, Inno and Gumiho before losing today.

The 2 best Korean Terrans were Maru and TY. He didn't play a BO3 or longer series offline against them in 2018 except the loss against Maru. Deal with it. Oh noez, he won against slumping Innovation, Taeja, who's a shadow of his former himself(similarly to Inno), he beat Bunny who's the bestest Korean Terran everest and wona BO1 against Maru. YAY. So banjo.

Try more, he lost even to bad Innovation today. That's how good he is.


You are the one who has to deal with the fact Serral won all the tournaments he played since April last year.
He dropped a series against Inno after ten months being undefeated and advanced as first in his "group of death". That's how good he is.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
March 01 2019 18:24 GMT
#1591
god I love TvT. Best mirror dont @ me.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
March 01 2019 18:26 GMT
#1592
On March 02 2019 03:24 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 03:21 deacon.frost wrote:
On March 02 2019 03:19 Xain0n wrote:
On March 02 2019 03:15 deacon.frost wrote:
On March 02 2019 03:13 Xain0n wrote:
On March 02 2019 03:06 deacon.frost wrote:
On March 02 2019 03:04 Xain0n wrote:
On March 02 2019 03:01 deacon.frost wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:59 Nakajin wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:59 WickedBit wrote:
[quote]

No he lost to stats. They didn’t face each other .

He was talking about the bo1 team competition

Serral lost to Maru 0:3 in the only offline BO3+ game they played the last year. Thus proving that Serral wouldn't have won. He lost to slumping Innovation today to prove this. Q.E.D.


That's frankly ridicolous, shape isn't constant throughout the year. It doesn't prove anything other than Maru being stronger than Serral at WESG.

It's not. Serral wouldn't have won Code S because of his weakness. Let's see how his ZvT improves in this tournament.


He wouldn't have won GSL II or III because he lost in March?

No, because he's bad against Kroean Terrans.


So bad he won against Maru, Inno, Bunny, Taeja, Bunny, Inno and Gumiho before losing today.

The 2 best Korean Terrans were Maru and TY. He didn't play a BO3 or longer series offline against them in 2018 except the loss against Maru. Deal with it. Oh noez, he won against slumping Innovation, Taeja, who's a shadow of his former himself(similarly to Inno), he beat Bunny who's the bestest Korean Terran everest and wona BO1 against Maru. YAY. So banjo.

Try more, he lost even to bad Innovation today. That's how good he is.


You are the one who has to deal with the fact Serral won all the tournaments he played since April last year.
He dropped a series against Inno after ten months being undefeated and advanced as first in his "group of death". That's how good he is.

I'm fine with that, he didn't win a single Code S title while Maru won 3 in a row. Deal with it. I don't care about foreigner tournaments as long as WCS will be racist.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2520 Posts
March 01 2019 18:27 GMT
#1593
On March 02 2019 03:24 Vindicare605 wrote:
god I love TvT. Best mirror dont @ me.


Never thought I'd say that but I enjoy high level ZvZ the most.
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
March 01 2019 18:27 GMT
#1594
Oh, I think Uthermal just died.
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
March 01 2019 18:27 GMT
#1595
BUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
March 01 2019 18:27 GMT
#1596
On March 02 2019 03:24 Vindicare605 wrote:
god I love TvT. Best mirror dont @ me.

doom drops suck
Neosteel Enthusiast
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
March 01 2019 18:27 GMT
#1597
Checkmate.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
March 01 2019 18:28 GMT
#1598
SO many maphack turrets and yet a doom drop Love that
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
March 01 2019 18:28 GMT
#1599
I want to see the replay to know if Bunny scan the main or just yolo it
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
March 01 2019 18:28 GMT
#1600
TvT>PvP>ZvZ but thats just my bias on which races I enjoy playing
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